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Dredge work ( 21:09:24 TueFeb 14 2012 )

Hello everybody. I am newb, and have been joing some of these forums trying to line up some work for this summer. Any and all help would be appreciated. As I have stated on another forum, I can't show my determination or work ethic online. But I will be up there this summer, so again, any and all leads will be appreciated.

I have no issue taking a smaller share due to inexperience. I will do what it takes to prove my salt. As on another post, I too am very bored in my corporate existence.

  
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Re: Dredge work ( 18:39:09 WedFeb 15 2012 )

There is NO gold-rush. You are trading some measure of financial security for a fantasy job. If you get a job (doubtful at best), it will never be an adventure because it is a job and the boss expects you to work.

Take a vacation. See for yourself. But you better understand that there are only so many motel rooms available and no place to camp. So book ahead.

Folks this is 2012. The wild west ended long ago. ALL LAND is under someones management/ownership.

Why do you suppose every operator is a newbie? Why are the old-timers sitting in rocking chairs grinning? It ain't the Glenlivet the old-timers can now afford by leasing their claim to TV producers. It is funny. A Chinese fire-drill. It is "Dumb and Dumber" meet "The Simpsons."

And 10's of thousands want to rush up there and be part of the dope show? Take plenty of money so you can support the local economy. Oh and make sure you have and hold on to a plane ticket home.

The few that do make a living have paid dearly for their education. And one big thing they have learned is a newbie rarely ever earns their keep. You will also notice that they aren't on the show much. They aren't out there in a 20' quasi-rafts or buying an articulating dump truck without the revenue stream to support it. They don't buy someone's junk without testing it. In this business, slip up and you hustle for a winter job to cover your screw-up.

The only reason I'm speaking up is that any influx of inexperienced WILL violate some/many environmental laws and then it all goes away; like camping on the beach at Nome. And the influx will be the result of a manufactured for TV gold rush which isn't real, just a TV drama.

Reality TV is not. Reality is boring, tedious and frustrating. Nobody wants to watch their own boring life. The gold rush is NOT real. It was made for TV.

Take a vacation and see. Don't destroy what little boring but reasonably financially secure life you have and trash-can it on a fantasy. Things mighty not look so good, but screw-up now and it WILL really go bad in an instant. No one can afford to help others out much now. Can you? Now imagine asking a friend or neighbor for help after you threw everything away chasing a fake gold-rush.

  
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Re: Dredge work ( 18:45:29 WedFeb 15 2012 )



Contact me for a summer job. Are you a certified diver?


Jlindsey@bluewatergold.com

  
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Re: Dredge work ( 13:18:26 ThuFeb 16 2012 )

Good Luck in your search.

  
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Re: Dredge work ( 17:07:42 ThuFeb 16 2012 )

Overtheedge is right on. If you are doing it for the "alaska experience" you will probably have a great time. If you are looking on paying your way, good luck.

Here's a link to a video I made after my Nome experience. It pretty much sums up how things can go in alaska. I was lucky as I had somewhat of a support group where I was.

http://golddredgervideo.com/alaska2008/2008part3.wmv

It features me in a rare appearance. I was the only one within about 10 miles from where I was.

Leonard

  
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Re: Dredge work ( 19:58:37 ThuFeb 16 2012 )

Leonard ...Hope you had a backup bottle of "wild turkey":confused:



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Re: Dredge work ( 22:17:50 ThuFeb 16 2012 )

They actually sold it at Nome so I survivrd.

What really surprised me was the trading post at Manley had a bottle on the shelf. He had to dust it off as it hadn't moved for a long time, probably because most bought the cheap stuff, but the price was the same as in Fairbanks.

The first year I went to alaska, 2006, I arrived at the usual 1:00 am and we left Fairbanks after a 2:30 am breakfast at Denny's. That got me up to the Eureka area with out alcohol of any kind. Not even beer. My hosts didn't drink. After several days of me complaining, we went to a local big game guides house and he had a case of Makers Mark that one of his wheel customers from Makers Mark had brought him. He wasn't home but we "requistioned a bottle and replaced it a few days later after we had visited Manley.

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Re: Dredge work ( 23:17:52 ThuFeb 16 2012 )

HI I also am willing to do a 3 month stint in the summer dredging. I have a 45 ft twin screw pontoon boat that could be easily conveted, but how would we get it there?? Any info would be great.. Im sure its not easy
but what is?

  
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Re: Dredge work ( 23:37:46 ThuFeb 16 2012 )

I think you speak wisely... I just wanted to know what was truly going on there. Hollywood made goldrush no doubt..The show has been comical at best.

  
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Re: Dredge work ( 06:34:10 FriFeb 17 2012 )

I was talking to a gent this evening in Nevada. He ships out of seattle to Nome. My uncle and I are planning on building a vessel for next year and we will hopefully ship it. He has mention a 20 day voyage around the aleutian islands and the follow the coast to Nome. I would rather have the 20 days in Nome. A lot can happen in 1200 plus miles. good luck

  
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Re: Dredge work ( 17:27:40 FriFeb 17 2012 )

let me know how you make out finding someone to dredge with.. do you know how to get a claim for the bering sea?

  
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Re: Dredge work ( 17:31:07 FriFeb 17 2012 )

Hey Scoobydoo,
I live in Southern Nevada close to Vegas. I have access to a 45 foot pontoon boat with twin diesels. I have been reading up on whats needed for dredging the bering sea..not sure where to find claims though.Any info would be great.. maybe we could team up! Im not afraid of hard or harsh working conditions..or email me at russ_63@yahoo.com

  
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Re: Dredge work ( 18:43:48 FriFeb 17 2012 )

For everyone new to the Nome area a trip with the GPAA where you're garenteed to have food and a place to sleep would be a great first step to really see whats happening there in real life. Then you can try to figure out how to make it work on your own. Doug.

