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If You Ignore Your Rights, They WILL Go Away ( 02:45:58 FriAug 18 2017 )

A wise man once said that if you ignore your rights, they WILL go away. But even he could not foresee the multitude of federal agencies entirely devoted to stripping rights from American citizens. Such as the Forest Service and BLM.....

Only by educating the public and ourselves will the wolves(USFS, BLM) be kept at the door.

It is impossible for one person to know everything about every subject. This blog welcomes outside expertise and opinions.

They are just that, and should always be read with grains of salt. Hopefully, they will inspire you to research and think for yourself, and offer new ideas for combating lawless entities like the Forest Service and BLM.

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http://usfspayettenationalforest.blogspot.com/2017/07/if-you-ignore-your-rights-they-will-go.html?m=0

  
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Re: If You Ignore Your Rights, They WILL Go Away ( 20:23:46 FriAug 18 2017 )


I prefer to defer my reply to Jim with reference to Government over-reach to this thread.

The effort to push back against the changing control of property rights, promises made and promises taken away in my opinion is noble but will take another civil war to reconcile. The battle will be West against the East rather than the South against the North.

The unlawful taking of "property" or the right to exercise authority to use land under a "Grant" could be worthy of going to battle over. Mere discussion can lead to battle.

Your rights ARE going away. Many of our rights have gone away. In fact, there are enforcers that enforce rules on PC and several other extremist views that freedom of speech should guarantee. People, citizens of our free democracy become subject to ridicule in social media, and in some cases acts of violence are perpetrated against them. So it is with social order in this country. Before long, public meetings of miners, will be met with opposing forces. Eventually, opposing forces may be armed with baseball bats.

Unfortunately, mining and those that support mining have been stigmatized with a LABEL.

Labels identify who we are and what we stand for. The opposition has used and will continue to use every possible method of propaganda, bad news and any related negative fact or fiction against mining. The movement to take property AWAY from mining began IMMEDIATELY after the GRANT.

The Payette National Forest.

It was first, A RESERVE. Then TWO RESERVES. Then a National Forest (1905). Then, TWO or more Wilderness areas were wrapped around it. Do some fact checking if you want to.

TAKING and re-designation of the lands under Federal control includes special use areas that become military installations. During World War II, airfields popped up everywhere! There are still well established tracks of ground in Arizona that are exclusively used for Bombing practice.

It's not just limited to the ground either. AIRSPACE is being TAKEN AWAY. Military Operations Areas (MOA's) cover much of Arizona and other Western States.

In order to pacify certain groups, MASSIVE amounts of land have been deeded to (special) groups. I won't go there in order to keep the peace. I should be able to speak to ALL issues. But, freedom of speech has limits.

- Geowizard

  
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Re: If You Ignore Your Rights, They WILL Go Away ( 15:10:37 SatAug 19 2017 )


Today, there is a planned "Freedom of Speech" rally in Boston.

While we ARE concerned about mining and property rights, our First Amendment Right to Freedom of Speech has to be asserted!

The opposition WOULD use force where-ever and how-ever to TAKE AWAY our right to "Speak". That's the purpose for their "counter" rally.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it?

It doesn't get much more SERIOUS, in my mind than to have to ASSERT a RIGHT as FUNAMENTAL as FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

What will all of this come to?

We shall see!

- Geowizard

  
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Re: If You Ignore Your Rights, They WILL Go Away ( 15:40:55 SatAug 19 2017 )

The Fortuna mine;

It's a small example. The Fortuna mine is a Gold mine in Arizona that was TAKEN and the surrounding hundreds of square miles are used as a Bombing Range.

http://www.in-the-desert.com/fortunamine.html

Western States have Thousands of Square Miles of worthless land where NOBODY lives that's just there for the TAKING.

Alaska is SO BIG that the BLM could not initially manage the land AND there was the issue of SETTLEMENT with the NATIVES. So, meetings were held. Decisions were made to convey and PATENT LAND to the STATE of ALASKA.

AND...

TO SETTLE the division of LANNDS TAKEN from the NATIVE population by Dividing the LAND into PATENTS controlled by NATIVE CORPORATIONS.

Furthermore; The NATIVE lands were separated into Surface and Mineral Domains. So, TWO NATIVE Corporations control the DOMAIN. One Corporation controls Surface access and Another Corporation controls Minerals!

The Process of Selection of ANICLA Top Filing over designated "SELECT" lands continues to this date.

I am NOT taking a position one way or the other. We the people can whine, demonstrate in the park, bitch if you want to.

We need a military. We need places for the military to practice dropping bombs and blowing things up. We have an obligation to satisfy treaties with indigenous people.

- Geowizard

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Re: If You Ignore Your Rights, They WILL Go Away ( 00:08:30 SunAug 20 2017 )

Freedom of Speech Rally;

Doesn't have anything to do with mining rights but the Rally is over. The central focus that was reported had nothing to do with "Freedom of Speech" - only focused on the PROTESTERS.

Working AGAINST the liberal forces that are fully funded with Millions and possibly Billions of dollars, employing a world-wide 24 hour a day, seven day a week international army of over-zealous enviro-extremists represents in my opinion an unrealistic battle. Their "Drums" are bigger, the audience is larger and their audience is growing with every new crop of eager to join the movement kiddos. The last generation of environmentally schooled kiddos are training the new generation. The culture has become an embedded belief system.

William F. Buckley, Junior was a well known and respected Author that aired a series of programs on the conflict of one set of rights versus the other's set of rights;

"Your rights END where my rights BEGIN."

Where DO our RIGHTS come from? Who GRANTED them and by what AUTHORITY and IS a given RIGHT really FOREVER?

Social NORMS change with TIME. PEOPLE change as the CULTURE around them changes. LEGISLATION is enacted by PEOPLE and the LEGISLATION may be the subject of debate. PUBLIC POLICY is always subject to change as the demands of our SOCIETY and our CULTURE dictate.

Discussion on the topic is important.

I respect those that stand up for their rights.

- Geowizard
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