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Coeur_D_Alene
21:55:07 Thu
May 15 2014

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So The "Others" who go against (mining in the form of river&stream dredging) are against us dredgers because of the tailing plume which have natural sediments. If that is the one and only real issue with dredging....Well what if your operation separated the material up the hose into washed gravels and cobbles going back into the stream, the sand and silt discharged normally in the tailing plume...say it was directed into a hose with a venturi and sent the silted plume out of the creek into a settling area along side the stream. Later that impounded silt and sand on the bank could be planted with near by willow or other native bankside plants and I'm sure you would have lots of volunteers looking for a fresh advantage for life, say pinecones etc. I think small "silt dams" made from available materials and some doubled burlap (which will biodegrade into basically mulch) wouldn't that solve the problem with the issue??

Yes it would cost to have the silted plume removed from the stream in a low lying area due to the need for more materials (hoses, gas, another pump and venturi, etc I have a more fortunate situation where I could move all my tails out of the stream by gravity and also leave just the cobbles and gravels while doing so, all the water would seep through the ground and into the stream leaving my silt and sand in old streamside channels as well as on the backside of island like benches. And even if I had to get bigger pump to lift dredged material to a highly elevated crash box/Highbanker type set up. I could separate all my materials with individual rock screeners like the top box on a banker, each time the slurry went through a size catch the slurry would be sent to the next. I see only silty water in the small containment pond seeping back to the stream through the ground. the different sizes of cleaned graded cobbles could be spread back into your dredging area leaving a nice area possibly used for spawning redd's.

If this was visualized in a P.O.O...I wonder if it could help a fella dredge, land dredge or siphon/gravity dredge without so much fuss from the Gov't , state, blm, usfs, epa, and water quality dictators? Thanks for reading this comment are welcome. "V"

  
Jim_Alaska
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First, the tailing plume is not the "only" issue. Actually it is the easiest to deal with since they cannot define it as pollution.

The other issues are; mercury disturbance, sucking up fish eggs, lamprey, crawdads, mussels and other natural fish food, noise, blocking the river for other river users, creating unnatural piles of gravel that fish spawn in; they get washed away in high water.

The list goes on and on, but suffice to say that these reasons are all bogus and have been dealt with and refuted in almost every comment meeting from Alaska to Southern Caif.

If you try to put the sediment up on the bank you will really be in trouble. One of fish and game's main restrictions is that wet things are to stay wet and dry things stay dry. In other words, don't put earthen material in the active waterway and don't take submerged material out and put it on the bank.

The whole point of the problems we face as miners is simple, environmentalists, tribes and many other natural resource users don't like mining and want it done away with.

You also mentioned a P.O.O. I just want to say that a suction dredge miner should NEVER file a P.O.O or an NOI. Suction dredge mining can never rise to the level of a P.O.O. being asked for by authorities.

An NOI, which triggers a P.O.O. is only applicaable when using mechanized equipment like dozers and backhoes and/or cutting trees. This is case law and already settled. Suction dredgers don't do either.

Let's not keep shooting ourselves in the foot by claiming we need either an NOI or P.O.O. when the law and court cases have clearly stated other wise. We have enough trouble with agencies claiming this, it makes no sense for miners to do the same thing and help agencies keep up their unawful demands.



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Bonaro
01:07:00 Tue
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I have a hydraulic permit issued by a Washington Dept Of Fish and Wildlife biologist that requires me to discharge my sediments onto the bank and not back into the water...



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