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viniv
16:46:34 Sat
Jan 24 2009
New highbanker
This is a great setup from everything I have heard, I know a few guys who have test ran this unit and it works GREAT , watch the video on the site tells all.

Going to test run soon myself.


US prospector high banker


Prospect09er
07:53:50 Mon
Jan 26 2009
Re: New highbanker
I like the concept, but not the price.
Not seeing any moss or expanded in the sluice box has me wondering, but then again, the Le Trap doesn‘t need it either. :confused:

Looking forward to what you have to say about this highbanker. If anything, I’d like to see some good pictures of it’s riffle system.

stanowen
09:12:47 Mon
Jan 26 2009
Re: New highbanker
i like it, and realize that injection molding isn't cheap, but what are they thinking charging that much?

looks like it uses nugget traps/channels instead of riffles.

MadJack
09:56:03 Mon
Jan 26 2009
Re: New highbanker
That can charge what they believe the market will pay, problem is when gold is up the economy is not so good and average folks can't afford the extra $$$.
Same thing happened in the 70's / 80's . . . newer technology brings on new / better products and some are priced out of reach for (too many) miners to buy.
It's easier to make ten dollars a million times than it is to make a million dollars ten times.

Nice looking rig though!

goldrushpro
04:25:58 Tue
Jan 27 2009
Re: New highbanker
Wo Wo Wo!

I usually only read AGF but I've gotta jump in here.
I just read about My new G-1 highbanker costing too much?

Where do I start? - Lets start with my history. I've been developing fine gold recovery devices and systems for seventeen years - and I don't mean playing around two or three hours on the weekend - I mean six or seven days a week up to fourteen hours a day. Over these years my desk and my computer and my house are stuffed with prototypes, drawings, welders, pieces of scrap everything. Over this infatuation I've lost a marrage, a job, a house, and every personal thing of value. At one point I had lived for over two and a half years as a single parent on an income of $325.00 a month. I have scratched every crack in the ground "so to speak" for seventeen years. My point here is that I've been in the lowest level of poverty and I care about things not being too expensive. Now I am the founder and owner of US Prospector, a placer mine consultant, owner of two commercial gold mines, and now starting to work with gravel pits to recover gold as a by product. I just checked the price of keene and Proline's full size highbankers and they are $1,300.00 dollars mine is lighter, folds more compact, runs on less water, will handle many times the volume without overloading the sluice, has much better fine gold recovery and ........only cost's $740.00 for the same dredge/highbanker combo unit!
I hope that everyone can see that I am deticated and concerned and want to offer equipment to the prospector that is the very best there is at prices that are close to half of what other manufacturers charge.

P.S. The S-1 finishing system is exactly how good I say it is. I just got a reply from clicktheyellowchick who has a problem with the pump on Hers and as soon as I get Her water pump fixed she will give you an honest report on the system.

Thank You for listening,
Joel Farmer
US Prospector
208-608-2689(Mountain Standard time)


Seden
04:40:32 Tue
Jan 27 2009
Re: New highbanker
Joel,

Since you've posted I gotta ask you about the Rotary Finishing table. What's the smallest gold it will get and can it deal with the super thin float gold?

Thanks,

Randy

goldrushpro
05:15:50 Tue
Jan 27 2009
Re: New highbanker
Hey Randy,

We no longer manufacture the RFT because the S-1 System is so much better. I started with a rotary barrel machine years ago because the products that were out there couldn't clean fine gold very well but it was complicated to build and was very expensive. So I developed the RFT and got the same greatly improved gold recovery with a MSRP of $280.00 Then I developed the S-1 finishing system and the gold recovery was so increadibly good that I just couldn't offer a product that was inferior.
Those pictures that are on the forum are on my old website and I'm not sure why people can still see them?
P.S. The RFT could recover flat gold but had to be fed very slow.

Joel

Au_Seeker
05:33:18 Tue
Jan 27 2009
Re: New highbanker
goldrushpro,

Have you tested the S-1 system to see how small of gold it will retain?

What pump does the S-1 come with?


Thanks,
Skip

goldrushpro
06:51:08 Tue
Jan 27 2009
Re: New highbanker
AU Seeker,

Yes I've tested it and it will recover down to a solid 250 mesh. Now what precentage it will recover down to 350 mesh - I can't tell you for certain. Some time in the future i will isolate a measure of 300 mesh and mix it with common concentrates and run the test. I'm not certain that there are very many placer deposits in the world that have any volume of minus 300 mesh gold? One of the placer mines that I consult has approximately 30% of there gold that will pass through a 100 mesh screen and approximatley half of that will pass through a 200 mesh screen and the S-1 recovers it to where the tailings only have 13 Parts Per Million. I'm looking for someone who owns one of those twelve thousand dollar Goldtron tables because I think I can beat it with my $350.00 dollar unit - so if you know anyone who want's to put there machine up to the test Id like to do it for fun!
Here is a picture I recieved from a company in Canada that tested my machine - it's not the greatets sales pitch because it only has one 250 mesh peice in the middle of the picture but they assured me that there was alot of this ultra fine gold and that this microscope can only see a very small section at a time.

Joel

goldrushpro
07:01:23 Tue
Jan 27 2009
Re: New highbanker
Yeah - I'll try to get the picture on in the Morning..

Joe

Vance_in_AK
17:00:37 Tue
Jan 27 2009
Re: New highbanker
Joel, I really like the looks of the unit & enjoyed the demo video.
I imagine my 1st thought when I saw it is what causes some others to think it's over priced. That thought was "It's just plastic?".
I know there is a ton to invest in injection molding stuff, & there is "plastic" & there is "PLASTIC!". It looks like it should hold up fine to me. Heck the header box (the part that takes the greatest beating) on my Keene is plastic too!
As for the price, when you get past the "It's plastic?" stage I think it's reasonable.
Unfortunately, since I already have a 2.5" highbanker/dredge combo, a 2" backpack dredge, two detectors, handsluices, etc. I don't think I'll be able to add it to my "must have" list for the year.
BUT, if I were shopping, I think I'd be looking awful hard at your unit.

azkid
18:11:16 Tue
Jan 27 2009
Re: New highbanker
how sturdy is that PVC pipe for the water.. I think if one too many cold days and a few shovel bangs then you will be replacing PVC..

Just my thoughts since I have broken alot of PVC while trying to make stuff work myself.


also the S-1 finishing sluice.. .holy cow the price....

goldrushpro
18:24:18 Tue
Jan 27 2009
Re: New highbanker
azkid - vance_in_AK,

I gotta say that the plastic is better in every way.
The ABS that the hopper and sluice are made of is far superior to aluminum because you can't bend it. If you bend aluminum the games over. ABS is super durable stuff. A guy can bend it this way and that, trip and fall on it, drop big rocks on it and it won't ding or bend. If you did figure out a way to crack it - a $2.00 bottle of ABS cement from the hardware store will repair it back to full function in an hour or two. (which has never, ever happend so far)
The first water bars were made from the thin walled PVC to keep weight down but a guy from california did break one. So now they are made from the schedule 40 PVC which is heavier but should stop the problem. On super cold days I might be careful about dropping rocks on the spray bar. But the ABS hopper and sluice will be fine on cold days.
If anyone wants a below zero G-1 I'll make them a spray bar out of steel pipe.

Thanks,
Joel

azkid
18:32:44 Tue
Jan 27 2009
Re: New highbanker
sounds like you have great customer service there at your shop. Thats a good thing to hear keep up the good work if I ever come into 6 or 700 bucks to spend on a whime I will definately try on of your highbankers.

goldrushpro
18:57:58 Tue
Jan 27 2009
Re: New highbanker
Oh yeah - the S-1 finishing Sluice (holy cow the price)


Lots of people make a finishing sluice and they are better than most clean up devices. I just took the time to impliment the fine attention to detail and built a (system) that takes the recovery from "pretty damn good" to "WOW!"
You can also buy just the S-1 finishing sluice without the automatic vibratory feeder for 195.00 for the guy who only cleans up small amounts of black sand and doesn't mind giving a perfect regulated feed by hand.

And honestly, I don't believe a $6000.00 dollar Gemini table can beat it. So for people who want this kind of gold recovery you can pay $6000.00 plus expensive support equipment to feed it and need to be very expierienced at operating it - plus having to permently mount it to concrete - or you can pay $350.00 for a system that gives the same or better recovery and can be operated on the tailgate of a pickup, with no training and has only one drop angle setting with metered water flow. Just screen once to 1/8inch minus, turn it on and watch it work. ( I screen to 16 mesh minus because it feeds so much better and I can walk away from it for 30 minutes at a time) but the system can, and will handle 1/8 minus with a little practice setting up the feeder.
Your 8 mesh plus can be cleaned with a spiral panner and I must tell everyone - you can run any amount of concentrates through this system and you will still end up with two or three tablespoons of black sand mixed with your gold and your on your own from there. There is a thousand "best ways" to clean that up. I'm looking into the "amalgamite" on ebay and the oxi-acetalin torch to take it to a clean gold button. But I've always just panned that last little bit and snuffed it up.

Thanks,
Joel

goldrushpro
21:55:59 Tue
Jan 27 2009
Re: New highbanker
Here is the picture - Maybe?

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/goldrushpro/190xgold-1.jpg

gold_tender
23:09:01 Tue
Jan 27 2009
Re: New highbanker
Joel ...I like the simplicity of your highbanker. I think there are several pluses to your machine. I truly hope that you will get an independent test done for the finest gold you can get. Please publish it once you get it. I strongly feel you have a good machine but you are over priced by 2-300 dollars. I feel that at this time with the recession you will have better luck selling your product at a lower price. I know one feels after he has spent the time and energy on a product such as yours, one feels it is worth a great deal of money. The supply and demand factor I am sure will be the deciding factor. Thank you for your time.

:smile:

tabwyo
03:16:19 Wed
Jan 28 2009
Re: New highbanker
Joel

How often would you recomend cleaning this unit up during a prospecting day? Can you adjust the angle of the hopper and riffle tray independently? What is the max flow capcity befor you just start blowing all the gold out of the riffles? And what two mods would you make to deal with strictly very fine gold (-150 and smaller)???

bluethermal
03:44:34 Wed
Jan 28 2009
Re: New highbanker
Hi Joel,
i live in Queenstown NZ where the Shotover and Arrow river are, which were two of the richest rivers in the world. They have a large amount of black sands that still hold much fine gold, these quickly clog up a sluice, how would your machine handle these conditions
regards
matt

goldrushpro
04:29:45 Wed
Jan 28 2009
Re: New highbanker
Dear gold tender,

As I've demonstrated (above) my highbanker is 43% less than Keene and Proline. Mine is twice as big, less weight, can't be bent, easier to carry, process' many times more yards per day, has much better gold recovery, can run on as little a 1.5 hp pump, folds more compact, scrubs material much better, has design features to accomdate every size and shape of gold, is used by commercial placer mines, (and I don't mean my personal placer mines- I mean customers of mine) and because of all these improvments it is the most likley highbanker to produce paying quantities of gold.
I'm not beating around the bush - I also have done everything I can to reduce the cost.
I'm starting to think I'm a fool for selling this highbanker at such a reduced price???? And you said it - the economy is down and gold is up. After fee's, impurities and smelt loss, once ounce of gold will pay for the G-1and then continue to produce more gold than the others.

Thanks,
Joel

goldrushpro
04:47:29 Wed
Jan 28 2009
Re: New highbanker
Dear bluethermal,

I have commercial placer mines that use my G-1 to reduce trommel sluice concentrates for finishing. In this operation they are feeding the G-1 material that is mostly black sand. They feed two five gallon buckets of these heavy concentrates before cleaning up. This reduces ten gallons of heavy sluice concentrates to approximately three cups of enriched concentrates with gold losses limited to a few cents worth of minus 250 mesh dust. It has the ability to upgrade pure black sands while retaining the gold. But aside from that - if you watch the video at usprospector.com of the G-1 in operation you'll see that it cleans up so fast and easy that repeated cleanups through out the day is no problem at all with this unit.
Thanks,
Joel

goldrushpro
05:50:42 Wed
Jan 28 2009
Re: New highbanker
Dear tabwyo,

Clean ups are dictated by how much black sand or monozite sand is in the material you are running - but- as in the reply to (bluethermal) above, this unit has the ability to upgrade pure black sands and so it needs cleaned up much less than hungarian or expanded type riffle systems. And again, it is so fast and easy to clean this system up that it is no consideration at all to clean up alot.

I heard that a customer in California that purchased the G-1 was cleaning up every twenty shovels full on a deposit that contained gold that they refered to as parachute gold and they didn't think it was a hastle at all.

Yes the hopper and sluice are independantly adjustable. For maximum gold recovery in gold deposits that are mostly 150 mesh minus I would run about 30 to thirty five gallons of water per minute and shovel a little slower than normal.

Thanks,
Joel

azkid
05:58:02 Wed
Jan 28 2009
Re: New highbanker
while it sounds good on your posts.. it is still 3 times the cost of a Keene A52 with the added attachments..

I am intrigued by your sluice but just cannot justify the cost...

While I am open to results and tests.... would you happen to have any videos with say -150 mesh gold and sand ran through it..

or several videos with pre determined amounts of black sands and gold...


just a inquisitive person.. looking for answers..

JOE_S_INDY
20:48:02 Wed
Jan 28 2009
COST? Who said Cost?
Folks,

Lets talk about the Cost of Equipment and if you really should (or need to) spend that money.

To start with, lets decide on three different situations, which should represent a wide range of Small Scale Miners.

Mr. Alpha is a relative newcomer to mining. A one weekend a month miner, he is oriented towards enjoying the outdoors in an affordable and productive way. His finances are under careful, spousal control. Gold production is a "show the guys at work" bonus to his personal enjoyment of the outdoors. He owns hand tools and an A-51 Keene Sluice Box.

Mr. Bravo has been around mining for a few years now. He is rather skilled and finds a substantial satisfaction in overcoming mining challenges. His finances are a little more flexible and he is keenly (not a pun!) interested in increasing his gold recovery. He goes mining every weekend and every minute of his vacation. He has been known to call in sick if he’s ‘Getting good gold’. He owns older and well worn Pans, Wheels, Highbankers, Dredges, Multiple Sluices, Blue Bowls, etc. He also owns much second hand, redundant, equipment..

Mr. Charlie is an old, easy hand at mining. He lives and breathes gold. Retired now, he enjoys extra income from the gold he recovers. He mines for weeks at a stretch from breakup to freeze up and finds that he must process concentrates almost all winter. The more gold he recovers the happier he is. He has cut his equipment down to hand tools, 2 dredges, a trommel, a highbanker and various bowls, wheels mini sluices etc. He is always interested in more efficiency and increased production.

And so, these three guys are considering a new highbanker.

Alpha sees the highbanker primarily as an investment in his mining future.
@ $1600 he can buy a Keene model 173 highbanker, complete and ready to go.
@$600 he can build, over the winter, a new A-52 from Keene into a quality, home built highbanker with a new Briggs pump and hose.
@ $600 +- he can buy the G-1 and for another $250+- in pump and hoses, be streamside ready.

He may well choose the A-52 conversion because he feels he can just afford it. He believes it will help him get enough gold over a summer to ‘pay for it’ (although he never, ever, ever, ever sells his gold) and he, short sightedly, never plans for next summer's production.

Bravo chooses the G-1 because he really wants the increased gold recovery - and - he can use his already purchased pump and hose. For $600 he will have an ‘off the shelf’ fine gold recovery unit that is light, durable and will better increase recovery of fine gold. He can even build onto it to make it a dredge / banker. He’ll sell off some of his now redundant equipment to ‘free-up’ some capital to help pay for the new equipment.

Charlie doesn’t have to think too long on this. He buys the G-1 and the S-1 and the shaker-feeder to compliment his existing equipment. His trommel and dredge tailings will now be processed during the summer which will free-up his winter time (which is becoming even more precious now) and his extra income (from higher gold returns) in just a week or two’s cleanups will pay for the upgrade.

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Yes, I know it’s not accurate – but it all comes down to this:

It’s not the cost of the equipment – it’s what that equipment will do for your total bottom line that makes it a 'good buy' or not.

Lets see now – how about the guy who invented the gold pan and then the sluice. He had to “Sell” the cost of them to the guys who just picked nuggets up off the ground.

Joe

http://www.usprospector.com/index.php/concentrator

http://www.usprospector.com/index.php/buynow

http://www.keeneeng.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=173&Category_Code=PDS


ClickTheYellowChick
22:02:21 Wed
Jan 28 2009
Re: New highbanker
My first observation revolves around this apparently recent phenomenon: for the second time in 3 wk I've observed on this forum either a manufacturer or a manufacturer's rep attempt --NOT A RETAILER who has a 3rd perspective altogether!!!-- join in the forum dialogue albeit on the defensive until a wiser head spoke up, at least in the Falcon rep's behalf. His doing so tempered the "tone" of the attacks from where I sit. Perhaps that same wiser head will come here and speak up, also...at least I hope so. I believe it was Popandsons who defended the Falcon mfgr rep.

My second observation is that I see a bigger picture here, than taking an apparently BRAVE manufacturer to task on price. This discussion is really about "what features are incorporated for what price?" I know that is the way I approach any acquisition decision. I don't start with price! I either start with "I need this, and someone recommended yours" or "what does this thing do???" After doing my own homework, then I start shopping. I don't expect the mfgr to do my RETAIL shopping for me!!!!

ALL MANUFACTURERS have conducted a "features for a price" studies before putting a product on the market, let alone MSRP'ing it. Too many times, there are not "in between products offered small miners with in between pricing points to choose from." There are "fartin' around tools" and there is "production equipment." Some of us have left the "fartin' around" gold-finding stage.

Anyone can build a wooden trough, lay down some burlap, and wedge in some quarter-rounds on top of burlap. Voila, we have a sluice. A few fins will do that. Then Keene makes one out of tin, or aluminum. They add "features' so AZKID tells us. K's addressing the middle of the market, the space/price point between wooden troughs (with features--> lined with burlap and riffles), and Gold-Tron's, Falcon Centrifuges, Knelson Concentrators, Nefco Bowls, etc. Keene prices their "trough" more than a few fins. That be a fact. I CLEARLY remember bucking buying my first Keene A-52 20 years ago at D&K Detectors in Portland for about $85 PLUS another $15 for the leaverite ring/classifier holder attachement. Now they charge what??? $125 PLUS SHIPPING, and no classifier holder? For an aluminum trough with riffles that rust, and artificial "burlap?????"

My point: when one has a chance to actually talk to a Mr. Farmer or a "Mr. Falcon", it is my view one needs to contain the "price discussion" to the perameters of a "Price for Features" instead of just pounding on price when they make their rare occurrence into a public forum.

THEY have done the homework, and built the better mousetrap, completed the competitor studies, put a pencil to costs, AND incorporate intangibles such as "OVERHEAD" which includes dealer support, and after sales support and warranty work.

It is not until after a product is on the market, and independent, 3rd party comparisons are done that any buying decisions can be made. I don't know about the rest of you, but I want to see MORE manufacturer contact with the miner/user public, not less.

Let's be fair: If one already has
an A-52 sluice,
tromell,
a crusher,
a set of vibrating sieves,
a recirculating sluice,
pans and snuffer bottles,
shovels, buckets,
blue bowl,
highbanker
AAAAAnd a 2" to 8" dredge, ....
...is it fair to pound on a "better mousetrap" manufacturer b/c a shopper miner has tied up their earlier, discretionary funds in older "mousetraps" technology, back when you were learning and what you bot then was all that was available for features at your price point???




peluk
23:41:42 Wed
Jan 28 2009
Re: New highbanker
Joel,if I had a product like this and I knew it worked well,I'd take it to the various gold and gem shows.

I've yet to go to one because I am off the road system.If I were down below,I think that would be the wisest move for me.

If i were the manufacturer,I could pay for my trip many times over in sales I'm sure.Nothing like a hands on demo to eliminate questions.

Vance_in_AK
23:49:26 Wed
Jan 28 2009
Re: New highbanker
Indy, don't forget that Mr. Alpha now has to go buy a new A-52 to replace the one he used on his project, so add another $125 to his cost. After all, EVERY prospector needs a hand sluice!:confused:

As I said before, if I were in the market goldrushpro's unit is one I'd be looking at hard.

AZkid, not sure where you are coming up with your price for the A-52 + adapter + hooper, + stand ($450ish I believe), .... at a third the $600. cost of the other unit.

peluk
23:57:42 Wed
Jan 28 2009
Re: New highbanker
You know,when you think about it,there are probably a lot of guys on this site that would get a kick out of doing a circuit with your product.I would in a wink.I love this small scale prospecting and mining.If the product works,I'll sell it.

The point that I sometimes forget is the portability issue.I see it mentioned from time to time as in the discussion of the LeTraps and the small 1.5"Dredge for example.

I don't worry about that as much. But, when I go up the creek and I want to do it on foot,having a few mix and match items in storage is very handy.You an always sell quality items when you want to downsize or there is redundancy.

azkid
00:25:43 Thu
Jan 29 2009
Re: New highbanker
Quote: Vance_in_AK at 23:49:26 Wed Jan 28 2009


AZkid, not sure where you are coming up with your price for the A-52 + adapter + hooper, + stand ($450ish I believe), .... at a third the $600. cost of the other unit.


so everyone else on here can ask questions to justify stuff or debate it .. but I get attacked several times...

I was just being inquisitive as to the price...

I mean WTH... one cannot be price competetive on the forum....

just cuz my name has Kid in it .. thats not the actual case.. its my old CB handle from 15 years ago..

I am an experienced Soldier for the last 14 + years.. with 5 deployments.. so actually not really a KID per say... now..

and have a pretty good knowledge of prospecting form Desert in AZ to Working with another Forum member on his claims dilligently.. and fabricating and operating down to the finished product of gold in the vial or pan..

not sure what it is if I come off wrong to most sensitive people... due to me being blunt and not very "Wordy" if you want to call it that...

I guess the tone of if everyone does not know you then your a nobody and cannot contribute to anything..

But the point here is the Hopper is not necessarily needed with the Keene to match the feed trough of the G-1

so Keene A52 and header box + stand so for less than half (maybe I quoted 1/3 a little low.. ) you can do this..

THATS all I was SAYING.......

So I guess there is a problem with questioning the product and the price here... but I will do my best in the future to try not to "offend " anyone or question them....




Vance_in_AK
00:33:27 Thu
Jan 29 2009
Re: New highbanker
AZkid, I don't have a problem with you questioning price... That's between you & him.
I was just wondering where you came up with your price for the Keene stuff.
I have the setup you mention, & I know I have well over $400 (w/o pump) in it even doing it close to 15 yrs ago.

Thanks for your service by the way!!:smile:

goldrushpro
01:45:51 Thu
Jan 29 2009
Re: New highbanker
Check this,

That Canadian company I was telling you about just sent me this photo showing the results of more testing. They said that the nugget on the center right of the picture is approximately 500 mesh.

That seems pretty good.....

Joe

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/goldrushpro/S-1gold1.jpgl

goldrushpro
01:52:07 Thu
Jan 29 2009
Re: New highbanker
Lets try that again???

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/goldrushpro/S-1gold1.jpg

goldrushpro
01:56:38 Thu
Jan 29 2009
Re: New highbanker
I just checked a conversion chart and that peice is closer to 400 mesh...

Thanks,

Joel

JOE_S_INDY
02:17:16 Thu
Jan 29 2009
Re: New highbanker
Hey Vance,

GOTCHA!

"He owns hand tools and an A-51 Keene Sluice Box."

"... build, over the winter, a new A-52 from Keene into a quality, home built highbanker ..."

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And now you, 'AZKid',

Stand down, sir - you are among good friends here. We ALL read your "stuff", we ALL admire your example and can-do attitude.

BTW - 39y, 3m USAF TSgt (E-6) Ret.

Joe


ClickTheYellowChick
04:09:20 Thu
Jan 29 2009
Re: New highbanker
Peluk, is it your experience on the road that basically the vendors are RETAILER's and not the mfgr, nor the wholesaler?

Just curious.

peluk
04:37:22 Thu
Jan 29 2009
Re: New highbanker
Megan,my experience with goldshows is zero.I have never been to one.I see them advertized in the goldmining magazine...whatever it is..."Gold Prospecting"..?

In the ads for the shows I can see displays of equipment and showgoers are walking around getting a closeup.Sometimes one will be a doorprize.

It might be tough for an owner to get away and do the show circuit but there are alternatives.

ClickTheYellowChick
04:53:53 Thu
Jan 29 2009
Re: New highbanker
Quote: peluk at 04:37:22 Thu Jan 29 2009

Megan,my experience with goldshows is zero.I have never been to one.I see them advertized in the goldmining magazine...whatever it is..."Gold Prospecting"..?

In the ads for the shows I can see displays of equipment and showgoers are walking around getting a closeup.


Thanks for the getback, Peluk.

I had to laugh when I read your reply about the "showgoers walking around getting a close up"

Most of the gold shows I've attended as a vendor, regardless of the room has aisle so wide you could hold drag races in them...4 abreast!

The public tromps up and the the dead center of the "lanes" and lucky is the vendor who gets them to leave the safety of being noticed in the middle of the lane and come over and check out something in one's booth.

Demo's are always good for drawing a crowd. And so are noise makers.

One of my favorites is a wooden model clackin' 5 stamp mill model belt driven by an Ertl Model John Deere steam engine, I had converted to permanent wall transformer capacity by a friend of mine.

All the guys would drop by from 3 aisle over to see what the "racket was." :smile:

LOVE that little stampmill, works like a charm every time...it was great for business that weekend in GPAA Boise show a few years back.

peluk
06:25:50 Thu
Jan 29 2009
Re: New highbanker
People are afraid to be high pressured.I'll bet many feel like they are letting the salesperson down if they don't order one.

If I were selling,I'd just let the water recycle and feed the material.That seems to fascinate tourists here and they usually start the questions with "Are you getting any?"To which I reply,"You mean,gold?"

azkid
07:10:40 Thu
Jan 29 2009
Re: New highbanker
Quote: Vance_in_AK at 00:33:27 Thu Jan 29 2009

AZkid, I don't have a problem with you questioning price... That's between you & him.
I was just wondering where you came up with your price for the Keene stuff.
I have the setup you mention, & I know I have well over $400 (w/o pump) in it even doing it close to 15 yrs ago.

Thanks for your service by the way!!:smile:


no problem for the service I actually have enjoyed it..


I have everything but the highbanker hopper

and it cost me less than $250 I didnt get the hopper due to no need at the time.. I could use it now.. but I work more for someone else than I do myself.. so I use thier tools to work for them.. Kringle can testify that..

