They're Trying to take All Our Lands Away
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cowboy444
02:42:11 Thu
Oct 11 2012
They're Trying to take All Our Lands Away
This is from a very reliable, retired government person, who personally informed us of an impending Bill. This Bill will affect all Americans around January 17th, 2013. It is the 2012-2013 Department of the Interior Appropriations Bill. They do not want any of the public to know about this because it will take all public lands out of the 1800ís Mining Law, which is ILLEGAL, and rumor is sell the land to the Chinese and other countries. Just so everyone knows, itís not just mining rights. When they take public lands they get mineral rights, water rights, grazing rights, off-roading rights, fishing rights, hiking rights, logging rights, we lose all of this. It will be in a disguise of 2 paragraphs buried in a Bill as a Rider, that has nothing to do with the Bill it is attached to. Both sides of the House have already approved it. Yes, Democrats and Republicans. It is all a part of Population Stabilization, which is another word for UN Agenda 21. Very bad for all Americans. We are a small mining company trying to create jobs in California. There are immediate, high paying, long-term jobs that could be created if the government doesnít take away our mining rights under the 1800ís mining law. We think we found how they are going to do it in this document - Department of the Interior Appropriations Bill. This document is the one they want you to find but it is not the truth and is bad enough as is.

Already penned from both sides of the house, Republicans as well as Democrats, agreed on 2 small paragraphs of law, which already has enough votes, taking our public lands out of the 1800ís mining law. OK you say who cares. Just think about what is mined. If you were not allowed to use anything that was mined for one day. You could not drive anywhere. You could not get medical help. You could not cook. You could not do anything nor get anything except going to a tree or plant and physically pull the food off and eat it. That is it. If itís not mined itís grown.

The government figured that around the 17th of January 2013, (Lame duck session time) that, ďThe stars should finally be aligned,Ē to sneak a law into a Bill that the public will never know about like they tried to do, in 2004 with only 2 paragraphs and of late, Obama Care. Obama Care is nothing to this. Anyways there are hidden committees under the government Czars committees that none of us voted for, of which they will sneak the new law in and take the public lands out of the 1800ís mining law, then turn it into leased land. Ok doesnít sound to bad except they just took away our rights that America was built on and they are not going to lease it back because no American would trust the government to work the land as they could take it away anytime they want without cause. So the plan is to sell/lease the public lands to other governments that we owe or that deals have been struck to settle some of our debt. Contact every politician you know, to let them know, they better retract their votes on the Lame Duck session Bill January 2012-2013 Department of the Interior Appropriations Bill and start trying to help the United States citizen.

I would like to preface, I and we all would love renewable energy, but the D.R.E.C.P. is not that. Californianís you need to kill The Desert Renewable Energy Conservation Program (D.R.E.C.P.). It is a lie to take the land back with a deal cut between California and the government. The government wants to make sure it gets the land one way or another, so the government has many programs to insure they get the land back. This is one of those lies. When you read this, read between the lines as any government and California document/Bill. Look at the collaborative group effort on the first page. Every government entity you CANNOT TRUST. The Renewable Energy action Team.

People this is real. We need to stop it immediately. Please let all your politicians from the ground up to Washington DC know that we know and are not going to take it. The Bureau of Land Management is fuming. Yes they lose their jobs because they wonít be managing our lands and this is illegal. The government Czars committees are going to form new management groups since it will not be considered public lands any more. The public will not be able to have any say at all. Currently, the government is focusing on other ways of seizing public lands like in Idaho, Montana, California and other states, under Eminent Domain, Endangered Spieces Act or other ways as hidden agenda Bills. In California mining areas, the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) has personnally told us face-to-face that we are being pulled out of the 1800ís mining law. The Government is focusing on heavy public land areas first. (West Coast) See the public-land acreage list. Most of the public lands are on the western part of the United States. Except it affects everyone.

This is real and going to happen if we do not ban together and let our politicians know, ďWe are not going to take it anymore!Ē
There are 2 petitions to sign because they are going to 2 different places.

1: Please sign this petition(s) to stop the illegal actions of repealing the 1800's Mining Law.

2: For Californian's please sign this petition to stop taking our public lands and create long term high paying mining jobs in California.

After you have signed these 2 petitions, please get your city officials involved with http://americanstewards.us/ who teach the cities, counties or organizations to fight the government and win.


We are going to get screwed by our government again if we do not stop them. Call and email all the Senators, Congressmen/women, Supervisors, Governors at http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml then let your Mayors, Council members, friends and relatives know they better fight now. We have less than 4 months before the Lame Duck sessions start. And vote against Population Stabilization. Another name for UN Agenda 21 and away to take our rights.



overtheedge
05:06:08 Thu
Oct 11 2012
Re: They're Trying to take All Our Lands Away
I found HR2584, The Dept of Interior Appropriations bill, after wading through 1000 searched bills.

There are a couple of items in the 160 pages.
Placer association claims.
On page 141, there is AZ withdrawal stuff in accordance with PLO 7773.

Maybe I'm a bit confused. How about more info on this doom and gloom bill that your reliable ex-gov't buddy exposed? A bill number would be right handy.

Either the bill exists or it is nonsense that will just get people up at arms. ALL the bills are in the Congressional Record.
eric

geowizard
16:38:18 Thu
Oct 11 2012
Re: They're Trying to take All Our Lands Away

There can be no "Taking" of land.

The point is that rule making goes through a process. The process includes a "Notice of Proposed Rule Making" (NPRM).

The NPRM is published in the Federal Register. You can look it up. You can read it for yourself.

A period of time is allowed for "public comment" and a point of contact is established for public comments.

That's where the voice of the people is heard.

