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DanfromNY
10:31:57 Tue
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"Gold Rush Yukon"Discovery Channel, "How Not to Mine"

Seriously, who didnt see the Hoffmans getting tossed off Earl Fosters claim as soon as the claim holder saw his 20%? These guys showed no prospecting ability at all. They were just digging holes guessing and hoping, thats not how prospecting goes.Why would anyone waste time washing dirt without any gold in it? They just werent testing the ground with conventional methods, a pan and a shovel.Now they have flown to the Yukon in the middle of winter to meet a guy in a bar?How can you test the ground if you cant see it? Water is key to gold recovery, if you dont have water to wash the material,youve got to haul the water or the material to each other,both expensive operations. The new claim holder has 50 claims,but showed these guys "The One" with gold nuggets on it? Come on,ha ha If anybody wants to be part owner of a bridge in NY, send me some cash.Ive talked to some miners from around Dawson, access and water arent at this location.So why arent they up there now moving equipment over the tundra while its covered with snow and ice? Because they shouldve dug several ponds their first summer to catch the snow runoff so they would have water to run with.At least theyre out of Alaska, they cant dig any more ponds next to waterways.I cant imagine what a headache this show must be to DNR people showing "how not to mine".Most miners I know dont have a 1/4 of a million to go play miner with, and would never spend 15 grand on an old rusted JIG, ha ha.Lets hope that "Gold Rush Yukon" shows us all how to fly big machinery into a wilderness claim, along with water.The Hoffmans own an airport and have flying skills, they should be all set.Its just TV and should be watched for its entertainment value not for any educational content. Good Luck this season to all, Later Dan

  
Tom_Twosocks
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I want to watch the Replacement Crew at Porcupine Creek go at it.

The owners rep has forgotten more than the others will ever learn.

I just wish I could have sold them a Bridge before they went North, just like you said Dan.

Tom 2 Socks

  
LipCa
17:54:03 Tue
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Everytime they showed their dredge riffles, they looked like they were overloaded and clogged?

I think maybe you could do good rerunning their waste? One would think there was more than a dozen ounces in 60,000 yards or so?

  
DanfromNY
21:41:45 Tue
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Yes LipCa, Exactly, When you see riffles packed to the top with material and theres gold all the way down the length of the sluice, Yes they are losing gold somewhere. If the ball bearings on the jig are all compacted, nothing gets thru them. They didnt show them testing or calibrating the jig once, if they even knew how to set it up.Some equipment doesnt work at all, such as i have had the same experience with the M7 wave table.

  
Muley
02:02:32 Wed
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The show should be re-named to "The Great Oregan money disposal project" or "Mining BY Dummies" or DUH mining incorporated or "Leave it too the Hoffman's" or "Todd, The mining menace show" or The I Love waisting money Show" or LOL Mining or Sucessful Mining by Todd Hoffman.:devil:

and my favorite one " Skidmark Miner's Inc, Coming to a property near you"
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steelman14
11:53:19 Wed
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I recall reading on the 'net' that these types of reality shows are paid $75,000.00 per episode so maybe this explains

the haphazard mining, or the lack of effective planning.

Steel

  
billcosta_rica
13:34:52 Wed
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Skid Mark Miners Inc. now that is funny:smile:

bill-cr

  
trnelson
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LipCa, are you suggesting it would be profitable to go after 12 ounces mixed with 60,000 yards of gravel ranging from fines to boulders?

And those were not dredge riffles, as there was no dredge involved.

The Hoffmans neglected the most important asset to any gold miner, a bulldozer. They had no stripping program. Even a dragline would have been worth far more than their 400 Hitachi.

I really think their biggest downfall was that they got excited over a few colors and don't know what 'pay' is. By the time they hit good colors they had potholed down without stripping to it which made it impossible to get to before freeze up. A dozer could have stripped the whole 6 weeks while they futzed with their plant.

We can all play captain hindsight but its just wasted hot air.

  
rlh1946
14:50:06 Thu
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I saw a dozer on the show , they just didn't use it enough.



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peluk
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If a stripping project was the best move,trnelson,how would they know how far to strip or if they could afford to strip that much?

Wouldn't a series of drill holes be a good start.It would appear,the Hitachi hole was a compromise given the time alloted.