The G-1 doesnt have the upper side hopper its built in to the sluice with the water bar...

so in comparson that function is not necessarily needed in comparison.. since the G-1 does not have the classificaion bars in it like the keene hopper..

I am just wondering the actual prodution and effectivenes of this product..

I work alot of material during the summer up here and and to have a better recovery rate would be a great test machine or even production pending the input that I choose. to use.

I am really looking at this setup with interest for my home shop setup.. I have a modified A52 with the addons in my 24x48 shop to process at home but know I lose gold.. its proven with the keene and a 122GPH pump recirc unit that I am losing some gold...

so I am actually looking into this once I fix my house issue....long story but 105 degree temp change in 5 days killed my lower below ground seal... another time perhaps.)

But I am looking this summer to run some tailings for a test bed to guage the production of where I work in the summers in my after duy hours and off time.. and see hte effectiveness and am looking for a more effecient way to guage the processes we are using now..


While I am a small time miner with a wide variety of experience ( hell I even panned some Iraq bedrock laying sand while there.. risked it to see wtf is up in hte desert there... I am that dedicated... took alot of coordination but I made it happen anyway..)

I am in the need to guage the operation to further my "perfection" in helping this operation succeed in a better manner.. some on the forum know where I help at and know that I am not speaking out of my 4th point of contact...

but if I bought every contraption on the market I would be in DEBT for the next 45 + years..

since I am in hte Army and dont make what most people do I have to take in to consideration nad be more objective than most people in the Gold Mining business or even hobby... so maybe that leads to crude methods or even the cheap methods.. it works for the time bieng untill I can get the capital to use what I need..

over the last 14 + years I have been able to become more effecient in the process and the equipment that I use..

Now that I am a littel higher ranking I can affrod to do alot more and spend alot more to try and exceed the previous experience but still its government work so its not that profitable for the time I put in

I sure would hope if I spend 600 bucks that this product would perfrom to my expectations and recover what I might possibly lose with a Keene A52..... thats all it goes into saying..

I do understand that I am a little short and blunt in posts.. I have been accused of this for years in forums.... I am working on trying to be more explanative and work on getting more people skills :P

I hope this explains where I am coming from asking the direct no BS questions on this product..


Its not that often that distributers and Inventors come here to defend thier product so hopefully in the long run it will work its way out and we can all get the answers needed before purchasing this piece of equipment..



tabwyo
15:35:35 Thu
Jan 29 2009
Re: New highbanker
Joel

How wide is the riffle tray? How easily can the classification screen be replaced? Are the stand legs indipendently adjustable for uneven terrian (couldn't really tell from the demo video)? If either the hopper or the riffle try were to be damaged beyond repair. How much would a replacement tray be? Do you have any video of the G-1 in use as a dredge?

And just for kicks... if you nest an addition rffle section up to this unit do you think it would improve the recovery enough to justify the cost of an additional tray???? I know bigger isn't always better, regardless of what my wife says (paycheks guys don't be so filthy minded.. lol). But with how easy this unit is to clean and the relatively small amount of concentrates compaired to sluices with miners moss. It wouldn't add anymore to my current onsite workload.

I am in the market for a sluice/dredge combo. And this has certainly gone up on my list. Just by sheer virtue of how easy it is to store, transport and use.

Greg_in_BC
16:37:15 Thu
Jan 29 2009
Re: New highbanker
Joel, thanks for coming on the forum and giving us straight up answers on your product. I can totally appreciate the time and investment you have into the product line having thought about manufacturing items myself in the past. Kudo's for going through all the hurdles to actually bring your ideas to fruition. It must be a very satisfying feeling to see them out in the field doing what you intended.

I am one of those who has all the equip they need (and more) and yet find myself very interested in your products. I am always looking for something that does a better job with the fine gold and is easier on the old body. I have tinkered and probably still will (Popansons ASM, Trev's Boil Box and Zooka Kitty box still on the list), however it is enticing to get a system that just plain works out of the box. The temptation is to do as mentioned and downsize some old heavier equip to get new that works.

I would be very interested in your results with measured samples of mesh/corey shape particles and the outcomes. Perhaps you could oversee a third party who carry's out the testing. It looks as if you have a very good product already and this would help to give basis to any claims that are made (unlike most manufcturers who 'test' it themselves or have no test results at all).

I like the pics showing the mesh that it has caught, however the question remains with ANY system where you have such a picture or claim - how much of that particular AVAILABLE mesh size did it catch and will it retain over what period of time.

One other question I did have is whether the plastic would deform and warp with heat (such as sitting in the trunk on a hot day)?

Personally I don't think the price is out of line if it performs as you say and with the benefits it gives. Your products have many good things going for them and I wish you lots of success.
Greg in BC

ps - do you have any Canadian distributors or are you selling direct across the border?

goldrushpro
16:49:55 Thu
Jan 29 2009
Re: New highbanker
tabwyo,

The sluice tray is 20" wide.The hopper is 19".

The screen has 7 machine screws and nylock nuts (very quick to change)

Legs are all independantly adjustable.

Hopper and sluice angles are also independantly adjustable.

Replacement hopper or sluice would be about $95 or $100 dollars plus shipping but I would have to run some numbers to be accurate because it has never happened.

I don't have any video of the G-1 being used as a dredge. Idaho is frozen solid right now but as soon as the ice breaks I'll get up to shoot some footage.

Adding an additional sluice to the end of the G-1 would not improve gold recovery. It would allow for longer run times before clean up but like you said and as you saw on the video, clean ups could probably be performed in 30 seconds if someone challenged you to it. And if a prospector was working in a deposit that had horrible, thin - small gold that required alot of clean ups - they could add thier own on/off valve to the water hose. Then they could just shut the valve - clean up - then turn the valve back on and keep going without even having to walk over to thier pump.

Thanks,
Joel



Two_Alpha
02:55:13 Fri
Jan 30 2009
Re: New highbanker
Greg

IRL in Prince George is selling the US Prospectors gear.

http://www.irl.bc.ca/



goldrushpro
05:51:08 Fri
Jan 30 2009
Re: New highbanker
Greg in BC,

Yes, those pictures I put on showing the 250 and 400 mesh gold were just for fun. I understand that even a hungarian or expanded riffled sluice would catch a few specks of this type of gold through attrition. Heck , a sluice box filled with scrap iron and beer bottles would catch a few of these pieces.

As for the plastic deforming on a hot day -
In my thermoforming machine the ABS must reach 400 deg. F to form so I can't imagine a situation where the customer would have a problem.

About large, small, low corey factor, ultra fine: I am blessed that one of my consulting customers operating in central Oregon has such an increadible range of gold corey and size. He is operating in gravel from some giant, old, ancient river and it ranges from nuggets on the bedrock to 400 mesh dust and 90% of all the gold will pass through a 16 mesh screen. All I can say right now is that he was using spiral panners, reverse helix trommels, shaker tables etc. and my equipment took him from losing twelve ounces for every two thousand pounds of sluice concentrates down to 12 parts per million.
I understand you guys wanting 3rd party test results! Hell, I'd prefer that too! And you know that these commercial placer mines would not still be my customers if I was a snake oil salesman. These people make thier living placer mining and don't have the time to deal with myths and B.S. With these people you prove it to them "right now while I'm watching" kind of a thing, or your down the road. I'm proving myself and my innovations to one company and one prospector at a time.
I'm in no hurry and am enjoying watching my personal gold mines grow and my customer base grow etc.

You folks keep testing me! I've got nothing to hide and enjoy showing prospectors the benefits of these improved designs!

P.S. IRL Supply is the Canadian distributor...

Thanks,
Joel


azkid
06:09:56 Fri
Jan 30 2009
Re: New highbanker
thats been ,y whole point here joel is testing... Most people wouldnt buy a new car that they never heard of and read on the internet without at least test driving it..

hell I jsut bought 2 brand new 2008 vehicles in the last 4 months.. and test drove both.... even though the Truck was the same truck as I had just a newer model..

I have seen many Fly-By_night companies in many countries... and alot make money and then what.. your screwed cuz it dont work...

if your design works very well then hell I would actually look into buying one. and be on the list once I get the cash...


I am just wanting proof and justification on the price.. i dont know why most people cannot figure that out......

goldrushpro
15:03:59 Fri
Jan 30 2009
Re: New highbanker
azkid,

Yes sir I'm just like you and want some proof.
But put your self in my shoes - pretend that you just threw away 17 years of your life to come to the ultimate understanding of gravity/hydro gold recovery and to bring the best prospecting equipment to the world. Then imagine yourself trying to defend it on this forum........................

There is nothing like proof though so I put together a few pictures just for you, showing about ten thousand dollars worth of gold that my equipment recovered (that expensive, complicated equipment was losing) and don't think that these are all the pictures of big clean ups I'll ever get because when spring comes and my and my customers mines start back up - I'll send this forum pictures of tens of thousands of dollars a week of gold recovered with my equipment.

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/goldrushpro/janiemccall109.jpg
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/goldrushpro/janiemccall140.jpg
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/goldrushpro/janiemccall135.jpg
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/goldrushpro/janiemccall145.jpg
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/goldrushpro/janiemccall181.jpg
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/goldrushpro/janiemccall149.jpg
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/goldrushpro/Joel_Gold_011.jpg
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/goldrushpro/S-1gold1.jpg

Thanks,
Joel



tabwyo
15:22:10 Fri
Jan 30 2009
Re: New highbanker
In your opinion, would this pump be good for your unit??
http://cgi.ebay.com/PowerMax-Portable-Water-Trash-2-Pump-6-5-Hp-Gas-New_W0QQitemZ120365931786QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item120365931786&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1308%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

tabwyo
15:28:24 Fri
Jan 30 2009
Re: New highbanker
I don't mean to be PITA with the qestions, BTW. I'd rather ask and know vs get it out of the box and be suprised. I am pretty well sold on your G-1 and will be placing my order next week.

viniv
15:57:05 Fri
Jan 30 2009
Re: New highbanker
I think the guys at Rick's shop are running a small honda on the test sluice probably a 2 hp or something like that and its plenty of water so that may be even more then you need Tabwyo.



Good stuff joel I was going to test run the unit today but didn't get over to Ricks to get it and its so foggy this morning I am just jumping on the highway to get to where i'm going and taking my old gold king up to the Merced River, i'll pick it up next time and do some video if thats ok with you?

goldrushpro
16:12:03 Fri
Jan 30 2009
Re: New highbanker
tabwyo,

I sometimes use a 5.5 hp - 2inch water pump. When I do, I run it at idle and put one sharp kink in the layflat hose to get the water down to about 40 gallons per minute. This works perfect and my 5.5 runs a long time on a tank of fuel that way!

Thanks,
Joel

goldrushpro
16:16:22 Fri
Jan 30 2009
Re: New highbanker
viniv,

You bet ! Take all the video you want and let me know if you have any questions...

Thanks,
Joel

baub
20:03:25 Fri
Jan 30 2009
Re: New highbanker
Well said, Az

b

Manicminer
23:38:13 Fri
Jan 30 2009
Re: New highbanker
Do you ship to the UK?
I quite fancy the S-1 finishing sluice without the feeder hopper.

cubsqueal
00:05:16 Sat
Jan 31 2009
Re: New highbanker

Speaking of a 5.5 HP 2" pump, here's kind of a nice-looking unit and a good price:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Briggs-Stratton-Elite-Series-2-Water-Pump-NIB_W0QQitemZ140294796179QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item140294796179&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

akbushcop
01:18:38 Sat
Jan 31 2009
Re: New highbanker
The S-1 finishing sluice looks like it would be a nice cleanup tool. Kind of reminds me of a very long Micro-Sluice which in itself is a good deal.

Just from the pics and video posted on the web site I didn't see anything on this G-1 concentrator to jump up and down about. Maybe I missing something but the price didn't seem inexpensive.

goldrushpro
02:13:48 Sat
Jan 31 2009
Re: New highbanker
Thanks geowizard,

I would love to see one up in Nome this summer. I've wanted to go to Nome for years!

Hey tell me, is there beach ground up there that is open to the public for recreational digging?

Joel

peluk
02:24:51 Sat
Jan 31 2009
Re: New highbanker
Hold on there Geo.The Rotary Table that Cub introduced us to was the last word in recovery I thought.That's gone.
It was the same manufacturer.

Glad I didn't by one of them.I'm still waiting for some comment on why these aren't demonstrtated at shows.

I don't want to put the brakes on you but what happens if it doesn't work as described? Do I have to publish my results? what happens if i get into some bad material that has sand in it instead of pure gold?

Ha,ha,ha...this should be painted in a red and white candy cane motif with a big ganghook on the back end.

I'm still waiting for Megan's review of the S-1 with breath like bait...or is that bated breath?


tabwyo
03:53:03 Sat
Jan 31 2009
Re: New highbanker
I was looking at a 5.5-6.5hp pump because I fully intend to be running a 2" dredge this summer. It's a simple thing to rig up a simple PVC bypass manifold to reduce the flow to a desirable slower rate. Yet still have the HP needed to run a 2" dredge nozel when needed.

Wich brings me to yet another question. And not just for you. First, what is the slowest GPM rate you could run and still be able to run a dredge with say... well hell, with the 2" dredge adaptor kit you offer (legnth of hose & sluice set as low as possile to reduce head)??? And if that rate exceeds your recomended 30-35gpm for optimum fine gold recovery. How would you compensate for the excess flow to still retain that super fine stuff????

goldrushpro
04:53:01 Sat
Jan 31 2009
Re: New highbanker
Hello peluk,

The Rotary table was able to retain gold very very well but the S-1 System takes it to a proffessional grade level. And if in the future I figure out how to make a gold electromagnet - then it will be the best. But as for now the S-1 is the best thing I've ever seen no matter how much it costs. From 1/8th minus that is. Other tools are better for 1/8th plus.

If anyone is worried about purchasing a G-1 or S-1 - I suggest you hold off from buying for a while. I'm building these every day and it won't be long before you start getting reviews from people who own them.

Like I said - don't let me get away with anything! Make me prove it over and over again. I'm in no hurry!

And if ever there is a person who doesn't like my equipment - I'll keep a running tally and let you all know what my satisfaction % is.

Thanks,
Joel

goldrushpro
05:30:59 Sat
Jan 31 2009
Re: New highbanker
tabwyo,

Wow that's a complicated question. For instance a keene high pressure/ high volume pump on a 2.5 hp rig says it will produce 100 GPM but when the water is moved through a flex hose and then crammed through a 1/2 inch hole in the jet, I don't know how many gpm will be delivered to the log or suction head? I know I've dredged with a 1.5 hp-33 gpm pump hooked to a 2" dredge before and it worked! But the suction was horrible. But I guess an 80 to 100 gpm "rated" pump and 2.5 to 3.0 HP sure makes a safe bet for a 2" dredge .
As for the G-1 - it will recover fine and ultra fine gold better at any gpm than other highbankers. With the flow from a 3 inch dredge it still recovers fine gold increadibly well! Just adjust the hopper and sluice to have less drop. Then if your realy serious - the great thing about the lower sluice on the G-1 is that you can clean up one riffle at a time to check and see how far gold has made it down the sluice. Just lower the sluice into the clean up tub (filled with water) as many riffles as you want and give a little shake side to side and the con's will fall into the tube. Then pan that material and if you find any gold down in the last few riffles you can adjust the drop angles to fine tune it to your gold deposit. Fast and easy.

In a super fine gold deposit of course I could slow it way down and try to recover every speck, but the difference between delicate operation and full production shoveling in the G-1 will not make that much difference in total gold recovered in an hour or in a day. I think in all but the most famous ultra fine gold gravels such as the Snake river in Idaho/Oregon and maybe the Fraiser River in Canada - the difference would be measured in cents per day.

Thanks,
Joel

tabwyo
21:30:32 Sat
Jan 31 2009
Re: New highbanker
I know as a hobby prospector it seem trivial for me to worry about a little gold loss. But in my messed up mind I figure if I go through the trouble to dig it or dredge it up then by god I want to keep it. And in all honesty, I'd be plum tickled to get to the point where the gold I find actually just covers the equipment I have purchased.

I can't afford your enitre set up just yet. Because I also have a pump & hoses to think about. As well as a wall tent and stove for prospecting and hunting excursions. But I will be getting your G-1. This is all bonus money. Once tax refund time comes around I may just go for the rest of the package.



goldrushpro
21:49:03 Sat
Jan 31 2009
Re: New highbanker
tabwyo,

Believe me - I want it all too! Thats the very thing that has driven me this long in developing better equipment. And in an area with ultra fine gold I would still clean up more often to catch it even if I knew it was only the difference of a couple dollars worth of gold. Of all the gold I've hand in my hands and seen in mining operations I still get a thrill when there is a thin line of gold dust against the edge of the black sand in my pan!

Thanks,
Joel

minkos61
02:20:02 Sun
Feb 1 2009
Re: New highbanker
Hi Joel
I,m going to be heading down to Irl in Prince George here in a couple weeks. Steve told me to bring some of my cons with me to try out the finishing sluice. I have to say I,m looking forward to giving it a try , i'll let you know how it goes.

Ernie

goldrushpro
04:18:36 Sun
Feb 1 2009
Re: New highbanker
minkos61,

Excellent! Take them the toughest, super fine gold bearing concentrates you've got!

And even some con's that you've run through everything else already! That is my favorite demo to do with people. I'll never forget when one of my placer mine customers came to me with black sands that had been through every crazy thing and within ten minutes after he left I called his cell phone and said " you better just come right back" because the S-1 had already turned yellow with gold dust.

I'll be looking forward to the results!


Thanks,
Joel

goldrushpro
05:23:05 Sun
Feb 1 2009
Re: New highbanker
manicminer,

Yes we ship to the UK!

I appologise for missing your post!

Thanks,
Joel

VikingSniper
06:04:03 Mon
Feb 2 2009
Re: New highbanker
Hi Mr.Farmer
The G1 looks like a nice unit half the price and half
the weight: smile: your equipment does kinda remind
me of Angus Mackirk's products...the gold rush pro
pan mostly and you and Angus are both from Bosie ID????? all your other products are one of a kind
though...good work.

goldrushpro
13:43:22 Mon
Feb 2 2009
Re: New highbanker
Viingsniper,

Yes Angus Mackirk is my Father. (that is his Scottish heritage name) His certificate name is Gary Farmer.

About 20 years ago, we had not seen each other for some time and it turned out that we both had become prospectors and soon after started developing our own equipment. After I did some fine gold testing on the Bear river in California with a aluminum sluice and a le'trap sluice - it became obvious that plastic was superior in fine gold recovery.
Since then we have both made steady improvments on riffle designs and light weight equipment.
The gold rush pro pan (Easy Pan) was one of my first products and probably how people know US Prospecor. " the weird looking pan" from Us Prospector.

Thanks,
Joel

VikingSniper
20:06:35 Mon
Feb 2 2009
Re: New highbanker
Thanks Joel for the prompt reply....I appreceat it.
Both you and your father are smart guys...and
now I know what kind of plastic you guys use.
A lot of people where wondering that too and
I have noticed that a fair share of people use
to be unsure about your father's products for
the fact they didn't what to get stuck with
Le Trap kinda cheap plastic but know now it's
ABS and its strong and can be fixed with abs
glue in the field.
Thanks for clearing that up...lots of gold to you.
Viking

tabwyo
22:13:17 Mon
Feb 2 2009
Re: New highbanker
I know you are probably a pretty busy dude in the summer Joel. But I am just over the hill from you here in Wyoming. And I 'd love to get together with you and give my future G-1 a right and propper beating sometime.

goldrushpro
02:24:44 Tue
Feb 3 2009
Re: New highbanker
tabwyo,

Yeah between my Daughter, my mines and USProspector I can't go too far in the summer. But there is lots of ground up here that's close and I seem to always come up with an excuse to go prospecting for a day!:smile:

Joel

colo_nuggets
02:43:55 Tue
Feb 3 2009
Re: New highbanker
Are you interested in gold for a S1? No feeder. Scott

goldrushpro
04:14:10 Tue
Feb 3 2009
Re: New highbanker
colo nuggets,

You bet, gold is the money I prefer!

Give me a call when you get a chance.

Thanks,
Joel

colo_nuggets
04:25:57 Tue
Feb 3 2009
Re: New highbanker
Sounds good I will give you a call as soon as I get off work. Scott

tabwyo
01:25:53 Fri
Feb 6 2009
Re: New highbanker
Any thoughts on adding a vibrator pack to both the upper and lower trays?? I had excellent luck when I added one to my Le Trap frankensluice.

goldrushpro
04:01:42 Fri
Feb 6 2009
Re: New highbanker
tabwyo,

Yeah, adding by-directional vibration within the correct frequency range to a sluicing system has produced excellet results back in the 70's

The G-1 has such good recovery over a wide range of particle size and particle shape that it would not be neccessary - except....................................... If a gold deposit had very tough gold (i.e. fine, thin, super flat gold) it would be a neat project!
But, one of the main design considerations on the G-1 was to keep every type of gold deposit in mind. Super fast clean-up's gives the prospector working in tough gold a solution to this particular problem. Just clean up alot to keep that gold from migrating through and out of the recovery system.
Since this problem has been adressed in the design, I guess I would have to say that I love "tweeking" anything and for the pure enjoyment of customizing something - I still do it. I know a Chevy 350 or a Ford 351 is good enough and strong enough already but you better believe I'll still sneek in there and install a few aftermarket goodies to sweek out a little more! :devil:

Thanks,
Joel

hoppingforpay
04:56:27 Fri
Feb 6 2009
Re: New highbanker
I think this unit would have a problem handling roots from plants they tend to collect on expanded metal screens clogging the entrance to the lower sluice. A bigger entrance and a larger sized expanded metal will allow the holes to remain open for a longer period without having scrape the roots off all the time to allow the water and gold through.

goldrushpro
13:30:18 Fri
Feb 6 2009
Re: New highbanker
Hoppingforpay,

I can't change the screen size because the lower sluice's width, riffle shape, and riffle size were matched to a minus 1/4 inch material slurry. But I keep a nylon wisk broom with me when prospecting and it makes clearing roots from expanded metal nearly instant!


Thanks,
Joel

tabwyo
15:04:34 Fri
Feb 6 2009
Re: New highbanker
It would be a simple matter of installing an aluminum flatbar across the middle of the trays. Then attatching the vibrator pack to the crossbar. You wouldn't even need to drill any holes in the tray to test it out. Just C-clamp the crossbar onto the lip of the sluice tray. I'll do this and let you know what happens. I have 3, 5g buckets of sluice cons I can use. I can all the material through w/o vibration and pan the cons to check the recovery. Then dump it all back through w/ vibration and see if it picked up anything else.

BTW, I just put my order in for the g-1, the 2" nozzel kit and one of your fancy pants gold pand. Name a dinner next week after me... lol.

goldrushpro
00:30:35 Sat
Feb 7 2009
Re: New highbanker
tabwyo,

Fancy pants gold pan?

Your going to love it! Watch the pan video a few more times while your waiting for shipping and when you get it call me and we'll go over all the equipment!

Thanks,
Joel

tabwyo
18:33:09 Sat
Feb 7 2009
Re: New highbanker
I've seen the video and I liked what I saw. That's why I ordered one. I can image all the funky looks I'll get up on Rock Creek when I whip it out and use it.

dredgeguy
01:55:01 Sun
Feb 8 2009
Re: New highbanker
The EASY Pan is the best sampling pan I have used so far. All you have to do is actually use it and you will be amazed at the fine gold you have been throwing away.
and yes I have been using the G1 conenctrator that Joel makes for some months now.

The G1 is the only highbanker we use now. We test and sell most all the brands you have heard about.

In answer to the roots getting caught, they do but the material that is shoveled or dredged into the hopper actually cuts or pounds the roots until they are not a problem with the feed. about every 20- 30 shovel fulls we would run the blade of the shovel over the screen to clear it. One or two scrapes and the roots disappear. We were in a very grassy area to start.

a few of the stories so far from users.
Matt brought in the gold to show off. He said most do not brag about the pile of dust he brought in, but wanted to show the fines the G1 was catching.

Jeff and Sergei used the G1 in many locations. Jeff and Sergei shovel and throw dirt faster than most of us and could barely keep the machine fed. They also got super fine gold and chunks.

I could type all night with the people who have used the G1
The fact that it is the only one we use now really tells the story of what we think.

Hope this helps the discussion


Seden
05:44:43 Sun
Feb 8 2009
dredgeguy,got a S-1 Finishing system too?
Dredgeguy,

Do you or your friends have the S-1 finishing system?

Randy

azkid
18:01:16 Sun
Feb 8 2009
Re: New highbanker
Quote: dredgeguy at 01:55:01 Sun Feb 8 2009

The EASY Pan is the best sampling pan I have used so far. All you have to do is actually use it and you will be amazed at the fine gold you have been throwing away.
and yes I have been using the G1 conenctrator that Joel makes for some months now.

The G1 is the only highbanker we use now. We test and sell most all the brands you have heard about.

In answer to the roots getting caught, they do but the material that is shoveled or dredged into the hopper actually cuts or pounds the roots until they are not a problem with the feed. about every 20- 30 shovel fulls we would run the blade of the shovel over the screen to clear it. One or two scrapes and the roots disappear. We were in a very grassy area to start.

a few of the stories so far from users.
Matt brought in the gold to show off. He said most do not brag about the pile of dust he brought in, but wanted to show the fines the G1 was catching.

Jeff and Sergei used the G1 in many locations. Jeff and Sergei shovel and throw dirt faster than most of us and could barely keep the machine fed. They also got super fine gold and chunks.

I could type all night with the people who have used the G1
The fact that it is the only one we use now really tells the story of what we think.

Hope this helps the discussion



interesting that you do happen to be a distributor of his products.....

its funny you register here just for the reason to back up his product...

not saying anything is wrong with it but it seems like he is bringing in the cavalry to help him out.....

I am even more interested in seeing non-biased tests with the G-1

and maybe get one based on those tests.

dredgeguy
18:06:19 Sun
Feb 8 2009
Re: dredgeguy,got a S-1 Finishing system too?
Hello Randy

Yes we have been testing the S1 since it was made.

So Far we have ran it with unscreened material at all different slopes and with dredge concentrates, G1 concentrates basically everything and the kitchen sink.
Then we used screened material and ran it thru the S1
We ran the Buckets of Blue bowl concentrates thru the S1 and really were impressed. It is amazing what the blue bowl doesn't recover.

