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charlene91Re: all claim owners beware
HI YOU ALL ..THE FALLING OUT WITH THE MT BOYS ..WHEN THEY HIRED ME I TOLD THEM BEING A DISABLED COMBAT VET AND GETTING VA MONEY .I HAD TO GET CASH OR GOLD AND THEY UNDERSTANDED THAT AND THE PARTNER THAT I TALKED WITH SAID OK ..AND AFTER WORKING TWO MONTHS ANOTHER PARTNER TOLD ME I HAD TO GO ON THE BOOKS IF I WANTED TO WORK FOR THEM ANY MORE THERE IS MORE ..THE REASON FOR ME WRITTING ALL OF THIS IS TO WARN OTHER ALASKA MINERS THESE PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE ANY HONOR OR RESPECT OTHER PEOPLES STUFF WHILE GETTING THINGS READY TO MINE THERE THEY HAD ME DISTROY AND BURIED STUFF THAT BELONGED TO THE CLAIM OWNER..AND THEY ALSO DID THE SAME .. WHO I HELPED FOR FIVE YEARS ..I AM TELLING THIS EVEN KNOWING THAT THEY WILL FILE CHARGES ON ME FOR BULL ...TO STOP ME FROM TELLING OTHER ALASKAS ABOUT ME LIKE I SAID THERE ARE THREE PARTNERS AND I REMEMBER THE CLAIM OWNER SAID TO ME THAT THERE THIS TOO MANY BOSSES IN THE PARTNERSHIP..SO IF I END UP IN JAIL OR IF MY VA BENFITS END YOU WILL ALL KNOW WHO ..LIKE I SAID CLAIM OWNER BEWARE
geowizardRe: all claim owners beware

"There are two sides to each story. Charlene has not given the reason he had a falling out the the MT boys. I as claim owner am satisfied with the MT people.

Ray "



Ray,

I didn't actually serve in Vietnam. However, I am classified as a Vietnam-Era Veteran. Charlene fought along side of other Americans in a conflict which we did not choose. Many of those Americans died in the process of protecting your freedom.

Many Vietnam Vets returned with a mental disorder worse than having died, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD).

I am not a practicing Psychologist. You don't have to have a degree in Psychology to know and understand that many of our brothers and sisters may have a recognizable psychological disorder. One disorder is called Gender Identity Disorder. You need to learn about these things and understand that in the world around us, there are human beings that have disorders that they are not able to control and they must live with every day.

- Geowizard
geowizardRe: all claim owners beware
Ray,

The issue is destruction of personal property.

You may "own a mining claim". The surface is owned by the State of Alaska. If a mining claimant has an issue with a cabin or other fixtures, that is a matter between the State of Alaska and the owner of that cabin.

Example: I have mining claims that have a privately owned cabin within the boundaries of the claims. I don't own the cabin because I own the claims. Therefore, if I take any action to destroy the cabin for any reason, the owner may collect damages for the destruction of their cabin. Destruction of private property is a crime. Charlene has every right to obtain a judgement for destruction of private property including the contents of the cabin.

MSHA trainers do not have authority to condem a cabin as unsafe or unfit. Many cabins in Alaska may not meet code or professional building standards. I may not agree with the house-keeping standards of another person, how-ever, that person has a right to establish their own requirement of what constitutes "good house-keeping".

- Geowizard
NanooktooRe: all claim owners beware
There are two sides to each story. Charlene has not given the reason he had a falling out the the MT boys. I as claim owner am satisfied with the MT people.

Ray
geowizardRe: all claim owners beware
Jim,

That's right. This apparently is a "commercial" mining operation. MSHA has defined a commercial mining operation as any mining operation that sells gold or any other metal/mineral or sand and gravel commodity onto the open market. I can provide a reference to that if you need more information.

Again, it's my opinion that MSHA wants get more control of ALL mining activities. The regulatory compliance side of mining has become the reason many mining companies are not able to operate and/or unable to obtain financial backing.

- Geowizard
Jim_AlaskaRe: all claim owners beware
It is my limited understanding that MSHA usually only applies to hardrock, or placer mines that disturb a given amount of acreage, or move a specified amount of tonnage.

So, small scale mines and miners don't fall under MSHA.
geowizardRe: all claim owners beware

An MSHA trainer doesn't have any more authority than anyone else. They have authority to provide training. If they abuse their authority as a trainer to intimidate or destroy personal property, then the MSHA office should be notified of the abuse.

Destruction of personal property is a crime. In Alaska, you can take the people responsible for damages to small claims court. A judge will hear your case and could award repayment for the damages.

- Geowizard
charlene91Re: all claim owners beware
lipca m s h a didnot do this but the mt boys are so afaint of msha and they know and use their knowledge of msha and 2 of the partners are msha trainers so they use the system to fatten their wallets
geowizardRe: all claim owners beware

I remain with Charlene on this one. It looks to me like a conflict of interest between recreational mining and commercial mining. Mining partners sometimes disagree on the objective. Partnerships can have a conflict when one or the other decides that a different course or direction in the mining should take place. That has always been a problem with "mining partners".

Dig here? No, Dig there!

I want to lease the mine, and No, we're not leasing the mine!

Our president has through the Department of Labor, given MSHA a greater enforcement role. Through the process of "inspection" and the mining company's failure to "comply", a revenue source is realized for a cash strapped government. Si?

MSHA has come down hard on recreational mining activities on "commercial" mining properties. Are recreational miners subject to regulation under MSHA?

YES, if...

IF recreational mining can be construed as being related to or a part of the commercial mining activity in any way,

then... the "activity" COULD be construed by an MSHA inspector as being subject to MSHA regulation.

The "GOOD OLD DAYS" are GONE!

THIS is the problem with mining and many other businesses today, in the USA.

And Charlene, unfortunately, is right.

- Geowizard


LipCaRe: all claim owners beware
So, MSHA did this?

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