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bababooey
14:04:22 Mon
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Worth to spend 2 or 3 weeks there in spring to prospect,

or/and stake a claim.
old reports say/indicate 12x12 square foot or 3.66m² oz2,63-3-94

Ruby creek Record CY026

Ruby Creek is a northeast-flowing tributary of Fourth of July Creek CY015. (Also a must to investigate thoroughly)
The bedrock of Ruby Creek is composed of Cretaceous to Tertiary conglomerate and other sedimentary rocks. The placer gold is found in the 20 inches of gravel above bedrock; bedrock was 12 to 15 feet from the surface in 1912.
The creek was first mined in the early 1900s. Mining was by open-cut methods because the bedrock was less than 15 feet below the surface. Values of $50 to $75 per 12-foot by 12-foot sluice box were reported in the early 1900s (1901-1910 oz price a little under $19). Mining operations were frequently constrained by a lack of water. In 1926, production was 5 ounces of gold and one ounce of silver.

The creek was first mined in the early 1900s, but more mining activity occurred in 1911. Mining was by open-cut methods because the bedrock was less than 15 feet below the surface. Mining operations were frequently constrained by a lack of water.
Indication of production Yes; small ?? could find anything about it, and also as for fourth o july creek.


the little pink dot shows the fourth of july trail (green)


fourth o july and ruby creek


goog earth pic


area claims


so, and now, as craig ferguson(The Late Late Show) would say you Bastards(ironic), search for reasons this area is crap. Dont you dare search for solutions.

We dont mine in Alaska, we mine in yukon. We just leased 2400 acre ground oz0.1 per y³.

  
bababooey
14:06:45 Mon
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Re: Worth to spend 2 or 3 weeks there in spring to prospect,

the little pink dot shows the fourth of july trail (green)


  
bababooey
14:13:34 Mon
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Re: Worth to spend 2 or 3 weeks there in spring to prospect,

the water problem may could be solved by a big flod pool ------> pump -----washplant -----< second pool ------gravel/sand damm light porous(filter) ------big flood pool. Circle of water supply.
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geowizard
15:26:18 Mon
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Re: Worth to spend 2 or 3 weeks there in spring to prospect,

bababooey,

The land belongs to Doyon, Limited.

Contact them before you make plans. They have two minerals managers. One for placer and the other for hard rock. The only one I could reach was the Hard rock manager. The Placer manager never replied to email or voice messages.

In 2009, I had the coincidence of being seated on an Alaska Airlines flight next to the President of the Bering Straits Native Corporation. After introducing ourselves, and discussing many of the social issues related to native life around Nome, I moved the conversation to the question of small miner permitting on native held lands.

He was very straight forward in explaining the position of BSNC. Note: BSNC and Doyon are two different Native Corporations. I believe their philosophy is the same.

The position of BSNC was that small miners are not considered a viable mining entity. Small miners don't bring the required financial assets. That is to say; small miners don't represent a significant financial resource that can invest into a mining campaign on a level that would be of interest to a Native corporation.

From looking at the scale of mining campaigns in present operation within lands owned by Native Corporations in Alaska today, the theme becomes apparent. The theme, generally, is that the mining corporations are continually having to make concessions. Rather than getting into specifics that might be sensitive to certain groups, I would suggest reading about the Full Metals Minerals lease in the Aleutians for openers. Also read about past experiences of mining companies that had leases around Aniak. I will provide a link to one case in particular that a lease was renegotiated (unilaterally by the Native Corporation) that caused a loss of millions of dollars after exploration was well under way. The Native corporations usually reserve the "right to reneg".

- Geowizard

  
geowizard
16:42:31 Mon
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Re: Worth to spend 2 or 3 weeks there in spring to prospect,

An example:

http://calistacorp.com/sites/default/files/documents/lands/reports/2005_Tonogold_Nyac_Report.pdf

Further references to follow...

Ref: Pg. 11, 12...

http://www.tonogold.com/i/pdf/FS-Dec-31-2009-and-2008.pdf

The point here is to show by example the level of investment involved and one possible outcome.