The speed is another great factor. We run an 8 when we can and 4" most of the time. The 8" generates a ton of concentrates. We use to hate the clean up to get the fine gold out. The S1 catches the fine gold and enriches itself as you are running. So now the clean ups are a lot faster and easier.

At the moment four people have gotten rid of their blue bowls. They can't stand to use them anymore.

We have found that the S1 runs best with material screened 8-30 mesh and at about 5" of slope.

Your material will be different from ours. After the initial break in period you will have dialed in for your gold.

The tailings tell the tale. We have a spot that has FLAT, THIN and Bent flakes of gold. We call them gold parachutes.
Out of the 1 ounce test with the worst gold we could find we watched about 3 flakes tumble thru the S1. When we adjust our feed rate the second time it caught the rest of the gold. In running the S1 we averaged a good solid 93 percent recovery on the first run with 2 five gallon buckets of black sand as the control amount.

Hope this helps Randy


dredgeguy
18:25:24 Sun
Feb 8 2009
Re: New highbanker
Always a skeptic,
My family has been in mining and earth moving for more years than we care to remember.

I have been mining for years, have claims, blah, blah.

My friends and I are always trying new ways to get gold and love the mining.

When something comes along that really works for us we like to pass it along. We sell all types of mining equipment. We have used all types of mining equipment.

I didn't sign on to back up the G1, just to let you know what we think. We do not promote our shop on any forum. We are busy enough without bothering people on the forums. We just really like gold mining and all aspects of it and if we can share some knowledge we will.
You don't hear from us mostly because of comments like above.

But when customers are bringing in their Keene highbankers and telling us to give them to the local club we think that speaks volumes.

I worked in construction for a long time and gold mining even longer just like most. I personally get tired of the old worn out opinions that keep floating around when there are new items and technology that works better.

We have tested the G1 and are unbiased towards any manufacturers product.
Some Americans still believe that a hand shake is still binding and not all are only in it for the money.

Thanks Rick

dredgeguy
19:05:46 Sun
Feb 8 2009
Re: New highbanker
Hello
Please look at the post for the mineral estate. I signed on for the great discussion and knowledge and to help.
If the miners don't get it together we will be the people who use to mine for gold

The all out attack on our rights under the Mineral Estate Grant will succeed if not opposed.

We need to know our rights in order to defend them

AKCamoMan
20:13:50 Sun
Feb 8 2009
Re: New highbanker
To me, it looks like just another attempt at developing a "better or best" gold recovering unit. I think it looks like a piece of junk myself. Everyone I prospect with are always willing to try new things, if the price is right. BUT, we always go back to the tried and true methods, we know, that recover the gold from coarse to fines in the most efficient way possible. This does not look efficient. For one, when the guy in the video is scxxx off the lower unit with the shovel to clean the grating, how many nuggets has he potentially put back on the ground? As for the fines....with that amount of water pressure going through, most of the fines are long gone. Yeah, it's wide and easy to put a shovel full of material in and the material looks like it's being sufficiently cleaned, but the fine gold recovery is questionable. Just my opinion.

tabwyo
22:25:07 Sun
Feb 8 2009
Re: New highbanker
I thought Le Trap sluices were pieces of junk as well. Until I tried one out and was proven completely wrong.

I'll give the G-1 a propper beating this year. Both as a highbanker and a dredge (once the season opens). I will give it a good run through on a dry creek bed that intersects a flowing creek near my house as soon as all of the equipment is here. Just to get a feel for how it works. Not a lot of gold. But tons of fine black sands. If it can recover the black sands then it should surely recover gold of the same particle size. If Joel is interested I can video my outings with the G-1 and post them here.

Heavens_Pavement
03:30:38 Mon
Feb 9 2009
Re: New highbanker
@ tbwyo ,please post your video :smile:.

I am seroiusly looking at this equiptment.
love my Letrap and my took it to my claim most of the time, light weight, too easy of clean up.
Back pack my "back pack dredge" 2.5 inch keene and after of over a mile, I was wondering who said this was back packable LOL.

What is the weight of the g1 as is??

No 2.5 inch dredge adapter on the web site ,
how much??
I would imagine that shipping to Alaska might be a killer...


tabwyo
03:43:41 Mon
Feb 9 2009
Re: New highbanker
22 pounds. I am assumeing w/o the additionalt weight of a pump and hoses.

tabwyo
04:01:01 Mon
Feb 9 2009
Re: New highbanker
For giggles and yawns though. I have already started fabricating a 36Lx20w extension sluice with legs. Decked out w/ backed moss and expanded metal. Just crap I had in the shop really. But if I run all day with regular clean ups and check the tail sluice at the end of the day. it should give me a pretty good guage on the G-1's recovery. I don't doubt that the G-1 is a good piece of equipment. this is more a buffer for me until I get used to how the unit works. And it will be a good way for me to document the units performance as evidence for others to review.

goldrushpro
04:20:24 Mon
Feb 9 2009
Re: New highbanker
tabwyo,

Man, I am so glad you are putting together a secondary recovery sluice for the G-1!

I installed secondary recovery systems on the G-1 when I was testing it. You doing it is much better!

I can't wait for your first report!

Thanks,
Joel

azkid
04:40:40 Mon
Feb 9 2009
Re: New highbanker
Quote: tabwyo at 04:01:01 Mon Feb 9 2009

For giggles and yawns though. I have already started fabricating a 36Lx20w extension sluice with legs. Decked out w/ backed moss and expanded metal. Just crap I had in the shop really. But if I run all day with regular clean ups and check the tail sluice at the end of the day. it should give me a pretty good guage on the G-1's recovery. I don't doubt that the G-1 is a good piece of equipment. this is more a buffer for me until I get used to how the unit works. And it will be a good way for me to document the units performance as evidence for others to review.



THE MOST level headed thing yet since he already ordered one..


Please post vids of the recovery og the G-1 and the WTH else it might have lost... I am very interested in this..

Heavens_Pavement
08:06:36 Mon
Feb 9 2009
Re: New highbanker
@ tabwyo thanks for the reply, I to am waiting for your report,
vid/pics please :wink:

@goldrushpro do you have the 2.5 inch dredge bracket, since you have no add on on your web site (recommended) love to online shop not talk on the phone :smile:
OK @ 22 pounds bare bones that puts it in there with my keene sluice/ hopper/legs set up, don't know why I thought it was less.....
Still have ease of clean up.
and high capture rate, pending indpendant tests :wink:

I know with my wife and I shoveling as a highbanker that one of us (me) landed up "tending" the keene unit this is another reason the G-1 looks appealing.

goldrushpro
14:32:16 Tue
Feb 10 2009
Re: New highbanker
Heavens_Pavement,

Yeah we have the 2.5 inch attachments !
Thanks,
Joel

goldrushpro
02:53:27 Wed
Feb 11 2009
Re: New highbanker
Ultra fine gold recovery system is in place. We have to redesign the power screen this week to work properly and then we'll run some gravel...






Heavens_Pavement
02:57:39 Wed
Feb 11 2009
Re: New highbanker
Love pictures, thanks!

where is the snow?? LOL, LOL.

How much for the 2.5 in dredge bracket???

tabwyo
03:17:52 Wed
Feb 11 2009
Re: New highbanker
I am anxiously awaiting the arrival of my G-1.

Vance_in_AK
03:42:48 Wed
Feb 11 2009
Re: New highbanker
Now that looks like fun!!!!!:smile:

baub
08:11:11 Wed
Feb 11 2009
Re: New highbanker
Cool !!

b

tabwyo
20:00:59 Wed
Feb 11 2009
Re: New highbanker
BTW, azkid

The reason I am putting together a tail sluice is because in order to run the G-1 as a dredge I may have to run at a GPM rate that isn't condussive to ultra fine gold retention. And it gives me a chance to run the dredge material over yet a finer classification screen and then over another run in nopes of catching every spec. I could easily rig up my Le Trap as the tail sluice. but I thought it would be more interesting to run the runoff from the G-1 over more conventional recovery media and post the results.

But I will run the tail sluice when I highbank just to post the results. Both on shoveld gravels/dirt and on pre-classified material.

azkid
20:12:32 Wed
Feb 11 2009
Re: New highbanker
I am seriously still interested in this product.. I just wanted to clear some air about it early on..

There were alot of things that didnt add up and then random people that just register and defend the product.

If it works as good as advertised and discussed I will be looking forward to one later on in the summer once I recover from my Lower Back Disk replacement..

but I am intrigued as to the effectiveness of this piece of equipment.

but it sounds like a good idea to run it at the tail to see what your losing and the fine gold and any suspended gold stops in the G-1

I might even buy one before I am recovered to set it up in my shop as a test running machine to see what I lost with my A52.






Quote: tabwyo at 20:00:59 Wed Feb 11 2009

BTW, azkid

The reason I am putting together a tail sluice is because in order to run the G-1 as a dredge I may have to run at a GPM rate that isn't condussive to ultra fine gold retention. And it gives me a chance to run the dredge material over yet a finer classification screen and then over another run in nopes of catching every spec. I could easily rig up my Le Trap as the tail sluice. but I thought it would be more interesting to run the runoff from the G-1 over more conventional recovery media and post the results.

But I will run the tail sluice when I highbank just to post the results. Both on shoveld gravels/dirt and on pre-classified material.


dredgeguy
23:01:51 Wed
Feb 11 2009
Re: New highbanker
Hello again

If it is good enough to sign on and talk about it after we used it.

It must have worked for us.

azkid
23:45:17 Wed
Feb 11 2009
Re: New highbanker
Quote: dredgeguy at 23:01:51 Wed Feb 11 2009

Hello again

If it is good enough to sign on and talk about it after we used it.

It must have worked for us.



not doubting you per say...


but I could have 50 of my friends come on here and talk about my product and try to sell you a bag of manure.... I mean they can all vouch that its the best manure out there..

but then again it could just still be a another bag of crap :P


do you get my point here.

tabwyo
23:46:41 Wed
Feb 11 2009
Re: New highbanker
Dredgeguy

I'd be interested in any advice regarding the G-1. I'd really dig pics of it in action (aside from the demo vid). I got the pump and hoses, now all I need is the G-1 and I'll be turnin dirt.

Heavens_Pavement
02:55:34 Thu
Feb 12 2009
Re: New highbanker
@tabyho what motor are you going to use the g-1 at?
what hose size?

I have a 2.5 inch..STILL have not gotton back to on 2.5 in dredge bracket (ahem :smile: )
with the honda 4 stroke that comes with the keene combo set up.
looking forward to your report with pic and vid of course :smile:

Vance_in_AK
07:10:22 Thu
Feb 12 2009
Re: New highbanker
I think the AZKid is actually a sales rep for Keene!:duuuh::confused::devil:

azkid
15:53:10 Thu
Feb 12 2009
Re: New highbanker
Quote: Vance_in_AK at 07:10:22 Thu Feb 12 2009

I think the AZKid is actually a sales rep for Keene!:duuuh::confused::devil:



hahah I wish... na just eagerly awaiting the results of the test comparison so I can figure out if I am gonna get one or not.

I am eagerly awaiting the video whenever someone gets one of the G-1's and puts a metered amount of gold in some material and runs it through several different sluice to see the effeciency compared to others.


Greg_in_BC
20:52:12 Thu
Feb 12 2009
Re: New highbanker
Joel, have you had a chance yet to try out your G-1 in an area with small shards of broken bedrock or small flat rock, do they get caught up in the drop riffles at all?

goldrushpro
01:46:30 Fri
Feb 13 2009
Re: New highbanker
Greg_in_BC,

No, I haven't run the G-1 in that type of broken flat bedrock. I can't say how it would react?

I'll ask the locals and see if someone knows where some of that type of material is around here and run some to see.

It may be awhile though. The snow is off down in town but not in the Mountains around here.

Thanks,
Joel

tabwyo
04:03:04 Fri
Feb 13 2009
Re: New highbanker
I have some of that around here.

tabwyo
05:10:41 Sat
Feb 14 2009
Re: New highbanker
FedEx says it's on it's way.........

Vance_in_AK
07:13:33 Sat
Feb 14 2009
Re: New highbanker
Quote: tabwyo at 05:10:41 Sat Feb 14 2009

FedEx says it's on it's way.........


Just like Christmas!!!:smile: (Except this is exactly what you want instead of what someone thought you would want:devil:smile:

goldrushpro
15:09:40 Sat
Feb 14 2009
Re: New highbanker
Heavens_Pavement......................................


Yeah - sorry!

The 2.5 inch dredge attachment bracket itself is $26.00 dollars.

I've gotton six kinds of busy this winter when normally I'd be looking for something to do! I've just been jumping on the forum here and there and missed your question.

Thanks,
Joel

tabwyo
01:41:05 Tue
Feb 17 2009
Re: New highbanker
The unit arrived this evening. Set up in 5 minutes. Once I figured out which side was up on the frame... lol. It's a ton sturdier than it appears to be in the demo video. And the riffles are alot deeper than they apear. I can definetly see how they grab the gold now. Next weekend I'll get it fired up and running dirt.

Heavens_Pavement
02:55:29 Tue
Feb 17 2009
Re: New highbanker
Exciting :smile:
Did you get any e-mail(or what kind)
response when you ordered.
Besides paypal notification(auto reply)
I've had none, ordered sun noe Mon.
Maybe I'm just used to faster service better communication....
Any way, even if you only get a tiny speck, please post pic/vid PLEASE LOL

Greg_in_BC
04:31:19 Tue
Feb 17 2009
Re: New highbanker
Joel, another question for you :smile:

Most of the pics of your G-1 I have seen with gold show the upper box with the drop riffles.

Have you done any tests to find what % of gold is catching in the top as compared to the lower box? Any difference in % in the size classification splits?

Thanks for taking the time to answer.

goldrushpro
05:13:57 Tue
Feb 17 2009
Re: New highbanker
Heavens_Pavement,

An email is sent out when each order is filled and shipped.

Thanks,
Joel

goldrushpro
05:28:49 Tue
Feb 17 2009
Re: New highbanker
Greg_in_BC,

Most of the controlled tests on the G-1 have been on the tailings coming off the end of the lower sluice. . And of course every gold deposit would show different results in the % and size that was in the hopper compaired to the lower sluice.
But one great thing is - so far every test has shown about 95% to 98% of the gold never makes it out of the hopper. And most of the tests were performed on the gravels from central Oregon where the gold deposit is the toughest. This deposit is extra tough, with a large portion of the paying gold being minus 100 mesh all the way down to the very finest gold. It is an excellent test medium due to this ultra fine gold and shows the capability of the drop trap riffles in the hopper. The lower sluice in strictly for ultra fine gold or the ocasional peice of "tin foil" that gets through and is essentially a secondary recovery system.

Thanks,
Joel

Heavens_Pavement
16:06:30 Tue
Feb 17 2009
Re: New highbanker
Thanks for the reply Joel.
Since this seems to be the best way for both of us to connect and no reply on my paypal message......

PLEASE do not forget to add the 2.5 dredge adapter.
Thank you.


polekaat
03:58:23 Wed
Feb 18 2009
Re: New highbanker
Quote: tabwyo at 03:53:03 Sat Jan 31 2009

I was looking at a 5.5-6.5hp pump because I fully intend to be running a 2" dredge this summer. It's a simple thing to rig up a simple PVC bypass manifold to reduce the flow to a desirable slower rate. Yet still have the HP needed to run a 2" dredge nozel when needed.

Wich brings me to yet another question. And not just for you. First, what is the slowest GPM rate you could run and still be able to run a dredge with say... well hell, with the 2" dredge adaptor kit you offer (legnth of hose & sluice set as low as possile to reduce head)??? And if that rate exceeds your recomended 30-35gpm for optimum fine gold recovery. How would you compensate for the excess flow to still retain that super fine stuff????


You can reduce the flow on any pump without damaging it by just installing a recirculation loop with a globe valve from a wye on the discharge back to the suction side. You will also need a valve (ball, plug, gate, globe, butterfly.....whatever you have) between the pump discharge and your sluice/highbanker/dredge.

hope this helps...

Trevor


tabwyo
03:24:43 Thu
Feb 19 2009
Re: New highbanker
I plan to do that and add in a "t" or two for extra hoses. In the end. my 6.5 is over sized for the two inch nozel. But I can use the extra flow as and aditional sprayer or to run one of my "kid works".

Kid Bankers = I help them set up on one of my old sluices and then they get to dig whatever the hell they want and run through it. They make edgucated guesses for the first couple buckets based offf what I have taught them. But after tha all bets are off. But they keep the gold and have a good little collection of their own.

Ben_Rumson
06:35:03 Sun
Feb 22 2009
Re: New highbanker
I've been researching for a new 3" combo unit and was pretty well sold on the Keene 175. Bought all the parts for it separately from all over the country. I want the best price.
Main Parts are a P180 for a Honda 5.5 GX160 running 20 feet of 3" wood chip clear hose as it is more flexable then what I've been told standard dredge hose is. Keene suction nozzle.
I'm working a shallow creek that dry's up every summer but has a fairly shallow water table after the surface water is gone.
Gold ranges in size from sub -60 (I can see smaller with my Lighted 30x hand scope) to pickers classified with 12 mesh. Some are flat and really love to kite.
After getting no responce to several requests for qoutes on the 175 sent to several companies you've all heard of (Shrug) except AMD (I thought shipping to lower 48 might be prohibitive). I was reading this thread and decided if it preforms as stated that it was exactly what I'd been looking for. Big enough to move enough. Fine gold recovery. Compact for transport on my TW200 bike.
That said. I will let you know.

tenderfootminer
07:47:27 Sun
Feb 22 2009
Re: New highbanker
kids works! me too lol i set up my mini highbanker for the younger ones funny they "raid " my pay dirt and actualy make some $ while learning the work ethics and pleasures of mining!great job ....ws

peluk
01:50:46 Mon
Feb 23 2009
Re: New highbanker
Ben,I have used a Proline combo.My mistake besides having too much flat rock material to work,was that I had it sitting too high off the water.I should have dropped it right down on its adjustable legs to mimmick a dredge more closely.That would have helped eliminate constant plugups even with the flat rocks I ran into.

Ben_Rumson
05:29:47 Mon
Feb 23 2009
Re: New highbanker
Thanks Peluk.
I found this reaserching and hope it addresses some of the problems associated with plugups.


http://goldadventures.biz/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/DSCN3364.1733528.JPG

peluk
07:51:46 Mon
Feb 23 2009
Re: New highbanker
Ben,a bar across the intake seems and seemed like it would be an improvement when i first ran into the problem.That bar in a notched slot(photo),looks like it is the result of a dredger's process of elimination and not a kneejerk reaction.
My thoughts were of a V-shaped grill for some reason or other.You might check the Honkoop site for a variety of ready made grills for various size suction nozzles as well.I wonder how a grill of bow shaped bars would work.It wouldn't allow the flat rock to get pinned by suction.

Ben_Rumson
16:55:35 Mon
Feb 23 2009
Re: New highbanker
Ok. I follow. That will give me something to think about.
Thanks.

Ben_Rumson
21:39:06 Mon
Feb 23 2009
Re: New highbanker
Remove handle. Bend center prong down and secure to nozzle with Hose clamp. Place outside prongs inside of nozzle mouth and adjust to desired distance in front of nozzle mouth.

http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1159471/2/istockphoto_1159471_garden_claw.jpg

Prospect09er
15:10:58 Tue
Feb 24 2009
Re: New highbanker
Ben, I like your idea. I was going to make a grate/rake to experiment with, but I’m gonna try this first. Way cheaper!
I’ll drill a hole just big enough to get the claw through and clamp the shaft to the nozzle tip.


Ben_Rumson
17:07:15 Tue
Feb 24 2009
Re: New highbanker
Perfect.

tabwyo
20:56:40 Tue
Feb 24 2009
Re: New highbanker
Just picked up a 2000gph 12v pump and charger so I can set up the G1 as a recirculator here at home. I have about 15 buckets of hand sluice concentrates in the back yard. I wouldn't mind knock that down to a more manageable volume.

Haven't had a chance to set up and run the unit yet. Possibly to tomorrow if the weather holds. I just finished getting the fittings for the water pump. So it's ready to go now. Don't have the tail sluice done yet either. I guess I need to get bussy.

tabwyo
03:15:32 Wed
Feb 25 2009
Re: New highbanker
BTW, the idea behind running it as a recir unit at home is that hauling water just to sample in dry areas is a major PITA. I can hual about 20 five gallon buckets in the bed of my truck. I can get 4, 5g samples from 4 areas and get a pretty descent test out of it back at the house. When I home in on a deposit worth working in ernest I can get a full 20 bucket sample or just hual water to it. The electric pump is to keep the noise down.

blacksands_man
07:08:34 Wed
Feb 25 2009
Re: New highbanker
You need about 20 "D" cells wired up for 12v (2 banks of 12v wired together) if you go that route for your 2000gph pump... minimum (could get a power supply for home use or car battery) , i found out as there seems to be a certain draw rate on "D" batteries as 10 wired for 12v weren't enough & reduced flow rate, also if you can go to 24-32v bilge pump versions it might be better as you won't have as much heat /performance losses through wires.My battery cases were melting...
here is some heavy duty "D" cell battery holders can be snapped together...
http://www.sci-supply.com/closeup.asp?cid=104&offset=0&pid=110

I dying to see how this G-1 performs... some measurements of microscoped gold form the lower sluice segment with scales for size would be interesting or clean up results from G-1 to S-1 equipment as compared to other common equipment out there would be interesting or the tailings from other equipment run through the S-1 to see if it picks any gold up would be encouraging.

blacksands man

JOE_S_INDY
11:08:07 Wed
Feb 25 2009
New Highbanker Question
I have some friends in Australia who have been following this thread and they asked me to forward their questions to Joel here.

The subject of G-1 use in clay is the biggie here. As Geoff said "...how does it handle a reasonable percentage of clay in the wash?"
So, how does the spray system and the hopper area do in processing normal clays. Realizing that there are endless types of clay, how effective is the design.

XXXXXXXXXX

Also, the square spray bar - is there a provision for removing internal blockages to the spray holes? Other than the usual sand and debris there was an unusual problem at Tunea, Aust. with, of all things, small leeches plugging the spray holes.

XXXXXXXXXX

And there was the concern about UV protection in the plastic. Also, the plastic's ability to hold up, strength-wise, to long term shoveled gravel wear and knocks from errant shovel wielders - or as a friend asked "Ide say it would cop a flogging though being plastic ?"

Just a lot of questions which, I'm sure, you have encountered before.

Joe

Ben_Rumson
16:04:18 Wed
Feb 25 2009
Re: New Highbanker Question
When I run my recirculating setup. I'll shovel into a 5 Gal. bucket with 1/4 inch clasification holes drilled in the bottom that is set into another 5 gal. bucket wich sits in a 15 Gal. tub. Shovel and agitate until you've got a full bucket and feed that into the recirculating sluice. Go back and poor whats in the tub back into the bucket.
Keeps the recerculating sluice water cleaner and I can stretch the water further.

tabwyo
20:15:48 Wed
Feb 25 2009
Re: New Highbanker Question
Quote: JOE_S_INDY at 11:08:07 Wed Feb 25 2009


XXXXXXXXXX

Also, the square spray bar - is there a provision for removing internal blockages to the spray holes? Other than the usual sand and debris there was an unusual problem at Tunea, Aust. with, of all things, small leeches plugging the spray holes.

XXXXXXXXXX

Joe


We have that here in the late summer. Don't know if they are tiny tiny leeches or midge larve. But the pack off the miners moss so bad you don't recover squatt.

The holes on the spray bar ar big enough to stick a #2 pencile in. And I guess if you really had a serious issue it would be hard to rig up a spraybar that you can tear apart and clean. PVC is cheap.

overtheedge
20:35:08 Wed
Feb 25 2009
Re: D-cells for pumps
Re: Batteries

Here is some battery data to consider before you decide to choose what
will work vs. what might work. Data from Mouser ® catalog and Energizer®
website.

D-cells are available up to about 18,000mAh. This is NOT 18 Amps for
1 hour. It is 720mA for 25 hours. Alkalines are typically rated for
a 25 hour discharge period. If you attempted a 18 Amp discharge, the
battery will overheat and probably leak all over the place releasing
potassium hydroxide, remember lye?

A 2000gph bilge pump needs about 5 Amps to run at 12.6-13.6 volts.
This brings in another problem; batteries lose voltage with amperage
draw. The higher the draw, the greater the sag voltage. Running a motor at
lower voltage causes the wiring to heat-up and this increases voltage loss
and reduces motor life. Power (watts) is voltage multiplied by amps. Lower
the voltage and the amperage must increase. 12V motors are not rated to
use lower voltages due to the ampere capacity of the wiring.

If we consider 18,000 mAh D-cell batteries in parallel to get
36,000 mAh capacity, we are still faced with 1440 mAh maximum draw
to get the rated Ah capacity. Series connection adds voltage, but no
increase in amp-hours.

So what happens if we go for the 5 Amp average draw from this battery
pack? From the Energizer® website, a 2900mAh AA will have 2900mAh capacity
at 25mA draw, but only 1300 mA capacity at a 500mA draw. As the chemistry
of alkalines is a constant, it matters little whether the battery is a AA
or D-cell, the discharge curves are identical in the time : % discharge
to capacity rate. Going back to the AA, if we raise the discharge rate to
16% of rated capacity, we only get 45% of the rated capacity.

Now back to the D-cell pack, the 36,000mAh pack will produce about
16,000-1700mAh at a 5A draw. These batteries run a bit over $1 each
and are not rechargeable. Using these batteries at the 5A rate will
still result in overheating that was pointed out in a previous posting.


So, what to do? Use either a car battery or better still, a deep-cycle
marine battery rated for 50Ah or better. Weight should never be the
major consideration unless you are packing the recovery system some
distance. If it has to be packed, use a river-robber type system. Or
you might wanna consider a wheelbarrow.

Science, math and the manufacturers data sheets must be the basis
for any decisions. Monetary-based decisions must be balanced against
recovery. It is called cost-benefit ratio.

JOE_S_INDY
01:36:54 Thu
Feb 26 2009
Re: New highbanker
Even just a small garden tractor battery should work better than flashlight batteries.

Joe

tabwyo
02:43:03 Thu
Feb 26 2009
Re: New highbanker
I am talking a car batery style charger with 5 amp service........... I plug it into the wall then connect the leads.

goldrushpro
03:14:58 Thu
Feb 26 2009
Re: New Highbanker Question
Joe_S_Indy,

To Geoff's questions -

The Black ABS plastic DOES have uv inhibitors.

This plastic is super durable and will last an increadible amount of time.

