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Mineral_Estate_Grantee
23:29:12 Wed
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Good thing we were not dredging…Synopsis.

While down in the Rogue River, at ENNIS RIFFLE this last Sunday (09/13), a couple of us MEGs with a Mineral Exploration Machine had our first encounter with a couple Sheriff/BLM? Deputies with an apparent intent to get us to admit we were committing a crime of “dredging” in the wild and scenic “corridor”.

We informed them we were not dredging and in fact it was them committing a crime by interfering with our mineral exploration work. When asked to show their authority and jurisdiction expressed in the Grant (a copy of which we carry and handed them), neither produced any. It took a bit of educating them to the fact they were mischaracterizing our work tools and what we were in fact doing was what is authorized under the Grant of 1866. Hal, after repeated attempts of one of the Deputies to get us to admit to his assertions of dredging, told the deputy if his report or any subsequent citation issued were to indicate any different then what we explained to them we were actually doing (asserting our Rights under the Grant to the locatable minerals) would be a fraud.

We went back to work and they left. A “Victory” for us in standing up for our Rights and Entitlements??? We’ll see.

1866 Grant of Locatable Minerals to all citizens of the United States, and those who have declared their intention to become citizens. See www.GrantedRight.com the Law page.

Oh, by the way, we got our first real sizable piece of gold; 7/16 long by 16teenth through…and a few smaller pieces as well.

MEG…Hal’s defacto publicist

  
kurt_Blumberg
05:11:52 Thu
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Way to go! Gutsy stand you took. Hope all works out well for you boys.

  
Brian_Berkhahn
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Congradulations! Way to stand up for your rights!

Brian

  
Heavens_Pavement
03:53:40 Sat
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Sounds like a "victory".:smile:
Curious, what mineral exploration tools where you using??

  
Mineral_Estate_Grantee
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Upon a very similar question from the deputy, "If it is not a dredge then how does it operate?, The answer to him was, "That is proprietary information, a trade secret, to aid me while I'm mining my own business." And before that he had asked to see the machine and he was asked for the court order or warrant he had that required us to bring it to shore to show him.

In essence, it could be any mechanized tool engaged incidental to mining in acceptance of the Grant of 1866 (H.R. 365)(http://www.grantedright.com/The_Law.html); In this instance, the deputies mischaracterization of our in water tool as a dredge. And beings we MEGs were the only ones vested with the Authority and Jurisdiction over our Mineral Property, Law Enforcement does not have authority or jurisdiction to make any determination over how and what, or the method we choose to develop a mineral deposit.


  
Heavens_Pavement
07:22:53 Mon
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So your trade secret device consisted of an engine, hose, and top secret concentating device? :smile:
From your further comment I see we have the short version of your encounter.
Would love for you to write the full version( he/they said).
On another post you commented on others making progress(recounts of encounters like this one)
are ther links or care to share?
Very interesting :smile:
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just reread your post your machines "proper name" was a M.E.M
Mineral Exploration Machine.:smile:
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abishiai
22:21:20 Mon
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Forgive the naive question, but has dredging for gold become illegal?

TNX

  
RUSTY_HAPPY_CAM
23:47:17 Mon
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It has in California as of Aug. this year when the state passed SB670 banning all dredging in the state.

  
Jim_Alaska
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Sorry for the delay, Jim did it!!!




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Mineral_Estate_Grantee
17:38:18 Tue
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The picture Jim posted for me is of the gold Hal and I discoverd this last September working about a 14 hour time period in Ennis Riffle and Galice area. All this was found out of six or so test holes in knee to chest deep water. The top left on the picture was found in about an hour in two of the Many bedrock cracks running through the river in these areas. (The crack was about 6" wide at the top tapering down to just a crack at a depth of about a foot and was worked about four to six feet in length)

A friend of ours spent 4 or so hours with a friend of his working the Ennis Riffle area with us just a few feet away had their own discovery that certainly put a smile on all our faces.

MEG...Hal's defacto publicist

Thank You Jim for posting this picture for me.

P.S. Makes one wonder why BLM is telling people this area is removed from mineral entry???
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tenderfootminer
18:25:48 Tue
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If I was on a Jury this would sure sound like a confesion!Sorry meg no offense ment but wouldn't time be better spent trying to change things back or keep the little rights we do have rather than encouraging folks to "break the law" or lie to public officials?right or wrong it is against the law to dredge and thus dredging is illeagle SIMPLE:confused:

  
cheeser
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I agree with tenderfootminer. The last thing we should do is encourage people to break the law. It'll just come back to bite us. Especially when it's based upon someone's fantasy interpretation of the law. I also agree that MEG's own statements are more than enough for a jury to convict. Mostly because the average person doesn't cater to ignorance.

But, to be honest, I don't believe a word of the story anyway.
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john_adams
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No Worry guys. I f this Hapend then there would be pictures. I have mined this area for a while(years).
On said day I was just down river and up a side creek with many people coming and going for 3 days. Never hapend .Also that gold has no resemlence to Rogue River gold. None at all
John Adams

  
Zooka
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I'll re-post my response on another forum here:
Be very careful with this line of attack. There are three possibilities here.
Possibility Number One, MEG ran into county sheriff deputies. They have NO authority to enforce Federal Wild and Scenic River regulations, they are state employees, and so could do nothing. If MEG had admitted he was dredging they might have had some state law jurisdiction with regard to state dredging laws; but if they were local deputies they were probably pretty uneducated on even that authority.
Possibility Two: They might have been BLM employees but with no law enforcement authority, that is, like the dispatcher or secretary employed by the sheriff's office, or a biologist or a truck driver working for the Forest Service: they are employees but have no law enforcement authority.
Three: They were BLM law enforcement- enabled employees but were not familiar with the law enough to address the left field legal smokescreen stuff MEG threw at them, so rather than risk a false arrest charge, they withdrew, for a consultation with higher authority.
I will guarantee that calling your gold recovery device by a different name than "dredge" when there are regs out there covering eductor suction devices will not cut any slack with most judges. That is what they call in the Army "guardhouse lawyering": because that is where you wind up when you come up with a clever new quasi-legal argument to avoid punishment for breaking the rules.

-Z
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