  
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Re: Dredge work ( 21:25:59 WedFeb 22 2012 )

That should be Certified nut/diver



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Re: Dredge work ( 07:38:10 WedMar 7 2012 )

James Here, How do you find out more about the GPAA and how to get logding there and what they offer and the cost. I've have been doing a lot of reading and it seems you can't beleive everything you read with out geting a first hand experance.If all the leases are taken up and the state does not plan on auctioning off anymore leases until 2021 how far do the lease extend out to sea. Where does international waters begin and how deep is the water out there. Is there dreghes that work that far out to see.
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Re: Dredge work ( 17:52:29 WedMar 7 2012 )


GPAA website:
http://www.goldprospectors.org/Events/Alaska/tabid/59/Default.aspx

GPAA is good, but not for everyone. Most people get more bang for their buck there than others ways people visit Nome for the first time. I recommend this for most people.

Shipping a 45' pontoon boat from Seattle to Nome on the barge will cost in the region of $40k to $50k; from what I understand.

Leases: Last I checked, the AK DNR has not updated the lease map on their website, to reflect the new owners, or even locations. The important part of what you're asking is how deep is the seaward edge of the leases, and that is mostly around 90 feet, at the 3-mile State line. There are no international waters nearby, for one, Norton Sound is not big enough, and two, Russia is too close for there to be international waters between us and them.

Leases: "Mining" in non-leased offshore State waters is not allowed; although "Exploration" is allowed. To make a decent run at mining out that deep would take about $50M; I could put together an exploration operation for $5M that would also be capable of mining in shallower (leased) water.

  
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Nome ( 06:37:01 ThuMar 8 2012 )

James here! Thank you for the reply.
If it is so hard to get to Nome, why hasn't anyone started a ferry business from the closest Alasken Road that connects to the Alaska Highway. I've been to Alaska three times on cruise ships and you never stay long enough in any port to really learn any thing about Alaska except its beautiful up there, when the weather is nice.

My dad worked on the Alaska pipe line before he retired. Except for the bears that liked to carry off the workers. One day they heard a yell. They looked up and a bear was carring off one of the workers, so they ran down to the ranger station to report it. About the time they got to the ranger station their friend was running down the road. They asked him what happened, and he stated when that dam bear put me down to eat me, I left as fast as I could run. Then he showed them the teeth marks on his belly and back side.


He stated he had a good time fishing and panning for gold on his days off and Alaska was a beautiful place to visit, but you could'nt afford to live there and when winter started to set in, it was time for him to come home.

You really have to be a die hard to want to stay through the winter to dredge through a hole in the ice just to look for a few grams of gold.

What does everyone do with their dredges when winter sets in. Do they dry dock them or pull them out of the water for the winter?

I beleive Alaska is one of the last places on earth where your not the hunter, but the prey, in the water or out.

  
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Re: Nome ( 17:22:18 ThuMar 8 2012 )


Flying to Nome is not a problem, there are three 737 flights from Anchorage every day of the week. Finding accommodations at any reasonable price is the hard part. Due to limited housing options, high costs of living, and very high government housing subsidy programs, the housing prices in Nome are about double what you'd expect in Fairbanks or Seattle.

In the winter all the dredges are pulled out of the water and stored, most take off and secure the expensive parts; to prevent damage from weather and other elements. In the ocean dredges have to be much tougher and bigger to be able to work in daily weather, which makes them much more expensive than river dredges. Even then the conditions only allow for 10 to 12 weeks a year of operation.

  
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Re: Nome ( 03:06:30 FriMar 9 2012 )

James here, Thanks for the reply. I did follow your link to the GPAA. Have not had a chance to read it yet. I wrote them an email and they did not reply. A contact reply stated this email no longer working?

Does the waters around Nome freeze over during the winter months?

With the cost of equipment getting to Nome being so high wouldn't a very be cheaper, if it didn't have to travel as far.

If Nome really wanted to expand and get on the map they should put in a shipping or docking peer for crews ships. millions of people would then be able to visit Nome and spend money in their economy. Just think of all the activities Nome could plan for the tourest.

I'm like most individuals that think their are to many government regulations and safety reg. that tie up the growth of the economy. To much old money that does not want to see the economy grow and you have to wait out until they die off to get any changes made.
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Re: Nome ( 05:47:21 FriMar 9 2012 )


The GPAA website seems fairly self-explanatory and geared towards non-computer savvy people, so I suggest reading it through before wasting their time with questions that are probably covered on their site.

I'm not going to tell you whether or not the waters around Nome freeze. Here is a map from the NOAA ice desk showing the current ice conditions between Alaska and Siberia:
http://pafc.arh.noaa.gov/ice.php?img=fullice

Nome already has a shipping and docking peer, that is how Nome gets the majority of its annual cargo, supplies, and fuel. Most equipment comes in on barges (not ferries), but it is still very expensive because it has to travel thousands of miles.

Several passenger cruise ships come to Nome each year, but it's not situated in a good geographic region for the short week-long cruises.
http://www.nomealaska.org/department/?fDD=14-0

Nome has a strong tourist industry that sometimes maxes out the capacity of the hotels and other elements of the economy.


  

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