Remember that a two dollar (six Australia dollars?) bottle of ABS glue will fix it if cracked. (has never happened yet)

The holes in the spray bar are quite large for spray bar holes and will most likely not plug. The section of the water bar with the holes in it is not glued and could be removed for cleaning.

And to address the clay issue - I have not specifically run heavy clay in the G-1 but after carefull consideration I've come to the conclusion that if the G-1's hopper box were set flatter than normal, it would hold the clay bering material in a heap and force it to be very well blasted.
I'm thinking that it might even be better than a power puddler? ? ?
I'll have to try it soon!

Joel


blacksands_man
07:02:15 Thu
Feb 26 2009
Re: New Highbanker Question
Well goldrushpro,

Have you returned from the Snake river with your results yet? I am holding my breath to see the sizes & quantities of gold you got as well as experiments with the plastic sheet.

And by the way I applaud your dedication to your passion in your interest of gold recovery no matter what the cost, maybe you should write a book on slice / riffle design to further the art to the next level & for future sluice designers ...I'd buy a copy.

blacksands man

goldrushpro
14:22:25 Thu
Feb 26 2009
Re: New Highbanker Question
Black sands man,

Yes, I went to the Snake. The outing was a hit and about 35 prospectors showed up. But as for testing - I wasn't able to get that serious.
Many of the prospectors hadn't seen the G-1 yet and were crowded around asking questions. Though it was an excellent day for Feb. it still wasn't warm outside. I panned around for the best dirt and then had (some) help from the guys hauling buckets back to the highbanker. I saw from the panning samples that the best gold we could find was only in the range from 100 mesh to about 250 mesh and I really needed a spot with finer gold than that because I already knew it would catch all that. Then it ended up being a talk session about how little gold there is in the Snake River (hee hee) I knew going in, that to make that river pay one would need to run material all day and lots of it! But the guys and gals who showed up weren't that interested. :confused:
But with me, the finer the gold - the more I like it!

I'll go back by myself and find a spot with a bunch of the 300 mesh gold and do some more testing. I'll put a couple S-1 sluices at the end and get them set really well and we'll see how we do.

Thanks,
Joel

Ben_Rumson
06:10:38 Fri
Feb 27 2009
Re: New Highbanker
In the door 7 days from purchase. Came FedEx.
ABS plastic is a bit thicker then the LeTrap. Fine gold recovery area lower sluice shows a strong resemblance to the LeTrap riffle.
Solid frame and trays when setup. Less flex in it then the LeTrap when out of frame. 3" inch dredge adapter clamps and adjusts well.
Makes a good first impression. Not one of "where did my money go". More like " I'm glad those guy's didn't get back to me with the Keene qoute".
I'll have her in the field next week. Weather permitting.

viniv
16:23:51 Fri
Feb 27 2009
Re: New Highbanker
The damn thing works fine just buy one:devil:


Guys watch and listen to ANY of my video hey its not so technical and nothings perfect.

I ran soft clay and like goldrush says the tray holds the clay in until its blasted to pieces if I had layed the top section flatter it would have held it even longer but it broke down a handful of the clay I was in in seconds.

Spray bar never clogged are those 1/4 inch holes goldpro ?


I got gold in all sizes found 50-100 mesh in the upper section even yes there deep riffles.

NO dont buy one so I can find all the gold thanks......:gonetoofar:

goldrush I think if I get one I want longer legs so its off the ground hire is that a problem getting some special legs made ? maybe a foot longer ?

goldrushpro
05:01:36 Sat
Feb 28 2009
Re: New Highbanker
Hey viniv,

yeah - you could order one with longer legs but since these are welded and plated in batches, you might have to wait a couple weeks to get them. Or you could have them right away with paint instead of plating.


Thanks,
Joel

TrapperRick
05:09:56 Mon
Mar 2 2009
Re: New Highbanker
I am not an engineer but my dad was acclaimed as one of the best, and my two brothers are both engineers. I missed my calling but it does come rather natural for me. I watched all the videos, and saw immediately that it was intelligent, very carefully thought out designs. I had a problem with the gold pan until I saw that it was a *skewed* cylinder configuration; that made sense, a negative slope for really dumping the trash, a positive slope with rim, and two 90 degree sides. Also, the nibs in the bottom of the pan serve the same purpose as when I stick my fingers into the mud to help stratify it.

I can't wait to see the results on the products but I've already made up my mind; I want one of these. As far as the price goes, I think it's very reasonable. Anyone that has ever been in business knows you have to make a reasonable profit or you won't be in business next year. I had rather pay a reasonable price for the best product than twice the price for an inferior product that weighs three times as much and doesn't recover as much. I'll give that baby an Alaskan workout!

auldrider
10:55:28 Wed
Mar 4 2009
Re: New Highbanker
Hello, new member here.

Dead keen to hear more comentaries reviews etc on this G-1 unit.

It seems to have gone a little quiet, like what's happening?

Has anyone used the dredging attachment yet? Cheers, John.

tabwyo
14:59:35 Wed
Mar 4 2009
Re: New Highbanker
Most of the places I work are still under snow and ice right now. As soon as things melt a bit more I'll be hitting it pretty hard.

blacksands_man
19:24:26 Wed
Mar 4 2009
Re: New Highbanker
goldrushpro ...

Just to get the conversation going ...
Whats the operating slope / angle of the lower sluice on the G-1 ?

blacksands man


goldrushpro
03:50:33 Thu
Mar 5 2009
Re: New Highbanker
blacksands_man,

The lower sluice has a built in drop angle visual indicator.

Start out with the lower sluice having very little drop - at that point a small sand bar will appear on the UPSTREAM side of the middle slick plate which is located half way down the lower sluice. Add drop a little at a time until the sand bar goes away. If under full production the sand bar re-appears, then add a little more drop.

Thats it - it's set perfectly. No bubble level, no measuring tape,

Thanks,
Joel

blacksands_man
06:54:49 Thu
Mar 5 2009
Re: New Highbanker
Smooth design, I like the thinking that went into the design...

The average sand grain (.5 mm sized) will be re-transported at a 3-4 degree slope , and that ideally is where you would want it assuming its classified material.

Of course the people with alot of blacksands in there area will freak out figuring they will get alot of of ot in the grooves at that shallow angle. I know the G-1 upgrades to the heaviest black sands.

Would you indicate after the S-1 treatment the blacksands that are left ..have you smelted them? & what % in weight would be precious metals ( i know it can vary but whats your experience if you know).

blacksands man

tabwyo
00:04:12 Fri
Mar 6 2009
Re: New Highbanker
Got my burly bilge pump in yesterday. I'll get it hooked up and running cons tomorrow.

goldrushpro
05:34:03 Sat
Mar 7 2009
Re: New Highbanker
blacksands_man,

Yeah it does vary in the S-1. If you have enough gold in your concentrates, you can run it until it's almost full of gold like the pictures on my website. But that takes about six or seven thousand dollars worth of gold to do that.
I just got some crucibles in today and I'm going to do a Oxi Acet. torch smelt on the black sands that come out of the S-1 and see if Ican get a nice button while eliminating the black sands.

If that works I'll do a youtube video on that, plus how I pan and snuff the con's that come out of the S-1.

Thanks,
Joel

tabwyo
00:36:06 Sun
Mar 8 2009
Re: New Highbanker
Ran my G1 today on a couple 5g buckets of material from a gravel deposit in a dry wash I came across out rockhounding. The 2000gph pump is minimum pump for this unit. But it worked right through 18 mesh classified dirt. Found a pinch of -50 mesh gold. Enough to go pull a 20 bucket sample out of. The highbanker was a bit of a pain to get leveled out. But you don't need a level. Just eyeball and it comes out alright. Once it's dialed in it moves along really well.

viniv
04:53:37 Mon
Mar 9 2009
Re: New Highbanker
We ran the G1 again today ALL DAY LONG I love that unit worked great got gold of all sizes, from the first drop riffle all the way down.

We did get a little confused for a minute had the trays setup backwards DUH. We had a 8 year old kid helping us today a future prospector for sure he loved hangin out with the guys and he even found a speck of gold with the pro gold pan from USprospector, great day of fun and a little gold to boot.

baub
13:58:28 Mon
Mar 9 2009
Re: New Highbanker
There's a sand bar on a local river that gets submerged when the spring thaw hits. I've heard that there is little gold in such places, however the contour of the bar is flattish and it has a bit of a depression in the middle. My question is if anyone has successfully run a G-1 or any other type of small gold recovery op on one of these type of bars ?

Thanks,

b

tabwyo
14:21:02 Mon
Mar 9 2009
Re: New Highbanker
Hey Baub, IME, gold is where you find it. It's for situations just like you described that I have the gear to set the G1 up as a recirculator here at the house. I can grab samples from anyplace that catches my eye and bring the samples home vs loading up all the equipment and going out in the feild for something that may not yield anything at all.

Don't let people discourage you from looking in odd places. I had a state geologist over yesterday and produced gold from a deposit he flat out told me wouldn't contain gold. And not just an od spec. I found 11 small flakes that were +50 and a mix of very fine stuff. All out of 2 faive gallon buckets of material. Doesn't sound like much. But it's pretty good for Wyoming. And really good for a place that isn't suppossed to have any gold at all.

baub
22:53:35 Mon
Mar 9 2009
Re: New Highbanker
Thanks Tab, I'll heed the advise !

b

auldrider
01:10:50 Tue
Mar 10 2009
Re: New Highbanker
Hello people, this thread is starting get interesting, (active) please keep all those cards and letters rolling in.

I am dying to know just how you all rate this (G-1) product!

Has anybody used the dredging attachment yet? Cheers, John.

tabwyo
02:36:04 Tue
Mar 10 2009
Re: New Highbanker
Haven't dredged with it yet. Hell, I haven't even had it running on a propper pump yet. But I am really impressed with it's performance so far. I panned every bit of the tailings from running this last years sluice concentrates through the G1 and I didn't find a spec. This is stuff that has already been panned through once and the easy stuff removed. The material was loaded almost black with iron sands. It was awesome watching the colors shift in the riffles. Black with hints of gold up top, to black then to a rose hue from the garnets all the way down to a few riffles of persistant blonde. And with the dirt from my "there aint no gold there" hole. The whole sluice stayed almost completely full of blonde sands. This pretty much tells me that the riffles work as advertised. They hold onto most everything until it's displaced by something heavier. I like the action on the lower tray so much I am going to rig up a spray bar for it and run it as a cleanup sluice for pre-classified materials.

Don_P
15:03:54 Fri
Mar 13 2009
Re: New highbanker
Quote: goldrushpro at 04:25:58 Tue Jan 27 2009

Wo Wo Wo!

I usually only read AGF but I've gotta jump in here.
I just read about My new G-1 highbanker costing too much?

Where do I start? - Lets start with my history. I've been developing fine gold recovery devices and systems for seventeen years - and I don't mean playing around two or three hours on the weekend - I mean six or seven days a week up to fourteen hours a day. Over these years my desk and my computer and my house are stuffed with prototypes, drawings, welders, pieces of scrap everything. Over this infatuation I've lost a marrage, a job, a house, and every personal thing of value. At one point I had lived for over two and a half years as a single parent on an income of $325.00 a month. I have scratched every crack in the ground "so to speak" for seventeen years. My point here is that I've been in the lowest level of poverty and I care about things not being too expensive. Now I am the founder and owner of US Prospector, a placer mine consultant, owner of two commercial gold mines, and now starting to work with gravel pits to recover gold as a by product. I just checked the price of keene and Proline's full size highbankers and they are $1,300.00 dollars mine is lighter, folds more compact, runs on less water, will handle many times the volume without overloading the sluice, has much better fine gold recovery and ........only cost's $740.00 for the same dredge/highbanker combo unit!
I hope that everyone can see that I am deticated and concerned and want to offer equipment to the prospector that is the very best there is at prices that are close to half of what other manufacturers charge.

P.S. The S-1 finishing system is exactly how good I say it is. I just got a reply from clicktheyellowchick who has a problem with the pump on Hers and as soon as I get Her water pump fixed she will give you an honest report on the system.

Thank You for listening,
Joel Farmer
US Prospector
208-608-2689(Mountain Standard time)


Mr Farmer,
I read your post on Thursday night and fought the urge to reply, but now I can’t resist. It has been decades ago, but I too had a product and had the same type decisions you have had as to production costs, marketing, etc .. and then the big question; “what could I sell it for”. The decision about sales price is as difficult and exciting to an inventor as working for and finding a pay streak can be for a miner. This situation represents the best and the worst aspects of society. The best aspect deals with the innovation and perspiration necessary to turn an idea into a functional product. The worst aspect involves entitlement and greed. You are making claims as to the benefit of your product which may all be true (I don’t personally know), but you are selling two pieces of molded plastic and a metal frame. If you have as much as $35.00 invested in each unit I would be shocked. But this is supply and demand and if people will pay your asking price, it is their personal choice, which I wholeheartedly support. What disgusts me is the feeling of entitlement you express when you talk about your seventeen years of misery in product development. You chose the life you have lived and to pout about it and suggest that customers are financially responsible for fixing all things that you perceive wrong in your past life is difficult to stomach. There are many miners that can say they have worked seventeen years with many hardships to get the gold they have accumulated, but that does not mean the smelter has to pay them more then the current value of their gold because of the life they chose to live. You have taken a typical inventor gamble in the pricing of your product. The choices are usually: do I try to make a lot of money on each unit and not worry about competition, or price it reasonably so you won’t get much competition. Unfortunately for many miners who would like to try your device, you have chosen the high price scenario. Unfortunate for you is that competition will not be far behind you. After all, you are selling two pieces of molded plastic and a metal frame.
Good luck, Don


auldrider
22:54:25 Fri
Mar 13 2009
Re: New highbanker
U.S. Prospector offers a product at a price set by them.

Why all the fuss about the price?

Either the product works and suits your needs or it doesn't.

Either you are prepared to pay their price or you are not.

End of story! :confused:

Frankly I would buy one in a heart beat if I was living in the States, the price is a pittance IMHO.

In my case our dollar exchange rate compared to US$ means (currently) I will have to pay double for both the article and the freight.

Now that does cause me to balk and want to know a bit more about it's capabilities.

That is why I would like to hear from those of you in the USA that have bought one and have evaluated it's worth in the field.

It might just be worth me paying double if it is as good as it appears to be and suits my requirements.

So many men so many opinions and the right to express them, isn't that what freedom is all about? :smile: John.

AlbertaGold
23:37:08 Fri
Mar 13 2009
Re: New highbanker
Dear Don,

First, I’m a happy owner of Joel’s kit. Second, like you I have been watching this board for quite sometime and am a newbie to the board. Thank you for getting me off my duff and registered.

The equipment I received from Joel did what he said it would do. I was very new to the gold hunt and it worked great for me. Better than the junk I had bought (yes, I do buy a piece of junk every so often).

I beg to differ with you on your interpretation of Joel’s post. I think he was just explaining that he put the effort in to make a product that was user friendly and lived up to expectations. I wish other manufacturers would do the same.

Are you talking from experience, were you one of those people who gouged the consumer? You also claim to understand the business decisions he and others face. Maybe today the cost of materials and labour are x but there are development and research costs from the past that must be recovered.

How many of these highbankers did he make? How many failed to do the job? We as the consumer pay for this everyday. Do you think GM or Ford, don’t build into their prices all their R&D costs? They do, even for models that never see the light of day. If these costs are not recovered and some profit made there is no incentive to develop new products.

So Don, lets take a look at some of the costs after the R&D that are built into a product.

1. The pan came from a mold, do you have any idea how much a mold cost, it will shock you.

2. Thermo former to mold plastic sheets, The cost of just these two things will stop most from going on with manufacturing and bringing it to market.

3. Maybe he pays a shop to thermoform for him. This certainly is not cheap to farm out.

4. Dealers commission built in to unit, If they are going to sell it they will need commission to pay there overhead.

5. Advertising in magazines, gold shows etc.

6. Web site costs. If you don't know how to do it yourself then you pay someone to maintain it and keep it update.

7. Rent unless he has his own shop then payments and taxes. Do you know which it is?

8. Electricity, water. And if in town sewer .

9. Tables benches, tools like welder, steel cutting machines, hand tools etc .

10. Insurance for business and equipment.

11. Transportation and gas, picking up supplies etc.

12. If lucky enough to have a product that the public wants you can add the cost of an employee to keep up with orders because a single person can only do so much in a day.

13. With the employee comes workers comp, unemployment taxes, matching taxes etc. etc.

Then you come along and say he is charging to much because of greed.

What stood out to me was your greed on wanting something for nothing.

If you buy the kit the cost is $899.00, for that you getting a high banker, finishing unit which includes vibratory feeder and sluice, and also two gold pans. All this for less than an ounce of gold.

By the way I have the kit. The highbanker and finishing unit are all he says it is. There are a lot places in Canada and the US where there is flood gold and flour gold. It does a great job on the ultra fine gold and yes it captures course to nuggets also.

I know from experience to build a mold is costly. The one I had to build for an item that was the size of a razor blade was $10,000. The mold Joel uses are considerable larger scale than mine.

As a consumer, we make the decision on price by either buying or not. But to say that this man’s time and effort to develop a product is worthless is uncalled for, Why do you think his time is worth nothing?

Then if he is lucky he sells some units, then the government takes their ounce of blood. Got to feed that monster.

Why do you care so much if he has competition? His competition is already two steps behind him with me. I would rather pay a little more for a product that works, then buy a cheap piece of junk that doesn’t work. For the record, I don’t think Joel has this item overpriced. Go ahead and buy the cheaper units, you will keep buying and buying, you may never get the results you want. In the end, you will have spent more.

Now I would like to apply your interuptation method to your post: You feel you’re entitled and should be given everything in life for nothing rather than working for it. You whine about everything because you have nothing better to do.

Why don’t you develop a cheap highbanker for the masses and compete against Joel? As you claim it doesn’t cost much to do. I’m not talking about building a couple for your buddy’s, build the business and product line.

Well, I was only going to put my two cents in, again I over donated.

Here for a little Business 101 crash course, maybe it will help you

I respect her opinion and insight.

ClickTheYellowChick, I hope you don't mind if I repost three paragraphs from the first page of this thread.

From The Yellow Chick

My second observation is that I see a bigger picture here, than taking an apparently BRAVE manufacturer to task on price. This discussion is really about "what features are incorporated for what price?" I know that is the way I approach any acquisition decision. I don't start with price! I either start with "I need this, and someone recommended yours" or "what does this thing do???" After doing my own homework, then I start shopping. I don't expect the mfgr to do my RETAIL shopping for me!!!!

ALL MANUFACTURERS have conducted a "features for a price" studies before putting a product on the market, let alone MSRP'ing it. Too many times, there are not "in between products offered small miners with in between pricing points to choose from." There are "fartin' around tools" and there is "production equipment." Some of us have left the "fartin' around" gold-finding stage.

THEY have done the homework, and built the better mousetrap, completed the competitor studies, put a pencil to costs, AND incorporate intangibles such as "OVERHEAD" which includes dealer support, and after sales support and warranty work.





tabwyo
23:48:03 Fri
Mar 13 2009
Re: New highbanker
For one, the fact that it can be broken down into it's seperate pieces and transproted/stored in 1/4 (if not less) of the space of a traditional highbanker has a value.
Second, the almost rediculous lack of effort it takes to clean up and get back to shoveling has some cha-ching value as well.
Third, if and when I do crack it. I can fix it with a can of glue. That has some "damn.. I don't have to by a new part" $$$ signs in front of it.
No media to futz with. Relatively light weight. Ease of set-up and adjustment. Being functional at a wide array of flow rates. Are all things I took into consideration befor purchasing.
And I can't see where his unit is any more expenssive than the the going market price for and "mid to higher end" highbanker/combo. Or are you basing your "it's overpriced" idea on the fact that it doesn't have 10,000 removable, adjustable, looseable, breakable and hard to replace do-dads??


JOE_S_INDY
23:59:22 Fri
Mar 13 2009
Re: New highbanker
AG,

Well said.

Joe

baub
00:06:55 Sat
Mar 14 2009
Re: New highbanker
FWIW,

I believe this $900 kit is worth the price. After eyeing the comments, all positive, on this column, I've decided to pay Joel a visit and kick the tires..... err tap the plastic.
Easy cleanup, light weight, excellent recovery, why I may even cancel my Icon purchase !

b

kaveman
01:33:13 Sat
Mar 14 2009
Re: New highbanker
I'll admit I really don't know what all the fuss is about. Looks like a very nice set-up at a very reasonable price to me. I'd like to know a little more about it; get some more first-hand accounts and such. I'm right on the brink of ordering a full kit, and I don't even have any desire to highbank. I just want to play with it(and maybe experiment with it as a cleanup kit).

As for ragging on the price,.................you've got a choice. Either pay it or don't. If you think you can build better for less,................go right ahead and DO it. Lots of people here on this forum do that and they get plenty of respect for their ingenuity. I really don't understand the idea that since this is plastic and steel, somehow somebody knows exactly what it's worth. What's your money 'worth'? It's just a bunch of paper,.............can't be worth much. You could pay with gold, but that's just some shiny dirt and pebbles you dug out of the ground. How can that be worth anything? Neither paper nor pebbles are of much use. Who wouldn't trade a bucket load of each for some nicely bent up plastic and steel gizmo that'll produce even more shiny pebbles and wallet paper? What kinda crazy are you guys?

dredger
01:43:45 Sat
Mar 14 2009
Re: New highbanker
hahahahah, and that goes to show you that " the closer you get to gold, the crazier you will get, atleast it is a happy :devil: crazy,

nice one kaveman,

AlbertaGold
02:02:27 Sat
Mar 14 2009
Re: New highbanker
Tabwyo, for me that was an add bonus.
I find the weight nice, I'm not a big person.
Setting up doesn't take all day. I want to find gold not pull wrenches all day.

AlbertaGold
02:16:34 Sat
Mar 14 2009
Re: New highbanker
Kaveman, want or need but glad I have it now.

Joe, Thanks. I'll try not to write essays to often.

JOE_S_INDY
03:37:00 Sat
Mar 14 2009
Re: New highbanker
Hey AG,

If you have something to say just type away - eh?

Joe

azdave35
15:35:00 Sat
Mar 14 2009
Re: New highbanker
someone asked why all the fuss about the price?...because in this economy most people cant justify paying $600 for 5 bucks worth of plastic and 10 bucks worth of steel....the defense is a keene highbanker cost $1000...the reason a keene costs 1000 is there is alot of parts and labor involved in a keene or pro line ...60% of the cost is the motor and pump..then you have the cost of the aluminum and steel..then you have many man hours in assembly...by the time its all said and done they arent making that much per unit...this g-1 concentrator takes about 20 minutes for the manufactor to assemble...and the pump is not included...so the 600 he is charging is almost all profit...but then they say..well i have years of research and development involved...and you dont think keene or proline does...everyone that sells and manufactors mining equipment has years of research and devolopment involved..but they dont try to get it back on the first customer...so you will have a hard time convincing me that a few bucks worth of plastic and steel is worth 600 bucks....but then again....i guess wallet mining has always been more profitable than gold mining itself

kaveman
16:28:28 Sat
Mar 14 2009
Re: New highbanker
According to Keene's website, their highbanker costs $1750. True, it does include a pump on a BS engine, but it looks to me like you could be running the same material across a G-1 w/engine and pump for around a grand, so the question is,................is it worth a $750 savings to have the lighter weight, less complication and quicker cleanup? No real effort required to struggle with that question, so the only real concern of mine is how does it stack up to the Keene as far as recovery? If it's as good, again, no contest. From what I'm hearing, people with both are selling their conventional highbankers and keeping the G-1. I still want to look at one, but as far as I can see, the cost isn't a factor in the decision.



baub
16:39:12 Sat
Mar 14 2009
Re: New highbanker
A new Corvette costs $40 k to $118k. Plastic and steel. Taking the same car to a car crusher to reduce it to it's basic salables would yield about $1k.
Doing the same thing to a G-1 at $600 would yield about $5 in plastic and a bit more for the steel.
The Vette produces no measurable $ return.
The G-1 appears to be able to pay for itself in maybe a week?

Now which one would I buy ?

A new blue ZR-1 of course!

But only after I get enuf gold to pay for it. The bottom line is that a ready built G-1 has a value more than a vette because of its payback potential. I can spend $1k on it and get my car with some sweat.
You can extend this analogy to compare time to build etc a new style sluice verses a ready made. From the sound of the money for the equipment to build these plastic trays, it might take a while to recover the initial outlay for the equipment etc.

Thanks,

b

tenderfootminer
18:11:52 Sat
Mar 14 2009
Re: New highbanker
silly stuff here if ya want one buy one if ya dont dont.Do people go to the store and say I really want that can of corn but its to expensive so I will tell everyone i know it only has 2cents worth of corn in a 3cent can !wow !if its to much for ya dont get one.as for me looks like a nice product at a fair price..:confused:

azdave35
18:21:44 Sat
Mar 14 2009
Re: New highbanker
well then..like you say...if you think its such a fair price..go buy one

tenderfootminer
19:53:25 Sat
Mar 14 2009
Re: New highbanker
I would love one but needs to be alot bigger for my loaders :devil:

azdave35
19:56:01 Sat
Mar 14 2009
Re: New highbanker
exactly...its alot of money for a pirce of small mining equip

tenderfootminer
20:00:57 Sat
Mar 14 2009
Re: New highbanker
I spent alot more on small equiptment when I was smaller,Imo you pay for what ya get.Try pricing a 40ft. triple run box ouch but if it is what ya need well ..........:smile:

tabwyo
22:59:55 Sat
Mar 14 2009
Re: New highbanker
Quote: azdave35 at 19:56:01 Sat Mar 14 2009

exactly...its alot of money for a pirce of small mining equip


If you are thinking that way than darned near every recreational highbanker/dredge combo is a whole lot of money.

With the G-1, a 5.5hp pump, 2" dredge kit and hoses I still came in under $1000. Sure, you can pick up a Jobe 2" combo unit for about the same and then have to add another couple hundred in extras to get it equiped to recover the fine gold I have in my area.

badbruce
23:17:44 Sat
Mar 14 2009
Re: New highbanker
One of the first and most important lessons I learned as a new contractor was,
tools make the job; make the job easier; make the job more profitable.

The marketplace will decide if it's too expensive and/or junk.