- Geowizard

Jim_Alaska
17:04:44 Thu
Oct 11 2012
Re: They're Trying to take All Our Lands Away
In response to the idea that there can be no taking of land, I would like to point out that the powers that be have come up with a new twist. They are doing this right now in California and Oregon.

geowiz is right in his assertion. But to get around this process the agencies will issue an agency "order", which is an agency function. We are addressing the legality of this situation right now in Oregon courts.

Rule making is a very exacting process designed to keep regulations from "taking" property rights, but an agency "order" is what is initiated to get around this process. In this instance there is no "voice of the people".

overtheedge
17:30:07 Thu
Oct 11 2012
Re: They're Trying to take All Our Lands Away
During my search of legislation, there was a bill to add to the Rogue River Wild and Scenic River area.

I would ask that any reports of onerous legislation at least come with the bill number. Perhaps a link, eh.
eric

geowizard
19:54:35 Thu
Oct 11 2012
Re: They're Trying to take All Our Lands Away
Jim,

I understand that BLM land "managers" and Forest "Service" providers have a probable agenda that includes limiting access to certain lands.

The question is "what" is the better use and "who" should be making the decisions. Is there a deeper, darker agenda to control our population and/or make us subserviant to another country or world order?

Who is driving "the agenda" and why? Is it a conspiracy theory or do we need to be more sensitive to the needs of others?

- Geowizard



Jim_Alaska
03:13:47 Fri
Oct 12 2012
Re: They're Trying to take All Our Lands Away
That's a good question Wiz, but one that may have a very complicated answer.

I'll try to briefly answer based on the premise that you are talking about Public Land. or land that is commonly referred to as federal land.

The answer to what is the better use and who should be making the decisions has already been put into law.

In the 1866 mining law, later revised in 1872, the Congress of the United States virtually disposed of the Public Lands designated as Public Domain. The United States government now holds these lands in trust for any individual that wants to prospect or mine these lands. This was enacted by the 39th Congress and carries the bill number H.R. 365.

By this act, the congress of the United States declares that the mining of our mineral resources is the highest use of the unappropriated Public Land.

Since it is congress that made this decision and the Sovereignty Act declares its power to do so, we have the answer to the question of who should be making the decisions also.

Once I step foot on unappropriated public land with the intention of prospecting or mining, that land is virtually removed from the status of Public land, and falls under the classification of Public Domain.

By my act of filing a claim I have removed this land from all public use and it becomes private property in every sense of the term. The claim does not have to be a patented claim, it can apply to unpatented claims also. This has been affirmed in courts of law, which have recognized that my legal right to this claim is as good as if it was patented.

That's very brief and simplified, it can get a lot more detailed than this when questions arise as to the whole issue of Public Domain.

azkid
08:09:39 Fri
Oct 12 2012
Re: They're Trying to take All Our Lands Away
0my family in AZ is dealign with this it doesnt deal with minig but ranching. My family has has the ranch there since 1873 and now the US FS is tryign to make the creek there wild and scenic which would pretty much wipe out the existance of any of their land which they have held since 1873.

It already happened once when AZ became a state my family loss a ton of land and even homesteads. Now they are trying it again and it will wipe out their cattle herd and family business for the last almost 140 years.

This government is out of control and its gonna get worse.

geowizard
17:14:43 Sat
Oct 20 2012
Re: They're Trying to take All Our Lands Away
Quote: "Go North, young man, go North!" -Geowizard :welcome:

Note: Alaska doesn't pay me for promotion of any kind.

More of the "public domain" is being "TA'd" and patented to the State of Alaska EVERY day. The State of Alaska has an agenda!

The agenda is to open the State of Alaska to every qualified citizen and/or qualified corporation (entity) to explore and develop the minerals in the state!

In case you haven't heard...There's a Gold Rush in Alaska!:confused:

Actually, I call it a STAMPEDE! visit: www.stampede-gold.com

- Geowizard


overtheedge
19:01:55 Sat
Oct 20 2012
Re: They're Trying to take All Our Lands Away

Quote: geowizard

In case you haven't heard...There's a Gold Rush in Alaska!


Just keep in mind that you can't drive there from here. For practical purposes, Alaska is pretty much road-less. A big share of the trails are winter only and many of the older trails need brushing out. So plane, boat or foot is your primary means of transportation to get there.

But ... there is a lot of potential that hasn't seen boots on the ground for decades or perhaps never. The state has just barely begun geophysical surveys with a lot of likely ground still to be done.

I biased, optimistic and live here as proof. However, don't figure on success as a week-end warrior. Be prepared to spend weeks in the field. This means bring lots of money. It might take many seasons to find and develop an economic deposit.

To quote Kenny Rogers "The Gambler",
You gotta know when to hold them.
Know when to throw them.
Know when to walk away.
Know when to run.

Optimism can cloud rational thinking.

The State of Alaska is mining friendly. The Feds are Jekyll and Hyde. You don't think ANILCA was all about scenery do you? At the highest levels of Fed gov't, they know that they have set aside strategic mineral reserves. Local Fed land managers have their own agendas that inhibit development.
eric



geowizard
20:31:47 Sat
Oct 20 2012
Re: They're Trying to take All Our Lands Away

"Optimism can cloud rational thinking." Ote.

Prospecting and the philosophy of rational thinking?

An old saying:

Rational thinking and Emotion: One without the other is a dangerous thing!

http://www.theage.com.au/business/rational-thinking-and-emotion-one-without-the-other-is-a-dangerous-thing-20080608-2njy.html?skin=text-only

The human element requires "emotion". Without emotion, we would have no ambition or optimism and therefore we wouldn't be prospectors!

What is a "prospector"? :confused:

- Geowizard



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