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geowizard
02:33:13 Mon
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Your own piece of Alaska?

Well, here's your chance!

Ever thought about having your own mining claim on Moore Creek? Ganes Creek? or Yankee Creek? I am offering an opportunity for ambitious miners to get into their own mining property on these famous creeks.

Send me a PM.

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geowizard
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I would also note, these claims are on geophysical bedrock and/or alluvial conductive anomalies!

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chickenminer
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Quote: geowizard at 17:16:06 Mon Mar 18 2013


The cardinal lines are property lines. Note: My neighbor is mining on my claim (busted) !:confused:
- Geowizard


Wiz ....
What are you basing that accusation on? Have you been on the ground physically and located your neighbors corners?

Some folks seem to think Alaska Mapper was tucked under the other arm as Moses came down the mountain.
It's the States BEST GUESS. Especially with older non-traditional claims.



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geowizard
19:16:21 Mon
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Dick,

You're getting off topic.:confused:

The problem is two-fold. Alaska is a remote part of the universe. People become lost and disoriented! That's the excuse they use!

"Well, Geowizard, sorry, but, I was lost. The nearest recognizable reference point is 10 miles away...

"Well, I paced off the 10 miles." they say!:welcome:

Hello!!??

GPS has been around a while. It has accuracy to 3 meters with WAAS around Anchorage and outside Anchorage with no WAAS, the accuracy of a hand-held is 7 meters depending on quality of receiver and GPS constellation related inaccuracy.

Google Earth is accurate to the "pixel".

I included a partial overlay of the USGS Topo for section reference lines.

Also, The BLM sent out US registered surveyors to Ophir this past summer to monument a 40 township area to the north. Yep, they used precision GPS.

I used to travel world-wide teaching precision GPS to ag pilots. In Columbia, the DOS has contracted pilots to spray certain leafy material in the Jungle.

Remote?

Yes, and the spraying was done over the jungle at low level, at night!

Back to the question;

Yes mapper is accurate to the "pixel".

Why?

Because they NOW use google earth for the visible map base layer. It's HIGH Resolution Too. Takes it to the tree in question.

Better than Moses or anything else!

- Geowizard
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JOE_S_INDY
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The ultimate determination of claim boundaries are the corner stakes, put in place at the very start of the mining claim process. Of course "reasonably located" comes into play here, too, and disputes do sometimes arise.

Not GPS coordinates, not someone else's corner stakes, not Mapper, not the DNR not any other marking or system.

If your (or your neighbor's) corner stakes are not where you think they "should" be, then a civil court is the place to present your evidence to get a legal determination.



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chickenminer
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You beat me to it Joe :smile: ...

Lots of words just to not answer my question Wiz. Not very nice to accuse someone of mining on YOUR claim unless you are very, very sure.



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geowizard
20:21:48 Mon
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I thought it was clear...

These are all MTRSC claims based on section corners. Trees and rocks can be moved. I have even heard of moving mountains.

Section corners are different...

Section corners are surveyed monuments. They can be resurveyed and rechecked. They become THE survey reference point.

Yep, old, traditional claims were tied to a willow on the creek bank that disappeared and the new willow reference popped up to accomodate the moving mining claim. Sure is handy to have a monument that moves so your claim can wander around! :devil:

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JOE_S_INDY
21:39:02 Mon
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GW,

You need to go find a reference for your opinion. Something besides just what you think would seem appropriate.

Mine is from the entire staff at the DNR in Fairbanks. I asked the specific question "Which takes precedence, posted claim corner markers, survey markers (visible or obscured) GPS co-ordinates or some other marking?" The definitive answer was "Original, best effort, corner markers on any claim ALWAYS take precedence over any other description."

Now, if you THINK someone is mining on your claim - go find real evidence and take them to court.

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Dick,

Right on the mark there - lots of words with no substance.



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Oregonguy
21:39:16 Mon
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If only! All my dreams would come true!