As for me I'm gonna buy one.
Cheers,
Bruce

auldrider
01:42:51 Sun
Mar 15 2009
Re: New highbanker
By the looks of it there's going to be a long waiting list of buyers by the time our dollar regains it's strength against the greenback! :confused:

Darn-it, don't you just hate it when that happens! :devil:

MadJack
10:54:21 Sun
Mar 15 2009
Re: New highbanker
If you want to spend less money & build your own frame, read this thread and buy these;
http://bb.bbboy.net/alaskagoldforum-viewthread?forum=2&thread=725

If you like what you have read about USProspectors products in this thread, buy from www.USProspector.com .

There is no need for all this DRAMA! Buy something or don't, nobody cares!

I have read both threads, cover to cover (so to speak), and I'm buying the one that is ***shovel ready*** with proven fine-gold-recovery because that is what I need, NOW!

TrapperRick
17:00:12 Tue
Mar 17 2009
Re: New highbanker
I have a policy that I live by: I can't afford cheap tools.

tabwyo
02:35:40 Wed
Mar 18 2009
Re: New highbanker
I am going to give the unit a workout this Saturday. I hiked back up that dry wash where there wasn't supposed to be gold and found a very thick depost of the exact same material sitting on a dense sandstone base. Original seem I tested was about 7 inches top to bottom on a bed of sand with clay stringers. This other spot has a layer with the exact same composition... but it's three feet top to bottom. And sittin on cemented sandstone that you need a jackhammer to dent. No running water so I'll have to run it with the 2000gph pump. But my jobe classifiers came in this week so I can put the wife to work screening material down while I do the pick-n-shovel work. I can most likely get a 20 five gallon bucket test out of 55g's of water. I may snag a 120 mesh shaker screen from the yard and try to rig it to screen off the tailing so I can get a longer run out of the water. But if it turns out to be a OK spot it's only 10 minutes from town. WATER RUN!!!! Even if I don't find squat it's better than sitting in the house.

Heavens_Pavement
05:39:30 Wed
Mar 18 2009
Re: New highbanker
Please take pictures during operation, andof course..after :smile:

MadJack
21:25:57 Thu
Mar 19 2009
Re: New highbanker
Finally caught up with Joel today . . . and my G-1 is ordered!
Man, that guy is busy. He said it MAY ship in two weeks but I told him we still have 4 feet of snow up here!:duuuh:

tabwyo
21:50:05 Thu
Mar 19 2009
Re: New highbanker
If the weather holds there should be running water up on the Pass. I'll be heading up to known gold country vs piddling around in a drywash that has almost nothing.

goldstonehigh
17:50:23 Fri
Mar 20 2009
Re: New highbanker
Hi I am new and happy to be here. I read the first page and then the 6 and 7th page of this thread here do to time restrictions now. I am thinking about buying the plastic U. S. Prospector's G-1 which impresses me. I have a plastic green Le Trap with my homemade highbanker out of wood. (I had an older black Le Trap and someone did not return it to me.) It does work great but will not handle the volume of gravel I want. I have thought about building a 2 box Le Trap higbanker unit, side by side to handle more gravel.

My querries for any users of the G-1 is:

1) Would it be of any use to put 2 Le Trap's (on a homemade stand) on the end of the G-1 to catch the water (and gravel) coming off of it ??

2) What I mean is does the G-1 lose any gold worth catching with the 2 Le Trap's OR does it do an excellent job and that is not necessary to do ??

3) Can the G-1 be fed with a 5 gallon bucket sucessfully all day instead of using a shovel ??

4) Is there an approximate rating of yards /per/ hour of the G-1 (or a fraction there of) that the G-1 can process ?? Down to what mesh size ??

5) Finally, do you and would you rake down and metal detect the tailings piles for larger nuggets that fall off of the grizzly sizing screen ??

Thank you for any help is appreciated, even if you answer just one question above is 100%! (No tip is too small, as any input is great.)

tabwyo
23:16:15 Fri
Mar 20 2009
Re: New highbanker
I like the 2 LeTrap idea........

To answer from what I know.
1)Go for it!!!!!!!!!! At the very least it'll extend your run time w/o fear of the pretty stuff falling of the end.


2)From the limited experience I have had with the G-1it recovers really really really fine stuff. Crap that's hard to see without a loop. I figure if it's holding onto that than it isn't loose much of anything I'd be able to recover w/o leaching or mercury.

3) On this one I think you'd just have to eyeball it. I like to see the tops of my riffles at the very least. When you run anything already classified down to 1/4 inch almost 100% of it is going to the lower sluice. I think you can get away with shoveling as fast as you can because a goodly portion of stream gavels is going to have plenty of rocks over 1/4 inch. So maybe only 50% of your shovel full is getting down to the riffles. If you slam a shovel full of pre-classified material to it I think you may run the risk of over loading the unit and loosing gold.

4)Haven't the foggiest on this one. But I am sure I'll outrun it this summer.

5)It wouldn't hurt..........

QuartzvilleMiner
18:16:43 Sat
Mar 21 2009
Re: New highbanker
Hello all

I'm new here and just a very part-time miner so please excuse any ignorance. I just have a question for Joel or any comment from others that my lack of common-sense mining might be obvious to you all.

I like what I see in the simple use of the G-1 but can USP make this in a smaller scale to accomodate a smaller flow rate? I'm looking at doing more up at the claim where there is no summer water and would like to run a recirculating system which means battery power pump over a tub and 2500gph is a lot of water to move through a tub. I don't want to buy equipment for this and more equipment for that, just one thing that will cover a variety of different situations. Also the green thing makes a recirculation system a little more palatable to outsiders.

tabwyo
00:36:36 Sun
Mar 22 2009
Re: New highbanker
I run the G-1 as a recirc unit w/ a 2000gph pump. Uses roughly 10 gallons.

Took it up to the mountains today. The claim I was working isn't known for very big gold so I ran the pump at idle with a couple kinks in the hose. Recoverd a good bit out of 8 buckets of material ran. Would have ran more but the kids got wet and cold. I checked the tailings and I did find a few very small pieces that got out og the sluice.

Torqued
00:44:51 Sun
Mar 22 2009
Re: New highbanker
Goldstonehigh,
Talking with Joel for an exteneded periods about some of the same questions led me to this:
The top has larger rifles that catch the nuggets, unless they are very large. The G-1 looses almost no gold when properly setup so an extra sluice gives no real benefit. If you feed with a bucket just shake it out moderately and not dump the whole thing.

QuartzvilleMiner
Joel uses a wx10 Honda pump as his smallest pump. He said you need to regulate the feed of the material better, but it works. The wx10 puts out 1980 gph at full throttle and is a 1" pump that weighs only 13 pounds. A good electric bilge pump will put out the same.

Hope this helps.

tabwyo
02:20:49 Sun
Mar 22 2009
Re: New highbanker
I have ditched the homemade tail sluice idea. I am just going to run the overflow into a Le Trap. I have a few lengths of rain gutter and various gutter pieces. I am just going to use a gutter tee in the center with a couple short lenghts of gutter and cap the outside ends. Then run a down spout down to the le trap. I can hang this right off the end of the G-1.

I think my problems have more to do with the size of the gold I am going after vs the performance of the G-1. The gold is so small that it's easily displaced by other material that catches in the riffles. If I run the pump fast enough to clear that material I just wind up blowing out most of my fine gold. I want to keep my rate of production up so I figure a tail sluice is about the best answer. I'll make a hopper w/ 30 mesh screen for the Le Trap and catch the cast off material from that hopper in a mortar tub you be run over with my detector.

QuartzvilleMiner
15:12:39 Sun
Mar 22 2009
Re: New highbanker
Is the diplaced material black sands? I was wondering how this would do as a beach sands processor with of course massive black sands and wondering if I clean out the riffles during use with a mag wand. If it's loading up with something non-magnetic then that wouldn't help.

JOE_S_INDY
15:47:30 Sun
Mar 22 2009
Re: New highbanker
Hey there QVM!

A sluice box processes the materials that are shoveled into it. The heaviest 'stuff' should stick in the catchments and the lighter 'stuff' (including black sands) should slowly crawl through the box and out the back. Hand processing the black sands (especially on the fly) is nothing but wasted effort.

If your box is working beach concentrates you are not just working blond sand, but rather you are concentrating concentrates. In doing that you either just have to slow down to match your sluice's speed or make a wider sluice to match or slightly exceed your desired processing volume.

On the beach at Nome I used a 24 inch wide box and fed it slowly and continously with 1/4 shovel fulls of black/red sands in a left, center, right, left, center, right, left ......... pattern. Push the box with water flow or too much material and a high percentage of gold quietly washes right through.

Joe





goldrushpro
19:11:00 Sun
Mar 22 2009
Re: New highbanker
QuartzvilleMiner,

Yes Sir, I've been working on that and here are some pictures of the G-2 highbanker which is about the size of the average "full size" highbanker but is about 35% smaller that the G-1. I must say that it is not ready for market and "may never be!" I don't want anyone getting there hopes set on this unit because I'm not sure that I like it enough to put my name on it.

It isn't that much cheaper to manufacture - it doesn't use that much less formed plastic - it is 35% narrower but is just as long as the G-1. I'm not sure it's of any benefit because the G-1 is already super light and folds compact for getting into nasty places and it can proccess as much as you can shovel - the G-2 would be a few pounds lighter but would not be able to produce nearlt as much! And besides, what you see here is really just the stream sluice that I'm working on with a hopper sitting on top of it. I'm much more interest in the lower sluice than I am with the G-2.



Thanks,
Joel

peluk
19:26:29 Sun
Mar 22 2009
Re: New highbanker
If you do wind up putting a LeTrap on the tail end,try this.Don't run it into the feed end to where it just splashes down just before the riffle area.Give it a smooth approach even if it means fashening an extended slick entry.If it is small specimen or flake that may have escaped,you want it to have a chance to work down to the bottom of the flow over the slick.You could even try a moss section in the top half of the slick surface.

In the video of the G1,the feed rate was admirable but questionable.It appears the material could be washed well with the existing spray setup but I think I'd want it to linger longer in the hopper.This could be acheived by various means none of which would be difficult to do.
Any material that goes down that sluice without being opened up and well watered can't be properly exposed to the cleaning action in the slots.


goldrushpro
19:51:22 Sun
Mar 22 2009
Re: New highbanker
peluk,

Yes, if you working in material that needs more washing you can set the hopper down flatter and it will wash it very, very well.

Thanks,
Joel

tabwyo
00:06:41 Mon
Mar 23 2009
Re: New highbanker
Peluk,

Would it help if I put a 4 inch wide strip of astro (daisy mat) right in front of the first riffle?? I am thinking this would help smooth out the flow befor going into the riffle section, catch anything kinda coarse that bounced out and create a mini back up kind of boil box effect. I know a sheet metal fella here who's damned handy with a break. He'd most likely be able to fasion a 12 inch flair/slick plate for me.

peluk
04:09:00 Mon
Mar 23 2009
Re: New highbanker
Tab,I think either moss or astro would work.Either would tame the flow.I use astro in my Letrap highbanker at the top of my extension piece.I leave a good 12"-16" between its lower edge and the first grooves of the LeTrap.
Remember,you should only be hunting for very fine if the G1 is set up properly.With that in mind and given the speed of water entering the intended LeTrap extension,either astro or a mat of moss over carpet should work on about a par.That is to say,you should catch the material in the LeTrap not in either of those two mat options.Water may be going to fast yet at about the right speed for the Letrap.

You may find nothing of significant loss anyway if you are catching good quantities of really fine in the G1.

If you are catching very fine gold all the way down the face of the G1,you have poor control and you should adjust where possible.

tabwyo
14:45:49 Mon
Mar 23 2009
Re: New highbanker
Well, the area I am working right now has BB sized gold on down to dust. Now as fun as it is to see the pellet sized stuff I'd much rather retain the much more plentifull fine gold. The larger stuff usually doesn't even make it out of the hopper. I futzed around with the G-1 all day and never did hit that "sweet spot". I'd either have to shut down after every bucket of material to clean up because the riffles packed off but find no gold in the tailings. Or I'd have the flow and angle right to clear the riffles of the pebbles and blow my gold out right out the end. but trust me, clean up is so simple I don't mind cleaning up as often as needed.

Another issue I have run into is the nugget traps packing off with rock. The rock we have here seems to break of in rectangular chunks. And then breaks into smaller and smaller rectangles. A good portion of the rocks I found in the upper hopper were almost a perfect fit laying in the nugget traps and not budging. I don't want to take the time to classify so I rigged up a 16 mesh insert for the G-1 hopper that runs from top to bottom. It has 1/4 inch clearance from screen to hopper all the way down to allow everything that washes through to flow along as it should. I should get a chance to test it here in the next couple weeks.

alienbogey
01:13:09 Tue
Mar 24 2009
Re: New highbanker
Joel,

Some questions I have regarding the G1 after wading through this whole thread, looking at the video and your website:

1. I have a Honda WX10 pump, which is evidently the bare minimum to consider when running the G1. If, due to lift or other factors it wasn't enough, is there any reason 2x4's or something couldn't be clamped to the sides of the sluices (top and bottom) to reduce the water flow requirements to what the pump can provide?

2. Can you tell me the total square footage of the riffle are of the G1, counting both top and bottom? The reason I ask is that the new regulations in my home state of Washington set a maximum of 10 square feet of riffle area as a cutoff for certain rules.

(Note: If it's close to 10 feet on the wrong side perhaps you could measure a little differently and round down, then publish 10 sq ft or less in your specs so those of us in this stupid state would have something to show Ranger Rick if he asks.)

OBTW, that's another reason for my asking about clamping something to the sides of the sluice, that would cut down on the square footage if over 10 feet).

3. If it's well over 10 square feet and there's no getting around it, that might be an impetus for you to build and sell the smaller G2 you showed pictures of a few posts up.

4. What would be a good quality pump (Honda or the like) that you would recommend as just the right match for the G1?

5. Can a 5 gallon bucket be set on the top of the box and material then troweled out of it? That's a handy thing to be able to do for a number of reasons.

6. It's difficult to see in the pictures, but is the area under the spray bars recessed at all?

7. How likely is it that a big nugget or specimen will make it down to the classifier at the bottom of the upper sluice and be screened off into the tailings?

8. A lot - most - of the discussion has concerned recovery of fine to superfine gold. I'm just a recreational guy who will be shoveling pit run material from the hole I just dug or got from a backhoe-dug pile. How will it work with material like that - meaning completely unclassified with rounded or jagged rock depending on the area?

As I watched your video over several times I was left with questions and hereby offer these unsolicited suggestions for improving it:

> You mention how small a package the G1 folds up into. Show it in the video!

> You mention how quickly it sets up on site. Show it in the video - have someone walk up with it packed for transport and set it up.

> I couldn't tell from the video anything about the hopper area under the spray bars or the nature of the riffles or how they are different from the upper sluice or the lower. Some close-ups of the upper and lower sluices would be nice, perhaps during the set up process suggested above.

> Maybe show some of the material being salted with everything from a nugget or two and pickers to some of that superfine stuff it's supposed to catch so well. Later, with editing, show the material in the riffles and the clean up.

These suggestions are FWIW, YMMV.







dredgeguy
03:37:09 Tue
Mar 24 2009
Re: New highbanker


dredgeguy
03:41:17 Tue
Mar 24 2009
Re: New highbanker
The above picture of gold was with the G1. Top Hopper set to allow the rocks to roll off. Bottom tray at 1/2 inch per foot. The water at 40gpm/min .
Jeff then ran the material thru 30 50 and 100 mesh screens. Jeff ran the material thru the S1 concentrator. 20 percent of the gold was -100 mesh. 100 mesh or smaller. 40 percent was between 50 -100 mesh and the other 40 percent was larger than 50 mesh.

dredgeguy
03:44:54 Tue
Mar 24 2009
Re: New highbanker


Jeff out highbanking with the G1. He actually got a ticket from the dfg for polluting the water. We will fight that one in court.



peluk
17:46:48 Tue
Mar 24 2009
Re: New highbanker
This is a perfect opportunity to examine just what it is that the miner in the picture is doing wrong.What is it that the DFG found to be unacceptable?Was it runoff?

Did they state what you as a miner should have been doing to make the situation acceptable? Has it been stated in writing as a policy for mining closeby a salmon stream?Is that a salmon stream? Is the policy applicable to all streams? Is silt a polutant or has the generation of it been adjudged to be a substance that must be controlled?

If the answer is yes.then the operator may be at fault.If he is operating contrary to established state policy,he has to bite the bullet and pay up.

To fight this may mean tighter restrictions where the state has already compromised to satisfy the screaming greenies.
Cost the state time and money in court and the solution is obvious...get your highbanker out of my yard!

Look at it from both sides and change the legislation in place or abide by it.

This derails your thread a bit and it should be picked up elsewhere.There are too many seagulls on the rock now.We have to deal with the situation sensibly.

JOE_S_INDY
18:58:25 Tue
Mar 24 2009
Re: New highbanker
Hey Dredgeguy,

Was Jeff working on a mining claim? Was he on Fed or State administered public land? What State?

Most importantly, did Jeff feel that he wasn't creating a "signifigant Surface Disturbance"? If so then no POO or NOI was required, something to remember 'just in case'.

Could it be that the DFG guy overstepped official guidelines as to whether relocating small quantities of minute solids is defined as pollution.

Joe






goldcoastprospector
19:39:25 Tue
Mar 24 2009
Re: New highbanker
Now that a few people own the G1 my question is how will this unit work with dredge kit? Is it a 2 man op. 1 with nozzel, 1 clearing overburden on the classifing screen or do ya'll think 1 person would be fine since I work solo most of the time? I'd like to here Vini to pipe in on this one. Thanx Mark

FineAU
19:51:41 Tue
Mar 24 2009
Re: New highbanker
The EPA considers sediment a pollutant.
In California, I have a client that was cited by the California Regional Water Quality Control Board for minor muddy tire tracks in the street during construction. In his case the "disturbed area" is slightly larger than an acre and therefore triggered a more extensive "Storm Water Pollution Prevention Plan with a requirement for a "best management plan" and monitoring of the plan at set intervals. The regulation would be more stringent and require testing of visible and non-visible suspended sediment/ turbidity had other conditions been met. The regulations cover both storm water and non-storm water discharges directly or indirectly into U.S. waters.
While the NOI is required in this case because of the one acre plus trigger, if the letter of the regulation is followed precisely, you could be cited for pollution by the EPA for washing your car in the driveway of your home.
http://www.waterboards.ca.gov/stormwtr/docs/finalconstpermit.pdf will open the doors to many other regulations that most are unaware.

peluk
21:02:02 Tue
Mar 24 2009
Re: New highbanker
Joe,if the operator's"feelings"are involved in whether a setup is acceptable or unacceptable, with regard to the law,we are heading for a fall.

That is simply rectified by the elimination of highbankers in the proximity of a creekbank as has been done elsewhere.

We are a small group whose activities benefit only ourselves.As such we are vulnerable and must take every
precaution against giving the enemy a foothold.

I am playing the "devil's advocate" here

JOE_S_INDY
21:42:31 Tue
Mar 24 2009
Re: New highbanker
Hey Chick!

The initial determining factor as to whether or not a POO or NOI is required rests on the operator. Equipment, Structures, substantial earthwork etc would make it a no brainer that they're needed. Looking at Jeff, his shovel and not-in-streambed highbanker makes POOs and NOIs a non-item. Good to pre-think that aspect was all I was trying to say.

As I understand it, the 9th Circuit Court clarified EPA / CWA parameters in that material dredged from a streambed and returned to the same streambed are not polutants. The same would go for Highbankers. In the De Minimus level we're talking about with Jeff, it would seem to be a mute point.

FineAu,
I will pray for you and all others who have to live in California - where policy and proceedure have nothing to do with law or reason. Were you refering to mining claims when you mentioned muddy tire prints and one Acre "Triggers" ? That kind of 'Bull Dust" just doesn't hack it where I mine - because we have laws and not "LA Enviro Touchie Feelie Proceedures".

Joe

dredgeguy
21:50:36 Tue
Mar 24 2009
Re: New highbanker
The CA. DFG did not have a problem with the hole Jeff dug or pumping water out of the river or the two settling ponds or the other highbankers, sluicers or dredges in the area.
The ranger said that the deleterious material was polluting the river and will kill the fish.
The area is BLR land and ran by the BLM with multiple hydroelectric plants up and down the river.

The citation was cadfg 5650 which is the same as dumping a sewage plant into the river. The ranger was a bright and shiny new to the area type of guy and had to look in the book for 20 min. to find an offense he could write a ticket for.

No turbidity tests or pollution assimilation test of the river were done. The power plants turn the river chocolate brown any time they run. The rangers answer was they have more clout.

Any way Jeff had a great time with the G1 and got 4 160 acre claims up the river from this spot with good color.

We are currently making a 4" sump dredge with 2 G1 trays fed by a 2" nozzle from the sump to catch the fine gold on his new claims.

Thanks Rick

dredgeguy
21:53:50 Tue
Mar 24 2009
Re: New highbanker
Even in Calif the laws still apply and Joe is right.

The administrative laws do not apply to the mining rights citizens have.

FineAU
21:54:56 Tue
Mar 24 2009
Re: New highbanker
The area I was mentioning dealt with residential construction over one acre. This can include , however a residence that is grading an area for a large equestrian area.

The dredging pollutant potential rests with the EPA, State Parks, Forest Ranger, Fish and Game, etc to determine that the up-stream turbidity is exceeded downstream from the dredge (I believe) for a maximum distance. Those particulars I am not familiar.

If the sediment from the highbanker (in an area that allows highbanking), is not controlled by what is considered "Best Methods Procedures" and discharges into a waterway, who knows what trouble could occurr.

peluk
22:52:44 Tue
Mar 24 2009
Re: New highbanker
Ok joe,I follow your point.
Dredgeguy and FineAu,thank you for the further clarification.

I have some plans for tundra work where I'm thinking of utilizing portable tubs or ponds.The material is not heavy in clay or fine silt.That being the case,I can recycle with a highbanker(s)set on the lip of the tank/pond.Runoff from the highbanker can be caught in a large tub and periodically removed and stored on tarps for replacement in the hole.I've done this on a smaller scale already.I want to have all my ducks in a row so this is all good info.

tabwyo
23:29:36 Tue
Mar 24 2009
Re: New highbanker
We have a new crop of "RoboCops" here in WY. And I have fought 3 citations and have been cleared on every one. The first step is to havea copy of , AND FOLLOW, the current DEQ water quality regs as it pertains to your mining endevores. And have all propper forms and permits for any work. Secondly, don't try to sound smarter than the cop. That only pisses them off. If you have all of your duck in a row you will win. Yes it is an inconveinece. But life is a series of those. The less you fight the less they buck.

Heavens_Pavement
02:32:05 Wed
Mar 25 2009
Re: New highbanker
If all your "ducks are in order".
Is there anyway to make those that are obviously harassing your LEGAL endeavor, liable.
Maybe by lawsuite or something like losing in small claims loser pays.
Maybe if not "corperate" government, maybe on a personal level,
fustrating..... :sad:

peluk
02:42:58 Wed
Mar 25 2009
Re: New highbanker
I believe you have a case of"undue harassment".You have been found innocent of charges but you have lost time and money defending yourself.I would say you should go to the distrit attorney and seek assistance.

If you are worried about these cretins coming back on you for revenge,there's slim chance.You have a right to exist and having defended your rights to mine you also have a righ to sue.You have a track record.These frustrated emperors will have to be content to eat doughnuts and drive in circles.

There's also the power of the press.Everyone has met one of these types.Cast some light on them.


auldrider
04:26:49 Wed
Mar 25 2009
Re: New highbanker
Quote: dredgeguy at 21:50:36 Tue Mar 24 2009


The power plants turn the river chocolate brown any time they run.



I find this comment unusual in my experience (40 years in Hydro electric power generation) but I don't want to run this thread off course.

If this is true can you PM me and explain why this occurs. Cheers, John.

PS: I am more interested in the G-1 performance and especially the rep[lies about it being used as a suction dredge!

azdave35
04:37:57 Wed
Mar 25 2009
Re: New highbanker
exactly..stay on the subject..start your own thread if you want to talk about laws and politics

peluk
05:15:18 Wed
Mar 25 2009
Re: New highbanker
I agree auldrider.I may have helped get it off course and the discussion of the G1 has been interesting.Steady as she goes.

Heavens_Pavement
06:01:14 Wed
Mar 25 2009
Re: New highbanker
Sorry gentlemen, right, back on track...
the comment
"PS: I am more interested in the G-1 performance and especially the rep[lies about it being used as a suction dredge! "
??
did I miss something.
I bought mine (G-1)with a 2.5 inch dredge adapter.Can't get get to my claim right now(for a while).

tabwyo
20:20:34 Wed
Mar 25 2009
Re: New highbanker
The area I intend to dredge the most is considered a Class II water. So it won't be open until July 1st. As soon as the ice comes up off the bottom of Strawberry I'll be on the claims there a dredgein away. My pump is beefy enough I might just try a little hydraulic work at the base of an outcrop of the gold source rock on the same claim. There is already a pretty good excavated hole (5 foot deep, 3 wide & 6 across) right up there. I can pump it full of water from the creek and then use it as my water source and set the unit up to dump back into it.

I am considering drilling the suction nozel intake and running a bolt through it to help prevent largish rocks from getting sucked up and plugging me up all the time. Anybody else mod their suction nozels like this or am I screwing up???

carver2
21:19:05 Wed
Mar 25 2009
Re: New highbanker
A 2 1/2" suction nozzle needs at least 100gpm pump and probably more to give decent suction, I am a bit worried that that much water is going to overwhelm the box. My reasoning is that Joel says that optimum is 40-50 gpm. Hope I am wrong. Will

alienbogey
06:39:51 Sun
Mar 29 2009
Re: New highbanker
Joel,

I guess you've been busy.

I'm looking forward to your answer to my questions and whether the G1 is less than 10 square feet of riffle area in order to be Washington state legal without extra permitting.

If not, it may have to be the G2 for me, assuming you do produce it.

Perhaps start a new thread; this one is getting awfully long to wade through, especially with the digressions.

Ben_Rumson
16:30:32 Sun
Mar 29 2009
Re: New highbanker
On the G-1 surface area:

I came up with 8.97 square feet of surface area. without clasification screen.

10.22 feet with clasification screen.

Fractured my ankle. Hope to be on my claim next week running the G-1 as a 3 inch dredge.

alienbogey
16:35:38 Sun
Mar 29 2009
Re: New highbanker
Ben

Thanks for figuring that out. I should be good then as the Washington reg says less than 10 square feet of "riffle area".

I'm looking forward to hearing how your G1 works for you.