They would have to have stepped the pit for safety which would require at least that much stripping however.The flush wall beside the Hitachi was not wise.

  
kringle_mining
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The owner will probably capitalize on that massive hole this up coming summer.

  
rlh1946
21:33:27 Thu
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I worked as a forman at a strip pit coal mine for over 11 years....I know how I would have done it.



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LipCa
05:45:58 Fri
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My mistake saying "dredge" as to the riffles. I know they did not have a dredge. (Probably said it because I was building dredge riffles earlier in the day)

I didn"t say anything about going AFTER 12 ounces. I said one would think there was MORE than a dozen ounces in 60,000 yards.

Meaning they probably lost a lot of gold during their little exercise.

Their material that ran thru the box should be pretty free of any boulders. I don't recall, but wasn't it down to about 1" minus in the box?

  
trnelson
22:06:40 Fri
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LipCa, I understand now :smile:

As for the tailings left behind, all tailings get thrown together in the end. A smart miner near the road system could possibly benefit from sorting the already classified material into piles for sale to construction outfits to recoup cost of mining. But I have never seen it done. What usually happens is everything gets shoved and mixed (tailings pile up, gotta get rid of them to make room for more tailings). So the boulders the first grizzly sorted out are most likely mixed right back in with the 1" minus from the sluice as well as whatever comes out of the jig. Go check out an old mined-out claim and you will see all different sizes of gravel mixed together. As a sluicing operation moves up the creek you can seldom tell exactly what direction pay and tailings were pushed.

I wouldn't bother trying to re-sluice their tailings anyway because a pan from the bottom of the hole is going to yield a lot more gold than stuff that was already sluiced by such a complex wash plant. Whatever gold they did lose is just so diluted with waste rock its not economical to mine.

Peluk, what I meant was they did not need 2 excavators. Use one to dig a few sample pits (just like they did) and when a gold reserve is found start stripping from there towards the trees. Old trees are a sign that the area has not been mined yet. But I say it like it's that easy. There is the inevitable flooding to deal with. A bigger hole is a bigger cavity to fill with water. That's why I suggested a dragline.


  
DanfromNY
15:57:41 Wed
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Amazing,, now it turns out that the one machine they had that did work,their black sand seperator, wasnt exactly as described. So they Discovery channel was giving out bad info in order to protect this guys future patent? Hmm That almost doesnt seem right, but its just like the government,so its acceptable,Buyer beware.

  
peluk
17:19:19 Wed
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Dan,"Discovery Channel" gave out information given to them.
The machine used was the machine and technology available and it was being upgraded further yet at that point.

  
DanfromNY
01:53:45 Fri
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Yes Peluk, I see that they only give out information that they are given, but does that make it right to go looking for a mining claim in a bar? The Discovery Channel seems to imply thats the only way to find a claim. Where as its probably the worst way to get involved with mining.At least theyre out of Alaska,

  
Muley
14:04:58 Fri
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Hey bartender we need another round over here.
These Skidmark miners are great if you have a claim and you want someone to remove all the overburden from your paystreak and then pack up and leave, so all you have to do is come in and start running the high grade zone.
Put this round on Todd's tab.

  
peluk
16:57:32 Fri
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Dan,the funny thing...or sad truth.. is,an awful lot of business is conducted in bars. Nome is no different.I say"sad truth"because I have better things to do than sit like a horse at a trough when it's just information I want or business I want to conduct.The "Outdoor Channel"is not far off the mark there if they want to generalize.

It's been that way with construction jobs as well for as far back as I can remember.

  
DanfromNY
21:33:59 Fri
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Yes Peluk, I know about bars, Ive been in the bar business in NY for 30 years.Realtors would talk about house flipping, car salesman talked about spinning back the odometer, and the drug dealers got thrown out as fast as we could catch them.Mosy honest prospecting is done by research, reading, asking questions, then putting some "elbow grease" into it, by actually doing some physical work, by drilling or some other form of sampling and panning, and more panning, and then more panning, to i forget to mention more panning? These guys had no idea how to sample and kept looking for a "big pile" of gold, which we know doesnt exist.Or maybe I should be more irish and say, we will find that "pot of Gold" ha ha Its entertaining Tv thats for sure, see you in a few weeks

  

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