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Steve_Herschbach
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November 2006 Update

Hi,

I've updated the list for November 2006. I deleted the Fisher Gold Strike, which was discontinued this year due to poor sales. I revised the Minelab portion to include the new GPX-4000.

So what is there out there for 2007? Well, Minelab just answered that with the GPX-4000. It is likely to be the most talked about machine in 2007. VLF detectors seem to be stalling out. Garrett has not revised the Gold Stinger in ages. The Tesoro Lobo, although a great unit, is getting long in the tooth. The Minelab Eureka Gold is fairly new, so I expect no changes this year. White's usually updates units fairly regularly, so I'm hoping for something in 2007, but this is only a gut feeling. I've heard nothing. That leaves Fisher of the major players as the only manufacturer promising a new unit for 2007. It is more aimed at the top end coin and relic hunters, though.
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For those interested, there is an interview with Dave Johnson concerning the Teknetics T2 and other issues:
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The Nugget Detector Guide looks pretty cool!
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Hi,

September 2007 update. I added the White's DFX to the list because it has a dedicated prospecting mode and because people often ask about it compared to the MXT. I updated some of the coil count info. White's has released a 12" round concentric coil for the MXT/DFX/M6 models and Minelab has just released a 6" round concentric 7.5 kHz coil and 6" round DD 18.75 kHz coils for the X-Terra 70. Tesoro released several new coils for the Lobo including the very intriguing 3" x 18" DD Cleansweep coil.

Rumors abound about new Pulse Induction units under development but they refuse to materialize. Hopefully something develops before next summer but we are about done for the year here in Alaska.

Steve Herschbach
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Hi,

Small update for 2008. Biggest change is the increase in price for the Minelab detectors. The only new thing on the horizon for 2008 is a possible new ground balancing pulse induction detector from White's Electronics. The price of gold continues to rise and is pushing up interest in gold nugget detectors with it.

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Hi Steve. Got any opinions on the MineLab Soverign GT? I'm trying to win one on the Lost Treasure's site.

  
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Steve,

I am going to be purchasing a White's MXT.

My question is, I have heard that the coils are waterproof for the MXT, is that right?

I would like to detect for nugget/ relics/coins in shallow water, and I just wanted to be sure before I drown a non-waterproof coil!

I am also looking at the X-Terra 70, and have heard the same about the coils?

Would you think that having both the MXT, and the X-Terra 70, would be an advantage, or just pick one or the other?


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Hi,

Almost all detectors have waterproof coils. Minelab is one of the few exceptions. In general a Minelab coil that is solid should not be submerged. If the coil has holes in it (a "spider" coil) then you can submerge it. So the X-Terra stock coil may be submerged, but the 10" x 5" elliptical accessory coil should not be submerged.

For nugget detecting the MXT and X-Terra 70 are really close, and it will simply depend on what the ground mineralization is like as to which unit might have a tiny edge over the other. Keep in mind that you will need one of the 18.75 kHz accessory coils to kick the X-Terra 70 up to the better gold detecting frequency since it comes stock set at 7.5 kHz. The MXT comes out of the box at 14 kHz.

I can't see any advantage to having both. The X-Terra 70 does have more features like multiple tones and notch discrimination that coin hunters find appealing.

Steve Herschbach
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Thanks for the info Steve!


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Steve_Herschbach
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Hi tlcarrig,

The Minelab Sovereign GT is a great all around detector and like all great all around detectors can find a gold nugget if it is large enough, and shallow enough. It is not a nugget machine, however, and I've not heard of anyone using it as such.
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Hi,

Small update for march 2008 to make note of the White's MXT 300 and DFX 300.
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I saw this thread through the Treasurnet forum and wanted to ask a truly serious question regarding Gold Hunting in WET SALT WATER SAND.
I have been hunting for over 20 years and back 10 years ago, I lived in Spain and hunted a lot on the Salt Water Beaches of the Atlantic Coast and Meditaranian
coasts of Spain.
At that time I used the CZ5 and Tesoros for beach hunting, I generally used the CZ5 for the beach, and although I dug a lot of Gold Rings, after a year or so it became obviose that I was walking over small Gold such as chains and ear rings and bracelets and things. I am sure that I walked over many broken Gold rings as well.
After 2 years of using the CZ5 I got a Tesoro Stingray and started finding a lot smaller pieces of Gold, even a fine chain without a Medalian on it. (the only way I could get a Gold chain with the CZ5) I also go some small ear rings of gold. But the Stingray is an underwater machine with a weighted coil, and its heavy to carry for an all day beach trip, it also uses
headphones that can not be removed.