Sorry about your ankle.

tabwyo
17:57:35 Sun
Mar 29 2009
Re: New highbanker
Certainly interested in hearing how the unit operates under the higher flow conditions needed to run a dredge nozzle.

QuartzvilleMiner
13:48:14 Mon
Mar 30 2009
Re: New highbanker
Good Luck on that Wash claim Alien. Just saw the G-1 at the GPAA gold show in Salem Saturday and it's not near as big as I thought it was from the photos on the website which is good. Still don't know if I can get it to work as a recirculating system yet. Also noted that the lower sluice uses just about the same system design as a Le Trap, not just dips and square riffles like it looked in the photos. Definitely interested in this. On side note...Hope those new rules in Wash don't mess you up. There was a group at the show talking about them restricting the season to Sept-Feb or something like that to protect the fishies. They said their claims were still under 10 ft of snow....

blacksands_man
16:12:35 Wed
Apr 8 2009
Re: New highbanker
goldrushpro,

You know what i would like to see is the G-1 go after say Snake river gold/ your Oregon material & its "catch profile" revealed by the mesh sizes it catches like between 100-150, 150-200, 200-250, 250-300, 300-350, 350-400 for say a days high banking including "weights" caught for the various mesh sizes. This qualitative & quantitative approach could then be graphed, I think this would be the most useful information on the G-1's performance. I would assume the G-1 material would be run though S-1 for recovery.
You can get inexpensive scales on eBay that will measure .01 grams accurately for the test for accurately profiling.

The S-1 could also be judged by the same performance using say ~1 cubic yard of material fired through it "not" previously run through the G-1 (but classified) to Gage its performance graphed as well.

It would be interesting to test the top performing highbankers /sluices out there... La trap - Pop's&Son sluice etc for comparative performance against the G-1 ...any takers on say Snake river material for this test?

The G-1 & S-1 are interesting but I would like to see some solid numbers goldrushpro, it would only help sales.

blacksands man

Danfromny
18:06:11 Wed
Apr 8 2009
Re: New highbanker
Sure I will take on that challenge, but its going to have to be Nome AK. fine beach material, or ocean dredge configuration. I will but my "Black Boxes" up against your G1's, and my tests on my centrifuge should do well against the S1 as well. Any impartial judges out there? Any time in June is fine with me:smile:

azkid
19:33:59 Wed
Apr 8 2009
Re: New highbanker
Quote: Danfromny at 18:06:11 Wed Apr 8 2009

Sure I will take on that challenge, but its going to have to be Nome AK. fine beach material, or ocean dredge configuration. I will but my "Black Boxes" up against your G1's, and my tests on my centrifuge should do well against the S1 as well. Any impartial judges out there? Any time in June is fine with me:smile:


looking forward to the results..

goldrushpro
13:15:44 Thu
Apr 16 2009
Re: New highbanker
blacksands_man,

Sorry for not getting back sooner.

Yes - I would love to perform such a detailed test on the G-1 and S-1. But not in the format of what it can do standing alone. I would love to see it compaired to the recovery of other commercially available equipment. Because I could go to a specific location with a specific gold deposit and build a recovery system that is matched to that deposit. But here is where I think the G-1 is different - It does have a design consideration for a broad range of gold deposits but it also has design considerations such as the super fast clean up's for that occasional gold deposit with seemingly impossible gold - where the only way to catch it is to run 20 or so shovels and clean up. I've heard it called parachute gold - tin foil gold - kite gold etc. So can you judge the G-1 on it's ability to recover gold (sure you can) I see it's improved gold recovery all the time with stories that come back to me and with the commercial mines I work with etc. but is there a formula for taking into consideration it's adaptability and it's production abillity, and it's value in portability etc????? I can whip the pants off the G-1 in a 200 to 500 mesh gold deposit with a back preasure injected centrifuge and the support equipment to run it but that would weigh 1500 LBS and cost 45,000 dollars. Please remember that I set out to make a better Highbanker/powersluice. I want you guys to make me prove myself every step of the way but please keep in mind that I promote this as an improved fine and ultra fine gold recovery highbanker and a much higher production unit - but as much or more for it's ADAPTABILITY and design features that make a prospectors life alot easier when out in the field.

Thanks,
Joel

Danfromny
14:01:51 Thu
Apr 16 2009
Re: New highbanker
I am sorry, I dont want to take advantage of a situation. Since my sluices were made and tested with the smallest "float gold" i could catch with other conventional means. The gold I used for my tests is all from Nome. So wanting to have a "Sluice Off" in Nome would be to my advantage, since I already know that it works there. But Im still up for the challenge, so if somebody wants to compete their machine for fine gold recovery, I will be on the Beach all summer testing equipment. Same as I've been for the last several years. My "Black Boxes" or "trays" were made to travel light since shipping costs take up a large part of a recreational miners budget on the way to Nome. Where as they have the versatility to be set up or framed to fit anyones budget. Most of the miners I know would rather scrap a frame together in a few minutes rather then spend a few hundred bucks buying or shipping one "the last thousand miles".:smile:

Ben_Rumson
18:26:46 Sat
Apr 18 2009
Re: New highbanker

The 3 hole recerculating dredge for low volume creek.

I'm dredinging my 3 inch in the working hole up behind the the G-1. The 2nd hole settles the slurry and the 3rd hole is used as the main source of water.


I found that I can use the Nozzle not only to break up the hard pack but also for cleaning off 90% percent of what catches on the classifier. Larger rocks still need to be tossed even with angle at max.



After laying hoses and setting up the pump putting the G-1 together was fast. Clean up and break down even faster.



I've got some old rubber mat I want to bolt on as a back stop. Dosn't need it but I want to see how it works with the discharge higher up.


Ran it fast for the 2 hours I had this day and I will run it slower the next time I'm out. The reason bieng I could manuver the suction hose just fine but the flat hose was a real bugger to bend with the Honda GX160 at 3/4 power.


Water over the back when vegitation starts to collect on classifier. Easy enough to clean off from dredge hole with water hose.



The size rocks that tend to be caught on the classifier. I could usually go 15 minutes without getting up from long arming the hole I was in to sweep them off.




tabwyo
21:16:45 Sat
Apr 18 2009
Re: New highbanker
What did you catch???

I went with the 2" dredge attatchment. I was afraid that any bigger and I'd out run my sluices recovery ability.

Ben_Rumson
02:23:38 Sun
Apr 19 2009
Re: New highbanker

I still have another foot down to go before hitting a red layer that is pay dirt for me but this is what it looks like and what I took from the G-1.

AceHand
02:50:06 Sun
Apr 19 2009
Re: New highbanker
Great pictures, great report. You did pretty good for 2 hours. Thanks.
Good Luck,
Tom

goldcoastprospector
14:07:25 Sun
Apr 19 2009
Re: New highbanker
Ben looks like you had a nice day. Did you find any gold in the upper riffle tray or was it all in the bottom tray? I would agree with you on raising the discharge and maybe a 2nd cross bar over the classifying screen to get the hose out of there. A couple of handy clamps and some Plexiglass for the back stop and your in biz. Next time your out I'd love to see a shot of the upper and lower riffle trays after shut down before clean up if its not to much trouble. How much trouble would it be to add spacers to raise the dredge adaptor since it appears you can't flip it over? Thanx for the great shots of the G1 in action. One other question, did you find that you are recovering more fine gold than with other previous recovery systems used on your claim? Mark

goldrushpro
03:12:41 Mon
Apr 20 2009
Re: New highbanker
Ben_Rumson,

OH MY GOODNESS! That is a lot of water! You have got to get a damper in that lower box. May I suggest a strip of unbacked miners moss for the damper. This will get the lower sluice under control. I hope you can get the water down a bit while still having decent suction. Let me know if I can help.
Thanks,
Joe


azdave35
03:19:26 Mon
Apr 20 2009
Re: New highbanker
what do you mean by a damper?...where would you put the miners moss?

azkid
05:01:47 Mon
Apr 20 2009
Re: New highbanker
Quote: azdave35 at 03:19:26 Mon Apr 20 2009

what do you mean by a damper?...where would you put the miners moss?


i believe something to slow the water down a bit.... but that what I was thinking..

goldrushpro
13:01:10 Mon
Apr 20 2009
Re: New highbanker
azdave35,

It's a piece of mat that hangs down over the sluice that the water flows under. It smooths out the water flow and gets rid of alot of the bubbles. The G-1 in general doesn't need this (I've tested for gold loss without it and when run as a highbanker doesn't need it) but I've had a few customers request this on thier unit. I like the smoothing effects of miners moss better than just a sheet of rubber - it causes the bubbles to rise up through the matting and pop. Here is the secondary recovery system at a commercial gold mine and because of the 100 to 350 mesh gold we're recovering - both the top and bottom of the G-1 has Alaska dampers on them.



Ben_Rumson
13:33:38 Mon
Apr 20 2009
Re: New highbanker
I got to run her for another 4 hours before seeing your post Joe and I had throttled her back a bit without losing enough suction to do the job. Did a quick check on the bottom 2 sections and wasn't seeing any gold but I was recovering fine white sands wich for me do's have gold in it (You need a lighted 30x scope to see this stuff) as I am not that far from the source so I beleve I'm ok there. All the gold was in that top section but the very first few riffles where blown clean. I do have some unbacked miners moss and will add that to slow her down.
Goldcoast, my biggest piece wich is no more then a picker was caught in the first upper riffle. Yes, more gold then my last system wich was a gold buddy recerculating highbanker set inside a LeTrap with a 2000 GPH Attwood electrical pump. This was classified to 1/4 inch and fed by hand. In that system I never had any gold escape into the LeTrap. The rubber back stop I added worked well and I was able to move the discharge back to the first riffle. The height of the discharge wasn't really an issue though some rocks did get caught there It didn't cuase enough trouble to mess with. I am thinking of a way to raise the hose up and that might be as simple as adding a bungee across the back stands. I'm not prepaired to answer your question about more fine gold yet as I am still tweaking and haven't run my last trips take through my Micro sluice, but I am recovering the same size gold and that is a good sign. I will try to remember to get you that pre clean up pic.

goldcoastprospector
14:24:31 Mon
Apr 20 2009
Re: New highbanker
Joe you've got me on this one. Where hang or lay that dampener mat? Your pics show a totally different plumbing configuration on those boxes. In highbank mode with dredge attachment reversed the other way dampener could be attached, but I don't think it would keep from blowing everything out of the top box. Dampener installed in lower box would be 1/3 of the way down the riffle section to keep material from dropping directly on the dampener, should lower box be longer to accommodate this in dredge mode to achieve this smoothing affect? Seems to me with out a longer box your asking for a lot of things to happen in a very short distance. I'm not busting anybody's chops, I'm in the market for my 1st piece of mechanized mining equipment and I'm leaning towards yours considering the versatility of the G1. I know the bugs will be worked out and my Patience will be rewarded. Thanx Mark

Ben_Rumson
21:59:36 Mon
Apr 20 2009
Re: New highbanker


Sierra Modified G-1 High-Flo HighBanker/Dredge Combo.

I'll be out on the Claim tomorrow.

THE_GOLD_PIRATE
08:19:30 Tue
Apr 21 2009
Re: New highbanker
Quote: tabwyo at 15:22:10 Fri Jan 30 2009

In your opinion, would this pump be good for your unit??
http://cgi.ebay.com/PowerMax-Portable-Water-Trash-2-Pump-6-5-Hp-Gas-New_W0QQitemZ120365931786QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item120365931786&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1308%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50


The XP650WP Features:
• Durable PowerMax 6.5 Hp. Air cooled OHV gasoline engine w low oil shutoff and idle control.
• 3'' ID intake & outlet w back flow check valve.
• Pump overhead lift: 91 ft.
• Suction height: 26 ft.
• Gallons per minute: 220 gpm..
• .6 gallon fuel
^^^^ $289.99 ^^^^ "GREAT PRICE"

this is what i use on my 3" dredge/high banker....... it is 1 hell of a pump it will work you to death. lol i have had it hooked up to a high banker and a trommel at the same time... the trommel was not mine but a friend of mine and then to my high banker... and there was enough water for both.... we made a manifold made from pvc pipe.... to be honest i think we could have hooked up another high banker or trommel and still been just fine!!!!!!!! and it is a hell of a lot cheaper then a Keene or Honda pump too!!!!!! so i say go with what you can a ford man even if it is more then you need!!!! you might be able to run 2 high bankers!!!!!! just food for thought!!!!!!!!

peluk
17:38:42 Tue
Apr 21 2009
Re: New highbanker
Thanks for the tip on the pump.I've been watching these Chinese pumps since they started appearing on the beach here.I haven't found anyone really complaining about their quality whether a Powermax or another Chinese brand.

When I checked the pump out that you mentioned,one outfit wouldn't ship it to Alaska.I didn't investigate as to the reason.I then checked out "Waterpumps Direct".

They have that pump listed as "light duty".A Briggs combination and a Mitsubishi were listed as "medium" duty.The "heavy" duty pumps were all Subaru.

I hope you'll keep us posted if you run into any problems with it.I know Honda makes pumps that they market for homeowner use which would probably be the equivalent of light/medium duty as well.

azdave35
02:12:07 Wed
Apr 22 2009
Re: New highbanker
gentlemen...you are drifting off topic again...please start a new thread if you want to talk about pumps....we are interested in the G-1 concentrator on this thread...thanks

peluk
03:05:04 Wed
Apr 22 2009
Re: New highbanker
Roger your last Dave.Yes,that's a professional looking finish job Ben.
The way that water lies down in that multiple settup is impressive as well.

Zooka
04:16:10 Wed
Apr 22 2009
Re: New highbanker
Very nice pix!
A hint for working with that blue layflat. As you know, it does not like to bend, but is so darned cheap!

So take a tip from this old scotsman, and get a couple of 3 or 4 foot pieces of flrxible hose, spa hose or other pressure hose, and put one piece at the pump exit and the other at the joint going into the hibanker. Let these 2 short pieces of flex hose take all of the angles - or most of them - between the pump and the hibanker, sort of like universal joints. That will allow the blue hose to lay lots straighter, and of course if you kink blue hose, there goes your water volume...
even one such flexible joint, at the highbanker, will make a big difference.

-Z

goldrushpro
05:29:31 Wed
Apr 22 2009
Re: New highbanker
goldcoastprospector,

Yeah, Ben_Rumson's picture shows a great set up!

I attach it under the hopper closer to the discharge near the very bottom - right where the water pours out of the hopper. This bends the miners moss backwards and only lays over the first one or two riffles in the lower box. Ben_Rumson's will undoubtedly work just fine though.

Thanks,
Joel

Ben_Rumson
14:56:01 Wed
Apr 22 2009
Re: New highbanker
Final sluice configuration: 5.5 HP Honda (California emission so I know that drops the HP some). Keene P180 pump. Keene 3 inch Nozle with single wire acrossed the nozle mouth to prevent plug ups (Worked with out it for awhile and it truly do's eliminate 90 percent of the plug ups). 50 Feet Flat hose. 50 feet garden hose attached to P180 bib (saves me half the work I would do with out it. Breaks up hard packed stream bed. Unplugs most nozle plug ups where I have gotten all of my plug ups to date by running it down the nozle. Cleans off 75% of sluice debri without getting up from dredge hole). 20 feet of sawdust hose for water to pump intake. 20 feet of sawdust hose for nozle to sluice. 1 foot valve in bucket. 1 G-1 sluice modified with miners moss to even out flow and remove bubbles and 1 bungee with hooks removed and replaced with 2 inch nails put in sluice stand legs to keep hose off of hopper.



I removed the backstop and moved the hose back down the sluice 1 riffle after tweaking the Honda to a half throttle setting. This was the optimum power to recovery ratio for me. You can also see how the Bungee does a nice job of clearing the hose off the hopper.




The unbacked carpet did a good job of elminating most but not all of the bubbles. The water I'm working in loves to bubble so I don't fault the carpet for not knocking them all out.



You can see the differance in this shot. It also allowed cons to settle further up the sluice.



Material left if you leave the sluice running for 5 minutes without dredging.



Material left if you shut down right away.

I ran 2 pans of the tailings and didn't find anything visible to the naked eye.

Zooka thanks for the tip on the flat hose!

Joe. I attached it where the upper part of the classifier screen is connected to the hopper by using the same bolts. Is there another way? Thanks.



Geo_Jim
19:56:46 Wed
Apr 22 2009
Re: New highbanker
Please forgive me if you all have already discussed this subject. I have not been reading all the posted.

I did not find the video on the G-1 highbanker convincing that it recovered gold. I saw that it cleaned up quicker than a popandson sluice, but the most important feature of gold mining is gold recovery, not ease of clean up.

The video did not show any gold at all. I realize it is a demo video, but it could be a much more convincing demo video. They should had show us they were putting gold in the feed, put the square tub under the outflow, run it for a while, and then pan out the tails in the tub to show no gold lost, then pan the cons and show us all the recovered gold. If they had done that I would believe it is a great little machine.

So how about it goldrushpro convince us the G-1 will catch fine gold. I think you ought to shorten the video too. Ten minutes was too long for my attention span.

Geo Jim

azkid
02:34:04 Thu
Apr 23 2009
Re: New highbanker
Quote: Geo_Jim at 19:56:46 Wed Apr 22 2009

Please forgive me if you all have already discussed this subject. I have not been reading all the posted.

I did not find the video on the G-1 highbanker convincing that it recovered gold. I saw that it cleaned up quicker than a popandson sluice, but the most important feature of gold mining is gold recovery, not ease of clean up.

The video did not show any gold at all. I realize it is a demo video, but it could be a much more convincing demo video. They should had show us they were putting gold in the feed, put the square tub under the outflow, run it for a while, and then pan out the tails in the tub to show no gold lost, then pan the cons and show us all the recovered gold. If they had done that I would believe it is a great little machine.

So how about it goldrushpro convince us the G-1 will catch fine gold. I think you ought to shorten the video too. Ten minutes was too long for my attention span.

Geo Jim


You know Jim... thats what I have been asking since this thread started..... everyone claims their product is the best but here I have seen no REAL results.. thats all I asked for on page 1 or 2 somewhere in this monstrocity of pages.....

goldrushpro
03:29:30 Thu
Apr 23 2009
Re: New highbanker
Geo_Jim,

I was under the gun to get a demo video out this winter and I went to the only place that wasn't frozen solid. There is very little gold in that desert creek and it's so small that I'm sure the camera would'nt show it very good.
I beg to differ about gold recovery being the number one atribute of a highbanker. It of course is very very important - but as mentioned in previous text, some gold deposits require many clean ups because the gold is so flat that it would migrate through any system. Or that the deposit has so much heavy black sand that it must be cleaned up alot. With a system that takes 20 minutes to effectivley clean up - it's not likely that much work would get done in a day. But - the gold recovery in the G-1 is top shelf in most types of gold deposits. The mine in the pictures above is hands down the most horrible fine gold deposit I've ever seen - with 80% of the gold being MINUS 50 mesh and my G-1 system is recycling the tailings and catching the super flat and super fine 100 to 300 mesh gold and is enough to completely pay for the cost of the over burden removal. That is alot of 100 to 300 mesh gold! I think you want to hear that it won't lose any gold. But I can't tell you that. Sorry. But I can tell you that I think it has the best recovery potential of any COMMERCIALY built highbanker. I say "Potential" because if someone buys a G-1 and has no experience or "feel" for setting up a highbanker to work properly - then they could be losing gold.

P.S. the G-1 is recovering gold better for people all over the Country and the world - I hear new stories all the time about how they are catching gold that they didn't even know was there. I hope I can get you a real serious fine gold test soon but we're way behind on orders right now so it might be a little later this summer.
Thanks,
Joel

azkid
04:32:23 Thu
Apr 23 2009
Re: New highbanker
not attacking you but... alot of people voted for the current president... well the majority I would say..... but that dont mean he has shown me he is the Best he can be.......

A little demo uncut with material running through it with a metered amount of gold vs just some gravel with no outcome I mean what do you think sells...

not just hype.. alot of proof....

Not in 1 picture in 1 post here has anyone shown the gold recoved in the G-1... There was a picture in a pan of gold.... but I can make a

sluice out of dog crap and show you gold in a pan and tell you it came from that sluice.... but is everyone going to believe it..... highly doubtfull

The only thin I believe that was asked for several times here is absolute proof of the highbanker in action with uncut from sluice to cleanup and then we see what was done...

I am not attacking anyone here just backing up a point I tried to make a while back... anyone can make a product and say its the best... or even hire Billy Mays.... to sell it.. it still does not mean it works...

hopefully you will understand now...

azdave35
05:14:47 Thu
Apr 23 2009
Re: New highbanker
sounds reasonable to me....600 bucks is alot of money for a plastic sluice...but if it recovers very fine gold better than other sluices it might be worth it...then it would pay for itself..but if it just cleans up faster...it isnt worth that much extra money....i can buy an old keene sluice for 50 bucks that loses half the gold if thats what i wanted...if someone is gonna pay that much dough for a sluice...it better be 600 bucks worth of sluice.....ive had and tested alot of equipment over the years and they will all get fine gold...but only a percentage...you lose half of it...all the azkid is saying is how much of the fine gold will your sluice recover?

AceHand
05:49:46 Thu
Apr 23 2009
Re: New highbanker
I'm really watching this highbanker with intrest, as are many on this forum. It doesn't get much better than this. Got the manufacturer right here, discussing the merits of his new tool. I don't know Joel, but he's doin a good job of promoting his product. Got a few members with the new product, just starting to try it out. I want test results too, but I also think it's a little early. Springs just starting to get here. Even if Joel does some testing and posts results..........I'd rather hear results from his customers. Those results are starting to come in. I'll just check back every night like I have been. I think the testing I want to see will start next winter. If I had one, I wouldn't be testing in the garage, I'd be trying it in the field. This is a great thread.
Good Luck,
Tom

Ben_Rumson
13:13:53 Thu
Apr 23 2009
Re: New highbanker
I have it. I like it. I'm glad I bought it.
I've estamated. estamated mined you, at the approxemate amount I've run through the sluice VS what I've hand fed through my gold buddy -LeTrap combo that I have run for 2 years with a number of tailing checks and that got the gold running a minnimum amount of water. I'll get .4 grams of gold in 3, 5 gallon buckets of streambed material classified to 1/4 inch no mater where I run the streambed. In the red layer I do twice that or better but it fluctuates. Now I have found an even better layer and I can't even guess what that will run. I found it while using the dredge. But I would have found it with any dredge. All I can tell you is that the G-1 is pulling the same size gold I was getting with my old setup that it is now getting with the new in the same area and more of it as I'm running more material. I thought I would sacrifice to get more gold by losing the small stuff I was getting. It dos'nt look to be the case. Now. I have a limited number of days I can work this creek before it completely drys up and I've spent to long on this post allready. But you guy's have been instramental in helping me find the gold and look for the right setup and I wanted to give something back. So it's off to another 14 hour day and I'll try and make some time to add to this post.
Heres a couple of shots of the gold I didn't have room on the other post for.



Off the hopper after 1 hour. Running 1 or 2 hours diidn't make a differance. Same amount of gold.



Off the fines sluice. Twice the gold if run for 2 hours. seperating black sands is a piece of cake compared to those white sands you see. It was the end of the day and I said good enough shot.

tabwyo
23:19:19 Thu
Apr 23 2009
Re: New highbanker
Azkid,

If you don't want to buy it then don't. To try and argue that Joel is intentionally dodging your demands of proof are getting old. Just admit you weren't going to in the first place and move on. You repeated "thread corrections" are old. As a satissfied customer I say it's a good investment. I revovered more gold in one day w/ the G-1 than I did all last summer with stream sluices. But how is that a fair compairison??? I am not going to take time out of my prospecting day to jump through hoops proving the G-1 just so you can throw up more hoops regarding the G-1's capabilities.

azkid
23:56:00 Thu
Apr 23 2009
Re: New highbanker
Quote: tabwyo at 23:19:19 Thu Apr 23 2009

Azkid,

If you don't want to buy it then don't. To try and argue that Joel is intentionally dodging your demands of proof are getting old. Just admit you weren't going to in the first place and move on. You repeated "thread corrections" are old. As a satissfied customer I say it's a good investment. I revovered more gold in one day w/ the G-1 than I did all last summer with stream sluices. But how is that a fair compairison??? I am not going to take time out of my prospecting day to jump through hoops proving the G-1 just so you can throw up more hoops regarding the G-1's capabilities.


its a thread on the forum to discuss this product.....

I never knew it was a crime to question someones sales promotion....

I never asked you personally for anything thank you very much...

I guess its getting old getting replies like this from people that back the product without proof..


And the last time I checked.. I was not the only one that ASKED for something more than someones WORD..

But here I get told to STFU thats gotta be one of the best comical relief buzzes I have had on this forum in a while....

I mean since its a crime to question a products reliablity and capabilities... I will do my best to leave this Thread alone......... albiet I do like people telling me to STFU its pretty entertaining..... since its the internet and all.....



You Have a GOOD DAY SIR!

azdave35
00:18:49 Fri
Apr 24 2009
Re: New highbanker
hey kid...there seems to be a couple guys on here that are trying pretty hard to shut you up...whats up with that?

azkid
00:56:48 Fri
Apr 24 2009
Re: New highbanker
no clue havent even ever talked to them on here or in Real Life....

maybe they cant handle skepticism or an criticism

I just wish if they had a problem with me they would say something...

Angmo
01:06:50 Fri
Apr 24 2009
Re: New highbanker
There are many more people (like me) who are reading this thread with very high interest in buying this new highbanker. We are all interested in it's perfomance and outcomes people get from it. We all ignore comments from uninteresting folk and I for one focus on peoples experiences. Joel has been up front and responsive here and from his website. I am just waiting for a few more field reports ( good and feedback for improvements). So far I am working up my budget as I feel Joel is going to get an order from me soon.

Cheers!

tabwyo
02:47:42 Fri
Apr 24 2009
Re: New highbanker
Quote: azkid at 04:32:23 Thu Apr 23 2009


Not in 1 picture in 1 post here has anyone shown the gold recoved in the G-1... There was a picture in a pan of gold.... but I can make a




Ben_Rumson has posted pics of gold recovered with his G-1. If I can keep from dropping my camera in water everytime I go out I will too. Then you state that there is a pic of color in a pan but "..I can make that". Sounds pretty much like you are say that Ben is faking his pictures. And your posting on here about those who "back the product w/o proof". That to sounds a lot like calling those who have purchased the unit and commented about it liars. Or at the very worst implies that Joel is having people post on his behalf to help sell his product. Neither of which are true.

