Buiding a trapping cabin???
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TRAPHAPPY
08:08:40 Tue
Apr 29 2003
Buiding a trapping cabin???
I was wondering what the laws or restrictions were on building a trapping cabin in the big AK... is there any sites I can go to answer my question???

THANKS A BUNCH

Jim_Alaska
16:24:27 Tue
Apr 29 2003
Re: Buiding a trapping cabin???
This is the Alaska Dept of Natural Resources page on the subject: http://www.dnr.state.ak.us/mlw/factsht/trap_cabin.pdf


gr8wtnorth
18:08:09 Tue
Apr 29 2003
Re: Buiding a trapping cabin???
If your line is on Federal land...forget it. They not only will not allow you to build one but BLM has been burning down existing cabins for a few years now (they got mine two years ago). When asked why they were burning cabins, their response was...."We're NOT burning cabins down. We're disassembling them because of liability. We don't want any cabins we did not build to our specifications so we do not end up with a lawsuit in case it collapses in on you and your wife wants a lawsuit." Of course, the three the cabins I have seen "disassembled" were moved down to the ice 100 feet or less and the pieces were burnt so it would leave without a trace during breakup.

martentrapper
03:06:45 Wed
Apr 30 2003
Re: Buiding a trapping cabin???
That is not completely true, Ace. The US Fish& Wildlife Service, which manages the wildlife refuges, has a published cabin policy. That policy allows local subsistence users to build cabins on refuge property for recognized subsistence uses. I have such a cabin.
If your looking to build a part time or recreational cabin, then forget it. Unless you find some private land. There are many different landowners up here. Building a cabin depends on who owns the land you want to build on.
mt

gr8wtnorth
04:18:26 Wed
Apr 30 2003
Re: Buiding a trapping cabin???
I may be wrong MT, but I'm sure you will let me know if I am.....but I was under the impression that no future cabins will be allowed to be constructed even on refuge property. Anyway that is what BLM and the Park service told me recently concerning refuges. BLM will not allow any.... period! I believe Traphappy was also not going to qualify for subsistence use either since he was going to be living around Fairbanks...I think he said. Oh well...have fun in your cabin and enjoy it while it lasts. As Jim pointed out, Traphappy you can still put in for a cabin on State land...for now anyway.

martentrapper
07:42:14 Wed
Apr 30 2003
Re: Buiding a trapping cabin???
I don't think the BLM office can speak for the refuges, tho they may wish you to believe they can. The last time I spoke with refuge personal in Galena, the cabin policy was still in effect. To qualify as a subsistence user, you have to live in an area that the feds consider "rural" You also have to have a history of use in that particular refuge. All of this is subject to interpretation, and as refuge staff changes, so can interpretation. I would suspect that each refuge has it's own interpretation of how to enforce the cabin policy. I believe the F&W service has an office in Fbks and you can probably get a copy of the cabin policy from them.
There was a time when BLM offered, for a small fee, something like a home site lot(not homestaeading) and business site lots. I specifically remember the upper north fork of the Kuskokwim as one of the areas these were offered in. Also the upper Nowitna. I know a professional trapper who lives full time, year round, on the Hogatza River in NW alaska on one of these BLM business sites. I do not know if these sites are still available in this state.
I do not know the Park Service policy on cabins. Again, I would suspect it is open to interpretation. You may very well get a different answer from a park service office in, say, Kotzebue. All the Park units (not preserves) are more strict on who is a subsistence user. You have to actually live in the park area.
I believe a person who lives in Fbks during the summer, but spends the winter trapping in a refuge, could qualify as a subsistence user on that refuge. It depends on how much time the person spends using the refuge, and to some extent, where the person claims permanent residence. There are many rural residents who leave rural alaska to work seasonally.
mt

gr8wtnorth
18:04:44 Wed
Apr 30 2003
Re: Buiding a trapping cabin???
The policy is, Your MAIN place of residence has to be in the refuge. I am a Summer resident of Chitna but I do not qualify to hunt in the refuge or fish the river as a subsistence user since I do not live there 80% of the time. With me, living the Summers in Chitina and trapping in Coldfoot area in the Winter, makes it hard since I do not qualify "permanent residence" in either place. The BLM still has the "business" permits but they only allow you to erect a wall tent now. You must pay a rental fee of $225 a year and be bonded for $1000 plus apply for a wood cutting permit and jump through all kind of hoops to register your camp site. It's getting rediculous. The "residency" rules make it almost impossible now days to qualify. They have you even bring in your PFD papers and see where you have it sent. It's not like it used to be and changing daily it seems.



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