- Geowizard
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geowizard
17:37:33 Mon
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I would encourage anyone that is interested in mining or exploration in Alaska, view the Alaska Miners Association "White Papers".

One paper that would be of interest is:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2335359/AMA%20White%20Papers/Alaska%20Native%20Corporations%20-%20A%20Summary%20Description.pdf

- Geowizard


  
bababooey
18:35:31 Mon
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some "users" here are sooo funny

they tell everybody the truth and nothyng but the truth, they spend days or even month to investigate for the board better, they tell us what we can/should do or belive, BUT

isnt alaska a nice place, there are even 2, in words TWO, fourth of july creeks. lol
One that I submitted, the right one.
And theres a second fourth of july creek. The wrong one. But even this one is not doyan land, only a small portion at the mouth of the creek. Ahhhhh, and this f o j creek is near seward.

search for problems!!!
wrong creek


wrong creek


wrong creek


and now


Solving problems
THE RIGHT FOURTH OF JULY CREEK



Thats all he wrote :smile:

  
geowizard
18:37:35 Mon
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With the gold rush to Nome, many recreational miners are going out into areas that are privately owned by Native Corporations. The Native corporations are patrolling areas frequented by recreational miners a citing them for trespassing.

Doyon has a webpage about trespassing on Doyon held lands at:

https://www.doyon.com/lands/trespass.aspx

For further information, the webpage provides contact information.

- Geowizard

  
bababooey
18:39:53 Mon
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Re: some "users" here are sooo funny

I bet, you only "prospect and mine" in your kids sandbox., Mr. Iknowall

  
bababooey
18:48:16 Mon
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I would pay $1000 to see your face right now





come on big boy,...lets hug

  
geowizard
19:00:01 Mon
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Re: I would pay $1000 to see your face right now

badbadboy,

That's what I get for saving your skin?

The Latitude and Longitude of your Creek is:

65.15 degrees N, 141.9 degrees W

The Township Range and section is approx.:
F004N029E section 29 (and surrounding area).

The entire township and surrounding area is privately owned by Doyon Limited.

- Geowizard

  
bababooey
19:09:22 Mon
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65.15 -141.9

not even close,....way down

dont let fool you, I loockd verry closly at the doyan´s map
only one comes near, but about 30mls away.

dont search for bad rasins, there are none, YOU are wrong!

  
bababooey
19:21:37 Mon
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you're riding a dead horse






  
bababooey
20:02:35 Mon
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Re: you're riding a dead horse

privat property, not near the foj creek, besids its a dam park, with tourists in the summer, just take a look.
I think I found some mining activitys on bull creek near yukon river, not 100% shure, NE of foj creek.
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geowizard
20:02:49 Mon
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Re: loco baloney


"Coal Creek" is at the upper left corner of the Charley River Preserve Map you provided above.

If you look at the coordinates I gave for Fourth of July Creek, 65.15 N, 141.9 W, is on the right side is where you placed the word "here" (in red) on the map.

- Geowizard

  
bababooey
20:18:59 Mon
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you are wrong,

dont search for problems, there are none whit this location.

Anything else to find?
No roads, no gold, whasplant to small, to many bears, oh its raining, to many trees, no big boulders, your water just broke, clay, no driving licence, and so on, and so on.
you will find some, I am shure.

But, the foj and ruby creek posting is for the users in this board. Why we let them decide if theres a or to many problems, that are not solvable.
I was raised in the meaning there are no problems, only solutions.

eod

  
geowizard
21:05:51 Mon
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Re: you are wrong,


The National Park Service controls the surface.

Here's a link to the regulations related to mining claims:

http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retrieveECFR?gp=&SID=39b90f5e029226e9749925588e254dc1&n=36y1.0.1.1.9.1&r=SUBPART&ty=HTML#36:1.0.1.1.9.1.1.3

From the Land Status records at DNR, Doyon, Ltd. owns the mineral Estate.

Anyone else can jump right in.

- Geowizard

  
geowizard
21:27:37 Mon
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Re: e-CFR Part 13

Part 13 regulates activities within the National Park System Units in Alaska.

http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=93557d2658d5e4d2c8f18903161e83de&node=36:1.0.1.1.13.2.23.5&rgn=div8

Subpart B General Provisions

13.35 (e) (2)

Shovels, sluices, dredges are prohibited.