I am quite certain you don't appriciate anybody saying that you are or even implying that you are lieing. I know I don't. I wasn't telling you to STFU. But you ask for proof and people have given what feedback they have. A few posted pics. Most just made comments because that's all they had to give. And as I recall, I haven't come across one comment from anybody who's purchased the unit that has been negative in anyway.

And I have a feeling if somebody provided your "absolute proof" on here via video, you'd still say it wasn't enough. I mean if people can post missleading pics of gold in a pan and claim it came from the G-1. How hard is it to doctor a video to show it??

DanBrunner
03:32:54 Fri
Apr 24 2009
Re: New highbanker
Well hopefully I'll be able to provide another buyer's perspective soon. I just ordered the G1, but it sounds like a lot of other people have as well. Joel said he's a little behind on fulfillment which sounds like a good problem to have. I figured I would jump in early before the G1 rush was on. I will post pics/videos as soon as I get this thing set up. My perspective will be that of a complete novice. While some may repond to my report with negativity, I hope that others of you will just see them for what they are.

I'm working ground here in Washington State, where everything I've recovered so far has been flat flood gold with some wire gold mixed in. The only pickers I've found so far came from a tunnel that was drifting on an ancient channel. I'm very excited to see how this all turns out. I will keep you posted as much as I can.

-dan

azkid
03:43:37 Fri
Apr 24 2009
Re: New highbanker
nope a absolute video with a known amount of various mesh gold I would become a believer if the results came out as advertised....

Thanx again I do not want any hard feelings about this thread..

And I do not want it to be thought that I called anyone a liar... That Sir I do not do without proof.

I am very interested in this product dont get me wrong. I just requested a little more proof.

I know Ben ran it and got pictures and I am very gratefull at that , he took the time to show people here the results.

I believe a Test of known amounts in various meshe's would be the door kicker here to shed the light.


And Its also the Internet and anyone can advertise anything they want and not need 1 ounce of proof to back it up I understand that.

But since buying the product would happen on the internet would have to happen in this case, I am requesting a little more insight into the product.

Even Other members asked for a video showing recovery of gold ... That would be the all inclusive drop dead result that no one could argue with.


Please dont get me wrong I am not here to piss off anyone or make anyone to the point that they do not want to read anything that I have said..


I am in the process of actually taking a few boxes from DanFromNY and making a similar highbanker setup as the G-1 .

I am very interested in the G-1 and its recovery rate, I am just an inquisitive buyer..


I have 3 years total immersion experience in Sales and Marketing. I served as a recruiter for 3 years for the Army. you cannot test drive or even touch, feel, experience the Army until you are in the Army.

Selling a Way of life is very difficult and you have to have all your proof and ducks in a row if you want to make the "SELL",

I am sure that the G- is a fine product in its class but a more effective marketing strategy and more "show me the product" type of buy.


10 Members of this forum have met me and know that I am a no BS guy and work just as hard as most here at prospecting. I am just making sure that I get the Bang for my Buck with this product.



AzKid

Heavens_Pavement
06:11:44 Fri
Apr 24 2009
Re: New highbanker
On Joes Videos, in all honesty, the G-1 and S-1 need help, bad, the panning one is border as video quality is poor.
That being said, I did order all of the above, gut feeling really.
Out of all the pans I've used his has been the most "comfortable"along with speed/recovery.
The S-1 I am going to do a full post, in short VERY impressed, it got small specks I had missed b4.
The g-1,have not run yet.. to be continued..
I would like to say and tis has been a big one for me.
is that Joe has been very resposive to e-mails(with 24 hrs) with questions and such.Very helpful, not short answers trying to make me go away.the pump go my s-1 died a premature death(American made too), he fedex me one right away, no quibals or hoops , just made it right, with speed!,
So no , no premeasured gold recovery analisis, but I am very happy with my purchase thus far and will consider any thing else he comes up with if it fits the bill.
I would like to thank all of the g-1 owners posting pics in action, as I do not have access to my claim right now and dredging season every where else doesnot open til may 15th, unless some knows a rec area in Alaska that is open right now???
As with anything new, you have to learn the equiptment, and I am learing from you, thank you and please continue to post pics(or even a vid :smile:smile:

DanBrunner
15:04:08 Fri
Apr 24 2009
Re: New highbanker
Heavens, I too picked up his pro pan. Thats what convinced me to go with the G1. I like Joel's approach to things. I am looking forward to getting my unit set up this spring.

tabwyo
18:24:25 Fri
Apr 24 2009
Re: New highbanker
Usprospectors "Easy Pan" or "Pro Pan" was reviewed in the May/June issue of The Gold Prospector GPAA magazine. They give it a "must have" rating.

I use it as a sample pan. Quick, fast and effective sampling tool. I prefer my traditional pans for fine work. But that's mostly because I am just so used to using them.

As for any more input on the G-1. I'll get a really good side by side comparison with quite a few different makes/configurations of highbankers this June. My local prospecting club has a 3 day outing planed. And we usually have anywhere from 4-8 different highbankers in action. There will certainly be a Proline, a Kenne, a unit made be the fella that does the Packwasher drywashers and a Honcoop. I have one of Dans trays and I'll be building a frame and hopper for it and running that soon as well.

goldrushpro
03:30:05 Wed
Apr 29 2009
Re: New highbanker
Heavens_Pavement, Thank You - and you can contact me any time!

Sorry about the poor quality video's.

To all those who are patiently waiting for thier orders: I'm working seven days a week and I've had better luck the last few days with temp workers showing up. The sheer number of orders combined with having to break away and move into a larger shop has been brutal! We are buying large volumes of materials now and have a new frame jig for the G-1 and production is now moving along very well. I should have all orders caught up withing ten days from now.

azkid,
You call me tomorrow 208-608-2689 after 09:00(Mountain Time)

Thanks,
Joel

DanBrunner
04:54:53 Wed
Apr 29 2009
Re: New highbanker
Joel,

Which one of those has my name on it? :P

Heavens_Pavement
05:01:20 Wed
Apr 29 2009
Re: New highbanker
New I had to order mine when I did :smile:

popandsonminers
05:22:07 Wed
Apr 29 2009
Re: New highbanker
Joel,

I’ve been following this thread with keen interest from the beginning and congratulations to you on a sluice design with efficient space, weight and clean-up features- most impressive. And that picture of the parallel sluices behind the trommel is a classic in the approach to fine gold recovery: a nice thin, even, slow flow over a bank of sluices. I’ll be most interested to hear more testimonials and pictures from your customers, too, as the true measure of success is satisfied customers, regardless of how small the gold is!

Now that we all understand Jim’s challenge in keeping this forum active and viable, I hope that commercial ventures like yours will consider paying a reasonable, voluntary commission to the AGF (DONATE button at top of page) as payment for each direct sale made as a result of exposure on the forum. Seems only fair---- What do you say??

Steve Gaber



goldrushpro
01:36:56 Thu
Apr 30 2009
Re: New highbanker
popandsonminers,

Thank you.

I have been meaning to pay Jim for some advertising but I've been so busy that I haven't yet.

I'll find out right now.

Thanks,
Joel

mini4x4
02:05:42 Tue
May 5 2009
Re: New highbanker
I am not sure how folks who dont manufacture this unit can tell someone who does how much it should cost. If Joel says its $505 but that is more than you want to pay then thats how it is. I have seen the results of this G1 Highbanker and I dint think there was that much tiny tiny gold out there. I plan on buying one and using it places that doesnt even have gold you can easily see. I am also interested in seeing the test results of all the other highbankers. Where is this info so I can take a look at it. I have seen gold recovered from probably 30+ different highbankers in my life and I have never before seen fine gold in quantitys that I have seen from the ass end of the G1. I understand why everyone is skeptical but isnt there any optomistic prospectors anymore. I have taken a pan all over idaho and oregon and have found good gold in places that others say is hundreds of miles from any gold. A pessimist wouldnt have looked and an optimist will often find what he is looking for.

tabwyo
03:09:26 Tue
May 5 2009
Re: New highbanker
I'll get a side by side run with a few other major makes of highbankers in June. I am just going to add a simple hopper and frame to Dan's tray so my kids can have their own highbanker and they'll keep their mitts outta mine.

tanglefoot
21:55:55 Tue
May 5 2009
Re: New highbanker
Joel,

Would you give me angles of drop in inches per foot for both the sluice and the hopper? I just need a reference point to start from. I can read a level and a tape, but I'm having trouble making sand bars and making them disappear.:confused:

The first time I took the G-1 out, I don't think I ever got it set up right. I found the usual amount of flat flaky gold. When I panned the cons at home, I found nearly invisable face powder size gold that I didn't realize was in that deposit.:smile:

Thanks,
Tanglefoot

tabwyo
00:32:29 Wed
May 6 2009
Re: New highbanker
I am not Joel but I think the answer would be "you'll have to tinker with the angles to best suite your situation". Work in the same area and dial the unit in. Go steep, go shallow and everything in between until you hit the sweet spot. There isn't a piece of equipment on the market yet that auto adjusts to every possible condition.

dredger
01:54:07 Wed
May 6 2009
Re: New highbanker
Hey tanglefoot,

Congrats on ya find, :smile:
"" I found nearly invisable face powder size gold that I didn't realize was in that deposit "".

Would you give us some info on why you thought you would not find invisible face powder size gold in the spot your are in, perhaps some info on where your are working, ??, placer, hHighbank, ??. dry creek,??. dry river bed, ??,

The reason I ask is there must be other members in similar situations / areas who also do or did not realize they might have powder size gold and also might be loosing more flaky gold then they might think, I suggest perhaps 1/4 to 1/5 the total weight of the gold at the end of the day, ??. perhaps,

Also please consider an observation of mine, I have noted that visible gold and not visible gold pretty much relies on the angle that the powder size gold is laying to reflect the enough light " back " to your eyes, I suggest any gold that " can " be seen is not a clear indication of how much powder gold is on the surface you are inspecting, or in ya sample,
Pic 1 ,

Pic 1

Pic 2

Pic3

back asap, testing,

tabwyo
03:29:37 Wed
May 6 2009
Re: New highbanker
Well, for me the sell on the G-1 so far is that I have recovered more gold and smaller gold with the G-1 than I did my P&S sluice. All the highbanker vs stream sluice bits aside. I found more in one day with the G-1 then i did in 6 outings with the stream sluice. Same place, same gravel and with the G-1 I didn't bother grading the material down. I just shoveled.

DanBrunner
04:02:44 Wed
May 6 2009
Re: New highbanker
Wow, what magnification are those pics? That's some seriously fine looking gold. Did you recover that with the G1/S1 or another method? If other, then how?

Eu_citzen
15:58:01 Thu
May 7 2009
Re: New highbanker
Now it's my turn to chime in.

Tabwyo,
Are those two sluices the same width? If not I guess one of them has a disadvantage. :confused:

Sounds like a neat product though.:smile:



tabwyo
16:23:37 Thu
May 7 2009
Re: New highbanker
Of course they weren't the same width. And to add to the disadvantage the P&S was a STREAM SLUICE. All that aside though, I recovered finer gold with the G-1 than I did with the P&S. And I do believe the advantage for recovering the fines should have fallen firmly in the P&S's territory.

dredger
23:46:52 Thu
May 7 2009
Re: New highbanker
Hey Dan,

mate , I tried to focus the size of the gold to and on the thickness of the hairs shown, I was thinking of sort of pulling a hair out of my head, and using a sharp blade, I spilt the hair say 6-9 times, give me a rough idea on gold that does come as powder size gold, ( pics were taken with a 40-80 power/ trick camera, ( with %100-%350 zoom, with witch i often played with, resulting in complete confusion as to the exact power, sorry, ).
No Dan, I am hoping you guys do some testing with G1/S1 concepts, Tabwyo is already very keen, and i look forward to more testing results, i am excited, :devil:. to all.
Tabwyo also has words of wisdom in saying,
"go shallow and everything in between until you hit the sweet spot. There isn't a piece of equipment on the market yet that auto adjusts to every possible condition ". and I agree , very good advise for any unit,then perhaps use an adjustable ( bubble level, ) degree wheel, we call them by their brand name, " STABILLA ", ( I think that is right, ), Only 10-12 dollars,,

The fineness of the gold in the pics can be reproduced by grating a chunk of gold on a really fine strong s/s cheese grater, then use around 90-100 micron screen to separate the really fine stuff, , a point of interest here concerning using or producing fine powder gold for testing purposes, is I suggest the cheese grater method gives a fine gold that looks and is more likely to " act " like Flaky gold, if you require fine gold that is more lumpy, I suggest you place or sprinkle some of the fine grated gold in a retort, ( flat bottom,) ( " no Hg ), and apply some heat, let them cool down , then check the grated gold with a scope to see if the heat has just melted to sharp bits, too much heat makes them into balls, if do this, you will have grated rough fines, and party melted grated gold,and round ball shapes and very fine sizes, for testing, :devil:, please note the above pics show pretty much melted gold specs, not really ballish shape, please also note pics 2-3, bottom centre shows 150-200 micron chunky/ ball gold, which i placed in the pic for ?? comparison,

Guys I will post this before i loss it, been " really "bussy last few days, back asap.



tabwyo
00:22:52 Fri
May 8 2009
Re: New highbanker
I am heading up to one of the claims up on South Pass known to produce everything from quarter size nuggets down to face powder. Even better is that I scouted the wash I want to run in and there is enough melt to run the dredge. Here in the next couple weeks I want to hit quite a few of the seasonal drainages. No season on drainages that dry up anually.

dredger
01:53:46 Mon
May 11 2009
Re: New highbanker
Please note, first Pic 1, shows 4 hairs ranging from about 90 micron down to 40 micron, please also note, 99% of the material other then the hairs is " definitely gold ",
Second pic 1, shows closer up, that the gold gives off different light reflection/refraction, resulting in some gold appearing light to dark brown,
Pic 2. also shows some ( two black stones,) (visual aids placed int the sample to show difference between colours/shades of gold and stone,
Pic3, is "refocusing " on the hair, ( suggesting to me I raised up the scope approx 90 micron, please note the " left " side of the hair, in both pics 2,3, pic 2, shows lots of light reflected from the tiny gold, and pic 3 shows perhaps %80 of those now are dull, and have lost their reflection,
Please also note there is no light reflection " lost " in both pics " on " the "right side" of the hair, please also note that " some" of the really small specs of gold that were reflecting light , now are turning light brown, some disappear after focus, perhaps suggesting or really my line of thought is that some gold can be so small and invisible to the human eye except when direct light is actually coming from the right direction,
What size is that gold,or gold that is invisible to the human eye, ?. my guess is depends on the light source and direction, pic 3, and the hair mostly is in focus shows some possible 15 reflections, I can assure you they are gold,
The hair is or looks about 90 micron wide/thick when placed on a 90 micron hole sieve,( under scope ), and allowing for where the hair thins down a little , to perhaps 60 micron ,
please note the 2 black stones actually attached to the hair, ( lowest stone on the hair is perhaps half the width of the hair at that point,perhaps a 30 micron rock,) My guess is the gold attached to the hair is around 20 micron and or smaller, two reasons for that are 1, I refocused and zoomed using the computer and had a good look, and 2, that gold is attached to the hair because of a ( weak ) static-electromagnetic affect "from or in " the hair , which was not capable or strong enough the pick up any larger gold while i was rubbing the hair in the gold powder on the glass, ( interesting observation ),
For the new guys, an old school boy trick was to rub a plastic ruler on his pants leg to build up a electrostatic charge in the plastic ruler , to lift up the young girls hair ( mess up )sitting in front of him/me in class , also the lift and play with small bits of paper, my point for the new guys is if anyone ever bets he has a gold magnet,please be aware that fine to powder ( and smaller )size gold can be picked up with a electrostatic charged plastic ruler , also quickly picks up fine to powder size " dust ",
So under 20 micron size, ( I am guessing ), actually with the zoom on the computer and I seriously thought I could see down to about 4--- micron, ??, but i am no expert with a camera, anyway, what springs to mind is popandsons observation where a 10 micron spec of gold can stay in suspension for up to ten seconds, which i think is very true, perhaps even more so if the 10 micron gold is flat and flaky ( 1 to 2 micron thick ), and the line of thought is "how to recover gold that stays in suspension while travelling down a sluice," I think and I repeat, I suggest powder /flaky fine gold is recoverable even though it is suspendable " due " to centrivical forces, found in a riffle vortex concept, perhaps a bit of luck here is the vacuum plastic riffle concept riffle is more accurate at recovery, I am hoping it is, specifically for high bankers and small sluices,
Ok, blar , blar, smaller and smaller, very hard to recover, however and in the interest of new guys, ( and back on subject, ) tabwyo has mentioned recovering surprising amounts of powder size gold, so i suggest if anyone is finding any powder size gold, ( new guys please note, you might find powder size gold, but there are alot of reasons why you might not, or is it worth it, ?? ) should /could (1), improve the recovery of powder size gold, (2) improve the speed and accuracy in all panning, , by sieving your cons at the point or beginning of clean-up, before any panning, specifically for the powder size gold i would suggest to the new guy, use a around 500 micron hole size s/s wire sieve, ( same diameter as the standard and your own other sieves,any new guy just starting should have I suggest 3 classification sizes sieves, and use them a lot, ) all materials that passes through that 500 micron sieve could be lightly panned " in excellent sunlight " and watch for sparkles, just pan off the lighter colour to darker brown sands, then take the blackish brown cons home,pan those off, keep the materials panned off for later, hopefully you will get a surprise too,
Ok, gotta get back to other things,
:devil: everyone,




goldstonehigh
18:38:07 Tue
May 12 2009
Re: New highbanker
I want to get a G1 too.

1) What size of dredge suction nozzle is recommended for the most fine gold retention effencency, to feed the G1, meaning will a 3" flood the box or is a 2 and 1/2" better??

2) Two different figures from a minimum to a maximum what sizes of GPM pumps are required to run the G1. Meaning how many GPM pump from the smallest to the largest is recommended for the G1, for direct feed and also to run the dredge suction nozzle?? (Also with a "gravel pump", Mug Hog, or a Honda, diaphram or not a semi but a FULL, "Trash Pump" a person could dredge with it directly into the G1 box and not through the spray bar as it may plug it up, or work in muddy holes off of the river without burning out the pump.)

3) Anyone tried the Idaho made Gold Grabber II highbanker? How is it on saving the small 100-250 mesh flour gold as compared to the G1?

Thanks.



DanBrunner
02:12:45 Wed
May 13 2009
Re: New highbanker
I just got this pump from Harbor Freight. Its one that Joel recommended.. Its a Pacific Hydrostar 2" 6.5hp.. 145 gpm pump.. Model #: 95977



The only thing missing from this is my G1. Joel said he was going to try to get it shipped today. I just hope its here by this weekend. Joel, if you're reading these posts still, please tell me you shipped it priority. :smile:

cubsqueal
03:07:18 Wed
May 13 2009
Re: New highbanker
I've been wondering if a person, after wearing out the engine on a pump like this, could then buy a nice Honda (or whatever) replacement engine maybe off e-Bay and bolt the pump onto it. That way you'd be getting the pump section at a real good price overall and also eventually have a top-flight engine to drive it.

QuartzvilleMiner
04:49:29 Wed
May 13 2009
Re: New highbanker
Nice pump but I thought Joel said it used around 2400 gph, 145gpm would be a heck of a lot more than I thought. I'm still interested if someone can make this a recirculating system. I'm look at some bilge pumps in the 2400 or so range but that's only 40gpm, no where near 145.

I want to use it in dry areas and Oregon now is enforcing this rule requiring you to purchase a water use permit for $15 for every place you set up a pump. They are getting rediculous so I figure a recirculating system will beat them at their own game...

kaveman
07:12:30 Wed
May 13 2009
Re: New highbanker
Best to go a little too large rather than a little too small. No need to run it at full throttle, and once you put 100' of hose on it and lift the water a few feet in elevation it won't be putting out 145gpm even at full gas. Never, never, never shoot for the minimum and hope it'll be enough. You'll end up buying the bigger unit in the end.

I've heard the Chinese Honda clones are actually pretty decent engines. This thing should go forever at the reduced settings. I wouldn't be too worried about having to replace it.

As for the bilge pump, try it. They're cheap enough that you can always double up if you need to, especially if your recirculation system can be set up near your vehicle so you can jumper directly to the battery, running at idle occasionally to keep the charge up. You've got very short hose runs and no real change in elevation so you shouldn't loose too much flow capacity. IIRC, Joel recommended 45gpm as a minimum with 50-55 being ideal.

goldstonehigh
17:11:33 Wed
May 13 2009
Re: New highbanker
http://www.hondapowerequipment.com/products/modeldetail.aspx?page=modeldetail§ion=P2WP&modelname=WX15&modelid=WX15AX2
Then the Honda WX15AX2, 1.5", very lightweight mini 4-stroke, 20 lb.(pound) pump would be just right then at 72 GPM.

Yes I want to know how to do a recirculating system also. An electric bilge (trash) pump is a great idea. Can you give me a web link to a bilge trash pump please??

ALSO to highbank the G1 in (non-running water)deadwater holes that are full of silt and mud suspended in the water. I NEED a FULL or SEMI-TRASH PUMP also. I am leaning to a semi-trash pump instead because full-trash pumps are very heavy, very expensive, and passing about one inch sized rocks is not needed.

I just need a cheaper and lighter weight semi-trash pump just to process silt laden water without burning out the pump.

If a person run muddy and silt laden water through the above Honda WX15AX2 engine or the Pacific Hydrostar 2" 6.5 HP. Would it burn out the pump??

Does anyone have a web link to a SEMI-TRASH pump??

http://www.hondapowerequipment.com/products/pumps/content.aspx?asset=wp_choose
This may answer the question about buring out the pump in Silt--Muck laden water for the above 20 lb.(pound) WX15AX2 Honda pump. ALL Honda's must be Semi-Trash pumps then:
Clear Water-------------YES--
Slimy Water------------ YES--
Muck Water-------------YES--
Silt Water----------------YES--
High Solid Content-----NO--


baub
17:48:02 Wed
May 13 2009
Re: New highbanker
Folks,

A month or so ago, I tried out a g-1 that a friend bought . Most all gold ended up in the upper sluice. I used a 2200gph 12 vdc pump and lifted the recycled water about 5 feet. This was a marginal setup at best. Conditions were poor and I was sick with some fatiguing virus that took a couple of weeks to clear up. The materials I ran thru come from the river nearby and were 1/4 in minus.
It was obvious that I didn't have the setup dialed in, yet it worked well enough to decide to order a G-1 in the future.

Joel,

I noticed a ganged setup with multiple sluices and about a 4 inch feed you were working on a few months ago. Were you able to get it debugged ? If so, how did it do ? Any changes recommended ? How many sluices and gpm's required to run this setup ?
I had thought of a Le Trap setup similar to this, but if yours worked very well, I'de reconsider my plans.
The problem I see with stream type ops is the need to keep the stream clean and tidy. I believe the EPA has begun a lawsuit requiring Mother Nature to clean up her springtime act , or face the possibility of punitve actions and a downgrading of her credit status. So to avoid this myself , I'm looking at remote processing of materials and an orderly redeposition of the tails.
For those hardrockers using impact style crushers, this G- 1 looks capable of handling a constant feed, constant size material, somewhere South of 80 mesh, with ease. I'm not expert in any phase, or style of mining, but I've heard that the smaller you crush the ore, while fine tuning the rec equipment for the ore size, the more likely it is that a higher yield will emerge. If you could determine the "sweet spot" ore size for optimum recovery of the values, then see if the G-1 will meet your recovery needs ..........


Thanks Joel,

Baub


baub
17:55:01 Wed
May 13 2009
Re: New highbanker
Dredger

Electrostatics have been mentioned in Keene's sales pitch for their line of drywashers. Gold Exercist supposedly uses this phenomena too.
Probably works best dry.

b

peluk
19:12:48 Wed
May 13 2009
Re: New highbanker
Maybe this will be of help.
For recirculating on a larger scale,this will work.Use a standard poly tarp for your pond.Level the ground as much as possible and pick out sharp rocks or sticks from the surface.You can even throw some sand over the ground to protect the tarp.It's not essential however.

Drape the tarp over a perimeter wall of 6x6,TGI,or even sandbags.Under the lip of the sluice you can place a tub to collect waste.Let the tub overflow into your pond.
This keeps the pond cleaner.Shovel out the waste periodically.
I've used this design with the largest highbankers fed with a Honda 2"pump and I'm very satisfied with it.

On a smaller scale,a large snow machine akio(toboggan)works just fine.I've even set one of these tub type toboggans lower than the other to catch overflow into the lower one.It makes the runoff even cleaner.I use electric sump pumps in these smaller setups.Actually,an electric sump pump will work fine for a mid size highbanker in your yard.At the creekside you could power one with a quiet generator.

After all the discussion on the G1 catching capability,how about this as a flow regulator.Place an extension on the ouflow lip.It could even be flared.Make it out of small expanded over ribbed carpet.Have a slick at the top so waste water from the G1 has a chance to settle a bit before hitting the expanded field.Any gold loss should show up right there at the slick edge and a coulpe of inches beyond.
If it shows up,lower the angle on the G1 or change water flow.

DanBrunner
05:23:35 Thu
May 14 2009
Re: New highbanker
I just got notice of my G1 shipping tonight. Hopefully I'll have some pictures or videos ready in a week or two. Any requests from you guys as I move forward with this? I was thinking of video taping the unwrapping and assembly of the unit for starters.

auldrider
08:44:01 Thu
May 14 2009
Re: New highbanker
You can take the man out of Christmas but you can't take Christmas out of the man!

Enjoy it (the enjoyment of a new toy) while you still can. Cheers, John.

tabwyo
14:40:15 Thu
May 14 2009
Re: New highbanker
I didn't make it all the way into the claim I was wanting to work last wekend. The creek was up from all the melt and I didn't want to risk it. I did work about 4 hours on another claim. This claim covers some massive tailings from a turn of the century (1900 not 2000) operation. So all one is expected to find is finer gold. I'd run 10 shovels then clean up and go right back to work. I got 5 clean ups down and just wore out. Come to find out after a trip to the ER then next day I have walking pneumonia. Not wonder I felt like doo doo. No pics though, i forgot to grab the camera.

I feel tons better this week so I think we may go hit a different club claim before the rest of the pack gets to it. The area isn't hard to work. just a pain to get heavier equipment into because of a 100 yard walk in at about a 75 degree angle. this spot has my blood pumping though. I checked it out while there was still ice on the creek and then laters after we had a good melt then a ton of snow and another melt. The creek must have packed off with broken ice and snow and jumped the bank on the south side. Expossing and area of bedrock about 20 feet wide and 120 feet long. This exposed rock was under about a foot of soil the last time I checked the spot. So I am hoping to be working on virgin rock.