That's what I am gearing up for and working toward.
Just want to get up there and meet people though. as it seems my written words get misinterpreted (i'm really not that bad! haha)

I figure this years trip is going to be learning the area..making connections with folks (hopefully) and sampling a claim I can invest in and buy for the 2014 season.

Good luck! hope you sell some of these off!

  
chickenminer
22:40:17 Mon
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Wiz...
What year was that Google Earth imagery from?
You know what I'm getting at.



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geowizard
22:57:18 Mon
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Welcome to the 21st century!:welcome:

"Best effort" in the world today is GPS. I can't move somebody's paperwork from the northeast quarter to the southwest quarter and they can't either. The old days of moving your claim along with your mining program are long gone.

The BLM is suryeying in and placing section corners for a reason. The reason is to provide a permanent monument of where the section corners are. It's part of the process of conveying land to the State of Alaska. The land is surveyed for conveyance. Future surveys and placement of mining claims or cabin sites, etc. can then follow the land survey.

Dick,

I just noticed your post. Answer: 2013.

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JOE_S_INDY
23:06:59 Mon
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And until the system is changed the corner markers are still the official points.

Talking and maneuvering to try to make your point seem plausible is still not holding any water here.

Lets see now - I remember mentioning " You need to go find a reference for your opinion." You still need to do that and stop just trying to rationalize your position (again).



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chickenminer
23:33:44 Mon
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Quote: geowizard at 22:57:18 Mon Mar 18 2013

Dick,

I just noticed your post. Answer: 2013.

- Geowizard


Come on Wiz..
I ain't a college graduate but I got half a brain. Your Google Earth imagery isn't from 2013. I guarantee that!
Think about what you just said.
Not every place is AZ .



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geowizard
00:32:58 Tue
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Joe,

You are confused. :confused:

I agree that the monuments on the ground prevail.

I use Terry Maley "Handbook of Mineral Law" for reference.

"A locator is expected to have a practical understanding of surveying."

The locators monuments must be able to be located and traced on the ground.

I was involved in a case where another mining claim was moved to conflict with a mining claim that I had. In consulting an attorney on the matter, the attorney said that mining claims may be moved. The reason for taking an issue before a court and having it resolved by a judgement is to get a judges opine on how much error is acceptable. I was told by the attorney that mining claims can be moved as much as one mile.

So, because it is acceptable to move a mining claim, some folks. TAKE ADVANTAGE of the fact that "the stakes in the ground" prevail.

It becomes a way of BULLYING the neighbors!:gonetoofar:

So, play it stupid and act ignorant about practical surveying. It fits the LIBERAL mantra - "OH WHATEVER", I'm blonde and stupid, so I can move my claim a mile in each direction!

Cool!

- Geowizard


  
geowizard
00:40:15 Tue
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Dick,

Google Earth images of the earth are continually updated from land imaging satellites. Several sources for images are used. The Department of State is working with the State of Alaska SDMI to provide current high resolution images. Alaska SDMI has more information.

Added link: http://www.alaskamapped.org/

- Geowizard
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JOE_S_INDY
01:34:22 Tue
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No, no Geo,

LOOK AT THE IMAGE and see EXACTLY when the picture was taken. It's on the bottom on the left and it isn't rocket science.

Don't try to blur the fact that some pictures used for Alaska are very old, even black & white ones. Low population areas get the poorest updates while cities get frequent updates.

Press releases and political posturing just don't make old pictures new..




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Steve_Herschbach
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MTRSC Mining Claim Locations

http://dnr.alaska.gov/mlw/factsht/mine_fs/mtrsc.pdf

"Although located by legal description, MTRSC locations still require posting of the claim corners on the ground, which ultimately control the actual claim location and mineral rights acquired."



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chickenminer
01:37:16 Tue
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Chuck...
My point is Goo Earth is NOT real time images. That image could not be 2013 because this is Alaska. Ophir probably has at least 3' of snow on the ground since January 2013.
You can usually see when you use Goo Earth at the bottom it will tell what year the imagery is from. Most of remote Alaska is at least 5 yrs old imagery.

So again, do you know the date of your google earth imagery?
You might be showing us an image that is 5 yrs old.