Not a problem? :confused:

- Geowizard
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bababooey
22:13:23 Mon
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how stupid are you?

CANT YOU READ?

Title 36: Parks, Forests, and Public Property
PART 9—MINERALS MANAGEMENT
Subpart A—Mining and Mining Claims
Contents
§9.1 Purpose and scope.
§9.2 Definitions.
§9.3 Access permits.
§9.4 Surface disturbance moratorium.
§9.5 Recordation.
§9.6 Transfers of interest.
§9.7 Assessment work.
§9.8 Use of water.
§9.9 Plan of operations.
§9.10 Plan of operations approval.
§9.11 Reclamation requirements.
§9.12 Supplementation or revision of plan of operations.
§9.13 Performance bond.
§9.14 Appeals.
§9.15 Use of roads by commercial vehicles.
§9.16 Penalties.
§9.17 Public inspection of documents.
§9.18 Surface use and patent restrictions.

Your text is for visitors of the park and not for a mining operation!!!!

why are there state mining claims near foj creek? Just for fun? Just to say, you can lease, but not mine?

with all due respect, you are a dumb ignorant bossy xxxxhole

  
geowizard
00:06:00 Tue
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Re: two or three weeks in the spring to do what?


  
chickenminer
01:23:33 Tue
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Re: two or three weeks in the spring to do what?

Well hasn't this been a fun thread :smile:

I had a dear old friend that spent three years around Nation, mining on 4th of July creek and tributaries. That was back in the 1930's.
Times have changed.

4th of July is now in the Yukon Charley preserve. You can't stake a new mining claim there. IF there are any claims on the creek they will be old federal claims, prior to the Preserve.

bababooey .... give it a rest, your time is better spent in a different area.



---
Dick Hammond - Chicken, Alaska
Chicken / Stonehouse Creek Mining
Chickenminer.com
 
 
overtheedge
19:52:30 Tue
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Quote: bababooey

We dont mine in Alaska, we mine in yukon. We just leased 2400 acre ground oz0.1 per y³.


Really? 10 yard gravel would keep me too busy to waste time looking at non-locatable ground in Alaska and arguing over land status.

Re: two or three weeks in the spring to do what?

Someone might wanna clue him in on spring-time temperatures and placer mining activities during that time. And then there is the 4oJ trail.

I'm finding this thread to be quite humorous.

eric

  
hoppingforpay
00:11:52 Thu
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Go for it bababooey! The park service is really bored after a long winter. Wear white and paint your sno-go white to hide from the helicopters! Oh, and brush your trail so they can't follow your trail...


  
geowizard
01:01:20 Thu
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Re: two or three weeks in the spring to do what?

hoppingforpay,

First, please accept my condolences on the recent passing of your father.

With reference to new prospecting ventures, we, the initiated know all too well that the first step in the process is to do the property check. I agree that there may be academic value in studying old maps and going out in the field to follow-up on those early strikes. The cost in most cases far outweighs any possible economic reward.

The cost in most cases far outweighs any possible academic reward too. In fact, most prospecting we do has a certain historic value as we poke around old diggings and learn little tid-bits about what the old timers did and how they went about their mining.

With reference to mining on National Parks, it's completely off the radar. If a person cannot "visit" with a shovel in hand, how could any rational human being spend almost endless resources justifying a plan of operations on National Park domain? It might be possible to do some panning. That panning must be done without digging into the alluvium. So, there is no practical process of sampling that could generate sufficient data that would be convincing enough that a Plan of Operations could be submitted. The Plan of Operations must demonstrate to the officials that grant the approval that sufficient mineralization of economic value is present and can be mined without disturbance that would degrade the qualities of the park that other visitors enjoy. and... that all of the other requirements are met. It's a long list that would add substantial cost to mining.

In short, it's just plain nuts!

You are correct, I avoided going there! The Park Mounties will have badboey on the ground, standing with one boot on his neck while they go through all of formalities of reading his rights and referencing the various park regulations he is being cited for.

That's not a problem? :confused:

- Geowizard

  

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