MadJack
16:43:10 Thu
May 14 2009
Re: New highbanker
Quote: DanBrunner at 05:23:35 Thu May 14 2009

I just got notice of my G1 shipping tonight. Hopefully I'll have some pictures or videos ready in a week or two. Any requests from you guys as I move forward with this? I was thinking of video taping the unwrapping and assembly of the unit for starters.


That would be a very short video! Mine took longer to get out of the box than to put it together. *grin*
Mine will get it's initial workout next weekend. I just have to make a long-bag to carry the legs in. Hey Joel, there's your first accessory!

goldrushpro
04:48:05 Fri
May 22 2009
Re: New highbanker
Sorry folks, I've been swamped and haven't been on the forum for two weeks to answer questions? I've been working myself into a dull sickness. But I can now see light at the end of the trommel and am getting control of this high volume production stuff.
Yeah, the big G-8 recovery system is finally ready to fine tune. The mine owner has gone through four types of power screens and the last one is working now. It's recovering down to the 350 mesh class and has saved the mine owner many ten's of thousands of dollars from using the G-1 system instead of implimenting all the jigs, whirly gigs and spinners. At this point I can say that if anyone is going to build a secondary recovery system for thier trommel operation - another small trommel screen at the end of your primary sluice would save you much time and trouble. 1/8th inch punch plate rolled and a simple roller frame with the sluice pouring right into it! Maybe a little fine spray bar added to make sure it's fully screened and then delivered into the plumbing .

I should also note that these sluices have had 500 to 600 yards per day - seven days a week for over two months washing over them and they show no visible wear yet! That's a pretty darn good plug for ABS plastic in mining appications!
Okay - back to work!
Thanks,
Joel

baub
16:57:41 Fri
May 22 2009
Re: New highbanker
Thanks Joel !! This is the very question that was on my mind ! I was in the process of digging up your fone number.

B

DanBrunner
06:03:08 Wed
May 27 2009
Re: New highbanker
G1 Report: First weekend out with the new machine... I have to say I'm thoroughly impressed with the action on the G1. Its going to take me some time to get the flow fine tuned, but I can tell already, that this was a good purchase.

Heading out:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/daniel_brunner/3569252030/

Recovery:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/daniel_brunner/3568440219/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/daniel_brunner/3569252328/

This was after about 1 1/2 hours of running the machine. Me and a friend were double shoveling and the G1 kept on chuggin. We found it was best if one fed the hopper and one cleared away the collecting cobbles. Time was limited, but We probably got through about 8 -10 or so buckets of dirt.

MadJack
19:27:04 Wed
May 27 2009
Re: New highbanker
Well, we did our own "test" on the G-1 in Maine last weekend.
We first set it up and ran it as the highbanker it was designed to be. We shoveled into it as well as dumped buckets into it and at times put more into the hopper than we thought it should take [because it doesn't look as rugged as it actually is].
15+ lb. pieces of busted ledge were gently set into the hopper section to be washed with no damage to the G-1 at all. Yes, were being careful not to drop anything too heavy into or onto the G-1 but I suspect I could have ridden down the hill on it.

Most of what little gold we found was caught in the first riffle of the top tray.



After a day & a half highbanking, we decided to check our tailings by dredging them back into the G-1. Cleaned up and found no gold from the tails so I figured I'd run it through some cracks and bust up some ledge. Again, gold in the first riffle and the rest of the upper tray but as a dredge it sure did seem to "clean" most everything out of the top tray. Too much water I suspect due to revving the pump up to make up for a couple small hose cracks we found later. I'll have to play with the dredge setup again once I replace the bad hoses. Probably will have to flatten the upper tray next time as well.
The mid-jet, hose & pump/motor combo is from a Dahlke 2.5".

This rig is easy to carry long distances, easy to set up and very easy to clean up when you feel like you're in a "gold looking" spot.

Just for those skeptics;
I do not know Joel other than ordering the G-1 and some of his pans. I was given nothing [ product or $$$ ] to print the above statements. I have been mining off & on for 30 years and I'm just tired of over rated and over weight equipment.

Thanks Joel, for a great rig!





goldrushpro
03:41:36 Tue
Jun 2 2009
Re: New highbanker
MadJack,

Thank You!

I hope you get into some flood gold areas where you can see how much fine and ultra fine gold this unit can produce also.

Thanks,
Joel

Nitro_54
01:02:35 Tue
Jun 16 2009
Re: New highbanker
Right now the G1 is at the top of my short Highbanker list.

DanBrunner
00:48:26 Sun
Jun 21 2009
Re: New highbanker
Just ordered the 3" Dredge adapter for my G1. I cant wait till July 15th gets here so I can run this in the creek.

tabwyo
01:01:14 Mon
Jun 22 2009
Re: New highbanker
Here's photos from this weekend with the G-1. I ditched th BBQ grate in favor of flat expanded over nomad. I ran stock in this very same hole and recovered 1/2 of the -100 then I did with the header mat and the "daisy damper" in the lower box. This area I am working is early 30's talings. So big part of he reason, IMO, that I am not getting into a ton of facepowed yet is because I m working the tops of theses piles down. Perhaps th farther out from e top I go the finer I'll find.






Nitro_54
04:16:28 Wed
Jun 24 2009
Re: New highbanker
Do you have any pictures of your setup without the water running ?? I'd very much like to see your mods.

tabwyo
03:34:49 Thu
Jun 25 2009
Re: New highbanker
I certainly can his weekend. i'll take pic as I am setting up. But basically it's unbacked nomad over 1/2 inch flat expanded in the upper tray. Kind of a rip off of the "pay me" trays in other highbankers. And just enough daisy mat to cover the lead slick area at the head of the lower box. And I have taken to cleaning these mats on the run. I ran a le trap of the end of the G1 while doing this and didn't find aything in it. I go all day and cleans the mats about once an hour (3 minutes tops). I'll do a fourty shovel test this weekend. I'll take 40 scoops of the same hole stock and in mod mode.

baub
16:20:21 Thu
Jun 25 2009
Re: New highbanker
Be interested in the results. Thanks,

b

Eu_citzen
21:27:40 Thu
Jun 25 2009
Re: New highbanker
Very nice, however where's the gold pics?? :smile:


tabwyo
14:05:01 Tue
Jun 30 2009
Re: New highbanker
The wife and I tangled with some bad seafod last Friday and were sick as dogs all weekend. The kids are off to stay with her folks till next week. So we are planning a 2 day/3 night trip up to Beaver Creek in the Miners Delight district of South Pass. Dredging season opens up on the 1st here. If my wetsuit shows up on time I'll get 2 days worth of dreding in.

goldstonehigh
01:26:25 Thu
Jul 2 2009
Re: New highbanker
Thanks Tab!, "But basically it's unbacked nomad over 1/2 inch flat expanded in the upper tray. Kind of a rip off of the "pay me" trays in other highbankers. And just enough daisy mat to cover the lead slick area at the head of the lower box. And I have taken to cleaning these mats on the run. I ran a le trap of the end of the G1 while doing this and didn't find aything in it."

Tab, hope you DO get well soon, you could take mostly full strength(not light) cold beer with tomato juice mixed together, for medicine to relieve some of that sea food poisoning. Take the beer anyway if you are starting to feel better.

1) Did you make a mistake, do you mean unbacked nomad under 1/2 inch flat expanded in the upper tray, instead??

2) Also wouldn't it be better to have backed nomand instead of unbacked?? (Because the gold will fall right through the unbacked, or is that the whole point?)

Yes like the D&K Nugget top "pay me" tray.

And daisy mat(astro turf-artificial grass) cut longer and put vertically up the sides then this is clamped on the lower box.

Wow, so the LeTrap did not find anymore off of the end!!

Thanks again! gsh.


tabwyo
02:25:40 Thu
Jul 2 2009
Re: New highbanker
Well the picture correctes me but..... Yes, I mean unbacked under expanded. I used unbacked because it's what I had on hand. As it ran I saw a constant migration of blondes out of the nomad. The daisy mat as a header in the lower box quickly packs off with material. But where everything dumps in seems to catch a goodly amount of gold. So Ima keep it.

drayegon
05:27:51 Thu
Jul 2 2009
Re: New highbanker
Hey Joel Have you got a back yard at the work shop? Got a place where a Guy could get a shower once in a while? Are there any hamburger joints within walking distance of the shop? Seems as you are having problems keeping up with your orders? OK how does this sound to you. I am waiting for my new truck to get built and be shipped to OR. It looks like a month or two maybe three the way things are going. I will catch a bus to Boise ID I like best to work from 6am to 11pm. I do not need a job as I am retired.I am only 59 but get kinda antsy sitting around not doing stuff. As soon as my truck gets to OR. I will let you know and then stay on for another week or two so you can get somebody to take over what I am doing. I won't just up and run on ya.

If it could help let me know and I will tell the wife I am going to be gone for a few weeks.

dray

dr.east@usa.net

Julianh
05:23:56 Fri
Jul 10 2009
Re: New highbanker
Joel, do you think a 2400 GMH Bilge Pump would do the trick for one of these things? I understand that you can only expect about 70% of the rated flow on a bilge pump, but it would be nice to have a non gas powered highbanker that could handle a decent amount of material.

Mikegdc
17:12:36 Mon
Jul 20 2009
Re: New highbanker
Tab

I am interested why you have the two pieces of wood clamped in the upper 'hopper' area of your G1?

Thanks, oh, and how did the 40 shovel test go?

Mike G

tabwyo
14:12:57 Tue
Jul 21 2009
Re: New highbanker
The wedges hold down my expanded over nomad.

The test was about nck and neck down to 100 mesh. Then the nomad in the header box really showed it stuff. It's such an easy addition. Even if the improvements in recovery are minimal it still worth it.

DanBrunner
01:50:01 Wed
Aug 12 2009
Re: New highbanker
8 Buckets of material through the G1. It took about an hour to dig, transport, and process this (didn't have a good spot to set up the highbanker...




DanBrunner
02:45:57 Wed
Aug 12 2009
Re: New highbanker
BTW, I'm heading out to the hills this weekend with the 3" dredge kit (finally). Hopefully i'll be back with some good photos. I'll let you know how it goes. Oh also, if you get this unit, I would recommend getting a small piece of plywood to use as the base. I've found it much easier to level a plank of wood than 4 individual legs.. Plus, its easier to clear away the extra material from the flat wood surface surface. It works a bit like a kick plate. I'm still dialing this thing in, but having fun in the meantime.

tanglefoot
09:57:12 Wed
Aug 12 2009
Re: New highbanker
Has anyone tried the G-1 on the Nome beach yet?

Dan,
Good Idea on the plywood base, I'll try that, Thanks.

Tanglefoot

catsmeow
07:17:57 Fri
Aug 14 2009
Re: New highbanker
Does anybody have any experience with using a honda water pump on the G-1? more specificily 5 hp 152 gal/min....joel recomended that i get a pump from harbor freight but the shipping will take to long at this point and there is a honda dealer in my town that has water pumps....

RUSTY_HAPPY_CAM
14:52:19 Fri
Aug 14 2009
Re: New highbanker
I am sure the suggestion of the Harbor fright pump was to save you money. Factory Honda pumps are one of the best built combination's on the market but tend to be on the expensive side. The WX15 should work ok on the High banker set up if you don't Ask to much of it or plan to use the suction nozzle. It is super light weight and easily carried. The WH15 would make an excellent choice if you plan on using a lot of hose, have high lift or want to use the suction nozzle. It is a high pressure pump that is close to a dredge pump in out put. Almost any of the Honda line will work for high banking, just some are better than others.

QuartzvilleMiner
15:28:28 Fri
Aug 14 2009
Re: New highbanker
Just curious but most every comment in this thread says "found in first riffle on top tray". Has anyone found anything in the lower tray? If all the fines and ultras are in the top tray then what's the bottom tray for? Stability? Or is the stuff in the bottom so fine you can't see it without a micro?

gold_tender
21:33:09 Fri
Aug 14 2009
Re: New highbanker




One more question Quartzville-M. How much gold of a specific
amount is blowing out the end of the sluice.I hope someone can
answer this for me..Would hope this gold is in the range of 100
to 200 mesh that is used.:confused:

QuartzvilleMiner
22:58:16 Fri
Aug 14 2009
Re: New highbanker
I'll have to let the others who actually use this thing answer that one but everyone so far is saying when they check the tailings there nothing,,,Everything has been caught.

gold_tender
05:54:49 Sat
Aug 15 2009
Re: New highbanker

Thanks Quartzville ,I didn't mean the question was for you to
answer,it was merely the last question in a statement. Im an
Oregon beach miner and our gold is very fine. This is why it
is very important to us, especially the loss of fine gold in size
of 100 to 400 mesh.I would like to see a true test with a specific
amount of gold.If this machine is as good as they say maybe
someone someday will do a proper test. Gold-tender

DanBrunner
17:05:41 Sun
Aug 16 2009
Re: New highbanker
I just got back from running my G1 in old channel dirt. We repanned the tailings a couple of times and didn't find anything in there. We found a couple of the larger pieces of gold in the first riffle of the upper tray, but the rest of it was all in the lower tray. We did 7 trips, 6 buckets per trip, and a cleanup between each trip, so we ended up running 42 buckets of dirt for this cleanup. Each trip took about an hour to complete which included picking, shoveling, filling buckets, processing buckets in the highbanker, cleaning up, and panning. The reason we used buckets is because our water supply was too far away to shovel dirt directly into the highbanker.






catsmeow
07:03:36 Wed
Aug 19 2009
Re: New highbanker
Nice Cleanup, holy crap 42 two buckets between two people thats alot of work, must have taken you all day!! cant wait till i get my G-1, i have a two dozen spots i want to check befor winter gets here!!

steelman14
09:59:47 Fri
Aug 21 2009
Re: New highbanker
Would the G1 or G2 work under this trommel. Any opinion would be appreciated.


DanBrunner
03:26:54 Sat
Aug 22 2009
Re: New highbanker
Nice looking rig. I dont' think it would be a problem at all... I've been able to double shovel into the G1 without any problems. I'm guessing that the trommel has a separate discharge for the oversized rocks right? What size flows through the end of your machine there?

steelman14
11:07:01 Sat
Aug 22 2009
Re: New highbanker
Dan
Thanks for the compliment, it will discharge rocks about 4 1/2" in size.

I sent a pm to the guy I think makes them but I didn't get a response I am trying to get the price of a G1,

Steel


RUSTY_HAPPY_CAM
17:46:00 Sat
Aug 22 2009
Re: New highbanker
This seems to be about the average price for these units. Ebay # 120345857645

DanBrunner
03:30:24 Sun
Aug 23 2009
Re: New highbanker
Well depending on the shape of the rocks that pass through, you may have to raise the spraybar a little so the rocks can flow underneath it. I haven't measured it, but it seems to have about 2 - 3" of clearance.

steelman14
10:42:09 Mon
Aug 24 2009
Re: New highbanker
Dan

the trommel barrel size is 8" and the inlet at the hopper is 5 1/2'.

baub
16:36:18 Mon
Aug 24 2009
Re: New highbanker
It would be nice if Joel could advertise directly on this forum.

b

DanBrunner
18:55:55 Mon
Aug 31 2009
Re: New highbanker
More G1 Results - 85% of this was in the first riffle, 10% was in the second and third riffle, and the last 5% made it down to the bottom tray. This was 5 buckets of unclassified material with clay mixed in.








catsmeow
05:35:33 Tue
Sep 1 2009
Re: New highbanker
DanBrunner, what size pump did you use on your G-1 for that recovery, thanks catsmeow

DanBrunner
04:04:56 Wed
Sep 2 2009
Re: New highbanker
This is the pump Joel recommended. I'm using this pump at a very low idle when highbanking. It has also worked with the 3" dredge attachment, but you really have to crank it up.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=95977

I really like this pump. Runs like a champ.

catsmeow
01:27:41 Thu
Sep 3 2009
Re: New highbanker
Wow 5 buckets vs 42 buckets from befor!! and it looks like you recovered about the same amount of gold.....what did you do different?? if i might ask?

DanBrunner
03:58:28 Thu
Sep 3 2009
Re: New highbanker
Its kinda like Real Estate... Location, Location, Location. :smile: It seems the area I'm in tends to run in pockets. Its all old channel gold, so its hard to "read the stream" to figure out where you want to go. For example, when we ran 42 buckets, we would run 6 and get some color, run 6 more without a thing, then run 6 more and get color again. We didn't change anything with the highbanker, even the location was relatively the same, its just that some buckets had it and others didnt.

goldcoastprospector
23:04:17 Sat
Sep 12 2009
Re: New highbanker
I just scored a used G1 with the 3" dredge attachment off ebay and I need some advice please. I'm in the market for a pump and motor. I know Joel recommends a harbor freight combo and in a earlier post someone said it works well with the dredge attachment but they have to crank the motor up full bore. My question is what size pump and motor should I use to get the same performance at a lower RPM so I'm a little quieter out in field with a 3' nozzle. Thanx Mark P.S. Joel reshoot your video for your web site your original video doesn't do the machine justice. The thing is alot bigger and the drop riffles are deeper and wider than I thought it would be. Its my 1st piece of mechanized equipment and I think I made the right choice.

auldrider
00:14:31 Sun
Sep 13 2009
Re: New highbanker
I second that about the video's on Joel's site, they are well out of date and need to include the dredging option in operation! :confused:

nikaia1
17:47:13 Mon
Sep 6 2010
Re: New highbanker
I have Keene's and Jobe's. They all work well. I bought the entire G1 and S1 system from US Prospectors... I don't use any of the other equipment now. My partner just yesterday got a little nervous that we might be loosing some color as we were just dumping buckets into the G1... total run of 7 full buckets. He dug out the dirt at the output end of the sluice and panned it out...One sugar grain size piece was all he could find...I'm happy. Were going to go ahead and make a you tube video of how we use the G1 and post it soon. I mean we throw everything at it..no classifying at all. This is the greatest sluice I've ever used. Give me a few weeks to get the video up..were so busy grabbing the little bits of gold we can out of an area known for having hardly any that we just haven't had the time to video..

LipCa
19:36:10 Mon
Sep 6 2010
Re: New highbanker
If you can do six buckets of "picking, shoveling, filling buckets, processing buckets in the highbanker, cleaning up, and panning" in an hour, Dan, "you're the man!"

I'm not saying you can't, just that you've got it down!

DanBrunner
19:13:32 Tue
Sep 7 2010
Re: New highbanker
LipCa,

Yea, its taken me a bit to figure it out, but I've got the system figured out pretty good now. I've replaced the "picking" with a generator and a Bosch rotohammer with a chisel bit which tears through the old channel much quicker than the old pick did. From there shoveling goes pretty quick. I usually try to process about 5 buckets at a time with quick cleanups in between. I start with the upper tray which usually carries 90% of the gold. I rinse it down in a mortar tub, then run the contents of the mortar tub through a 1/4" classifier. Check the big rocks and toss the trash, then I back pan into the mortar tub picking out what I can see. Once I'm done panning I dump the contents of the mortar tub into a "cons" bucket for a little more TLC later. I do the same with the lower tray, but like I said, the G1 upper tray catches 90% so I generally quick pan the lower one.

I'd say, if I have a good water supply where I can set up the highbanker next to my diggings, I can easily process 6 buckets an hour by myself... The bulk of the time there tends to be cleaning the screen after each shovel full. Oh also forgot, I modded my G1 by creating a wooden boiler box that sits inside the PVC spraybar. The boilerbox lets me run a little higher water pressure, supports a bucket, and keeps water/dirt from splashing out of the header. Total life saver.

QuartzvilleMiner
19:48:11 Tue
Sep 7 2010
Re: New highbanker
Nice. I really love this thread. Could you post some pictures or drawing of your boiler box? And are you running around the 50gpm or higher? And if this thing works that well on fines I wonder if it would be worth trying on beach gold in Oregon. Maybe just turn the water volume down a bit.

DanBrunner
21:19:52 Tue
Sep 7 2010
Re: New highbanker
QM. Heres some shots of my setup.





BTW, I'm just up here in Washington State. It may be fun to take a trip down south. What are the regulations for running equipment on the beach?

QuartzvilleMiner
18:52:06 Thu
Sep 9 2010
Re: New highbanker
Very nice setup. Almost exactly what I'm looking for. Isn't there supposed to be water coming from the left and right pipe too on the washer unit? Did you block that off with new pipe with no holes or does all the water coming in only come from the bottom pipe?

As for the regs in Oregon I'll have to look it up, things are changing fast down here so I don't know if they call pumping water from the ocean a "diversion of the natural course" or not. Don't know if it requires the $125 permit or just the $2 permit if your on a state park like beverly beach.

DanBrunner
04:24:16 Tue
Sep 14 2010
Re: New highbanker
Mine came with holes only in the front bar. I kinda like it that way.

nikaia1
07:45:35 Thu
Sep 16 2010
Re: New highbanker
Here's the G1 in action. Just click on this link...

http://s376.photobucket.com/albums/oo210/mr_mestizo/US%20Prospectors%20G1/?action=view¤t=GS1tenmin_0001.mp4

The top vial is a 12 bucket run of top soil we were trying to determine whether it was worth keeping and running it or just pushing it aside. The bottom vial was a five bucket run from the center of one of our better ditch's. Also, notice the fines mixed in with the black sands in the lower vial. I love this high banker...



QuartzvilleMiner
13:24:36 Thu
Sep 16 2010
Re: New highbanker
Really nice! Looks like it does just fine with the really small stuff like they said. Is that an Opal in that bottom vial there?

nikaia1
22:06:08 Fri
Sep 17 2010
Re: New highbanker
I wasn't sure. The camera magnify s the stuff. Went back and looked.. I believe it was just a bit of dirty encrusted gold.

nikaia1
22:18:56 Fri
Sep 17 2010
Re: New highbanker
Quote: QuartzvilleMiner at 18:52:06 Thu Sep 9 2010

Very nice setup. Almost exactly what I'm looking for. Isn't there supposed to be water coming from the left and right pipe too on the washer unit? Did you block that off with new pipe with no holes or does all the water coming in only come from the bottom pipe?

As for the regs in Oregon I'll have to look it up, things are changing fast down here so I don't know if they call pumping water from the ocean a "diversion of the natural course" or not. Don't know if it requires the $125 permit or just the $2 permit if your on a state park like beverly beach.


Hi there Quartzvilleminer..
The spray bar is set up with the holes in only the crossover. This is to direct the material upwards in the washout area and to kind of scrub it at the same time. It really does work well. It even keeps some good size rocks in the wash until you pull them out. You'll notice in the video I have on the post above (G1 in action), how we actually toss stuff that isn't quite scrubbed enough right back into the feed hopper. I have no association with US Prospectors other than buying their stuff and really liking it. I have 2 other high-bankers, two dredges, and a few sluices. The G1 is the only machine I now use. I also have the S1 but I can't attest to it as I have not run it but once. I liked it but I didn't really test it against my spiral wheel or blue bowl. It definitely caught the fines and was 500 percent faster and easier to use with that feeder.

PS> had to add that the dredges are great and I would prefer them but since I moved here to the desert its just not going to happen. I have to haul my buckets about 15 miles to a river to wash them. Desert prospecting is a bunch different than the good old days on the rivers of Calif.

QuartzvilleMiner
18:53:30 Wed
Sep 22 2010
Re: New highbanker
Now what I'm seeing looks like your machine (g-1) is setup in your shop/garage as a recycling system. Perfect! Question is what kind/size/volume electric pump are you using for this? I can see you plugged into the wall so I'm figuring it's 110v.

DanBrunner
23:35:26 Wed
Sep 22 2010
Re: New highbanker
Thats just a 1hp trash pump from harbor freight. I believe its around 750 watts or so. Runs great on my Honda 2000i generator when i'm up in the hills. Its a super quiet setup for stealth operations. :smile:

charlene91
13:07:13 Fri
Oct 8 2010
Re: New highbanker
hi you all you all sound like a lot of WHINERS looking for a free ride well in the real world you get what you pay for and if you donot like what is out there then make what you think would be better if not then shut up

kringle_mining
16:05:31 Fri
Oct 8 2010
Re: New highbanker
Hey Charlene, Did you take off to the lower 48 yet?

jjbond
04:36:44 Thu
Feb 3 2011
Re: New highbanker
Prototype G-1 for sale, see this link.

http://bb.bbboy.net/alaskagoldforum-viewthread?forum=2&thread=1063

Jennifer

Jbax3
23:06:41 Sat
Dec 31 2011
Matt---
Hi--
My brother (Cal--- & a Minelab dealer) and I (Colorado) are retiring over the next 18 months and are looking for someone in NZ or Australia interested in hooking up for a 90-day (the limits of our visas!) prospecting [mostly armed with GPX5000's] adventure in either NZ or WA. Would you know of anyone capable of ditching normal for 3 months?

LipCa
03:30:29 Sun
Jan 1 2012
Re: Matt---
somebody got up on the wrong side of the bed!

DonnyB
14:17:39 Fri
Jan 6 2012
Re: New highbanker
I hope I'm using the right "Reply" button here! If not, I'm sorry. It's been about 16 months since anyone's made any posts about the G1/S1. Any more reviews? Anyone have anything to add, pro or con, regarding this system? Has anything better come out in the last 16 months? :confused:

JOE_S_INDY
15:51:45 Fri
Jan 6 2012
Re: New highbanker
Donny,

I couldn't be happier with mine.

Just like any other highbanker of the same rough width, anything larger than a shovel in operation would have to be looked at to see if too much material would flood the box.

Not usually a problem when I shovel all day into one. Half shovel full’s for an hour or two at a clean-up. Slow and easy wins the race every time.

I pan out every 'classification cut' by hand until the Gold just gets too small - and then the S-1 takes over. After that a Neo Magnet clears out the Magnetite, Hematite and Ferro Platinum (to be panned separately) - leaving just a small chore to pan out the smallist stuff.

Joe


DonnyB
20:10:18 Fri
Jan 6 2012
Re: New highbanker
Hi Joe. Cool, thanks for the update. I read through every single post from beginning to end. When I saw the posts drop around Sept 2010 I thought "uh oh... maybe not selling them any more". If all goes well financially I'll be buying both this spring. I've never prospected before. Got the bug tho, and want to do a tour out west. If I'm lucky, maybe even Yukon and Alaska. Thanks again for your reply. Much appreciated :smile:.



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