Now ... when did you stake those claims?



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geowizard
02:40:40 Tue
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Steve,

Yes, I have read and understand the rules for staking claims. That's not the point. :confused:

Joe has a problem.

He seems to think that it's ok for someone else to have a claim that's located as a MTRSC claim but moved to a different location and therefore someone could mine on someone elses claim.

I understand that the monuments are the controlling factor in mining claims. I have not seen any adjoining claim markers.

Dick, Nobody said the images are "real time". Get over it! When I rechecked, it said August 2011. So what? :confused:

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I was not commenting - just posting some relevant information.



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JOE_S_INDY
03:20:06 Tue
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Geo, you are 100% wrong. I posted (and it's still there to see)

" I asked the specific question "Which takes precedence, posted claim corner markers, survey markers (visible or obscured) GPS co-ordinates or some other marking?" The definitive answer was "Original, best effort, corner markers on any claim ALWAYS take precedence over any other description." ".

I have never said it is OK to move existing corner markers. You're delusional on that.

Having cleared up that major point I feel it's time to back out of here - you don't seem to grasp what others are writing - and using things like lawyers' opinions as fact is just over the top.



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chickenminer
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Quote: geowizard at 02:40:40 Tue Mar 19 2013

Dick, Nobody said the images are "real time". Get over it! When I rechecked, it said August 2011. So what? :confused:
- Geowizard


So what?
Again ... when did you stake your claims? If the Google Earth image is 2011 than the disturbance is BEFORE that. How long before?
If you staked your claim in 2012. Then someone wasn't mining on YOUR claim.



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geowizard
18:44:30 Tue
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Dick,

Ok, I can see your point!

You are correct! That working goes back a long ways i.e. to the 1970's and before.

The neighbors claim predates my claim.

I have a signed, notarized Affidavit of Annual Labor for the neighbors claim that outlines the 2012 work done, the equipment used (dozer) and I would add all without an APMA. :confused:

- Geowizard

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oregonguy1
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i had to reregister my name? said my user name didnt exist...
would of liked to hear more about the TOPIC..but now Im confused..are the claim ownerships being disputed here or what?

  
geowizard
22:50:05 Tue
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One of the issues in owning mining claims is the proper survey of the monuments. The location of the corner posts define the boundaries of the mining claim.

So, I made the comment that my neighbor was mining on my mining claim and I got "jumped on" by a few members that want to put a stick in the eye of Geowizard.

The comment I made was challenged on the basis of whether the neighbor actually had an overlapping, pre-existing right based on his monuments being in a position that gives him a legal right to mine where he IS.

- Geowizard

  
oregonguy1
23:20:48 Tue
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Oh...gotcha.

So back to the topic..are all of these areas the fly in only type that you've been talking about lately?

Or can a decent 4x4 make it in to any of them.?

I pm'd you this question, but had screen name issues and cant log in.

I think it was the Yankee one that looked like it was closer to a road on google maps?

aaron

  
geowizard
23:31:47 Tue
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aaron,

Ophir is located about 30 miles NW of McGrath. McGrath and Ophir aren't connected to the road system.

Peninsula Air has daily commuter flights to McGrath. A charter flight can be arranged from McGrath to Ophir. The round trip cost is about $1000. from Anchorage.

That's why folks like Ken P. found a 32 ounce nugget at Moore Creek and 1600 ounces of nuggets were recovered at Ganes Creek in recent years.

Elephant hunts cost more than jack rabbit hunts! :smile:

Toivo Rosander is a legend at Yankee Creek. He is reputed to have had a 4200 ounce clean up.

- Geowizard
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oregonguy1
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i guess so considering you said theres that, plus 4k in food. or w/e you shipped in..plus the cost to get gear there..I'd want at least a tusk , dont need the whole elephant. im not greedy:smile:

I bet its an incredible experience!


4200 oz clean up! OMG i think I'd have a heart attack! haha
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Elephant hunts cost more than jack rabbit hunts!

:smile::smile::smile:

Too good Wiz,

  

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