Considering that all that Gold I got there was 18k + or - the relative value of leaving a large rope chain on the beach because my CZ5 would not pick it up in salt water mode, made me very frustrated....

I want to find the BEST Gold detector for salt water beaches that I can find, so that I know I am not missing anything that those older machines just walked over...

(The CZ5 in Saltwater Mode would walk over Gold Rope Chains, regular Gold Chains, Gold Earings, small Gold Bracelets with a small plaque, and did not get much depth on Gold that it could see, not more than maybe 6 inches before reading it like Iron)

I have been considering some type of PI machine, but was told that PI detectors even though good with the Salt Water, are not very sensative to small Gold in Wet Salt Water Sand.
I also thought about the Lobo Super trac as it has a Salt water mode, but decided to ask someone with extensive experiance.

Can you tell me in your opinion, what is the BEST GOLD detector for WET SALT WATER SAND BEACHES Not made for land hunting as I currently do not nugget hunt, but use a Whites DFX to good use for coins and such on dry land...

Thanks in advance.
Richard
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Hi Richard,

As always with detectors, there is no one simple answer to your question. It depends on the composition of the beach itself. Clean white sand made of bits of shell and coral? Black sand beach? You get it.

Second problem. Salt water is conductive.

In most cases the beach material has a mineral component that needs to be eliminated. Only in very rare cases do you get pure beaches with no magnetic mineral component. In such locations I'm told that old TR type detectors actually work very well. But in most cases you need a machine that can ground balance or tune out the mineral effect.

You also need a unit that will not pick up the salt water itself. Single frequency units have a hard time tuning out both the ground and the salt water at the same time, and so in general multi-frequency detectors like the Fisher CZ series, the Minelab Sovereign, Excalibur/Explorer, and White's DFX have an edge for overall depth on saltwater beaches. Pulse Induction units do better yet, but have no discrimination and so have you digging more junk than their VLF cousins. But none of these units is noted for sensitivity to small items.

So you can go to single frequency detectors running in the middle 10 kHz to 20 kHz range, like the Tesoro Stingray or newer Tiger Shark, the White's MXT, etc. If you go to a unit of this type it is good to have a "salt" or "alkali" switch to tune out wet saltwater sand. These detectors will be hotter on small stuff, but will tend to not hit larger items as deep as the multi-frequency and PI units. The worse the beach mineralization gets, the more the single frequency unit will suffer for max depth compared to the multi-frequency or PI units.

Here is another catch. The smaller a gold item gets, the closer it gets to making the same type of response as the wet salt sand. A machine hot enough to pick up the tiniest stuff, like a Fisher Gold Bug 2 or White's GMT, will also sound off on the saltwater itself. Thin gold chains and most small gold earrings are not detectable in saltwater soaked sand for this very reason. So you want a unit as hot as you can get but that will not detect the saltwater sand itself.

The mid-frequency units usually do this well in the drier sand but the salt or alkali switch may need to be engaged in the lower wet sand area near the waters edge to eliminate the salt signal.

You could hip mount your Stingray and get an lighter coil for it since the coils are interchangeable. There is ever an adapter that Tesoro makes so you can use their land coils on the Stingray. If you'd still rather get another detector, look into units like the White's MXT or Tesoro Lobo that run in the mid frequency range and that have a "salt" switch. You could also use a unit like the Tesoro Vaquero that has no salt switch, but you may need to run the disc control up just enough to eliminate readings off the salt sand should you encounter them. The salt discs out in the very low end of the range, just like very tiny gold items.

Most of these mid-frequency units like the MXT and Lobo also double as nugget machines and even units like the vaquero not marketed as such can do well nugget hunting. But again, avoid hot units like the GMT or GB2 if you plan to hit wet salt sand. They are however great in dry sand or fresh water beach locations.
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Question:
I uderstand the x-50 was the hot thing before the x-70 and that the x-50 has the same basic cicurity as the 70 but the 70 can DO more and find smaller gold.

Can the x-50 still find reasonable sized nuggets and is the DEPTH the same as the x-70.

People keep trying to get me to spend more money and get the 70 and I keep resisting that if I can fulfil my needs with the x-50

Need some advice.
Thanks

I'm really more interested in the relic and coin capacity
and not the prospecting mode.

  
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Hi,

"Can the x-50 still find reasonable sized nuggets"

Yes. Any detector can find nuggets if they are big enough and shallow enough.

"and is the DEPTH the same as the x-70".

No. The X-Terra 50 does not have an all-metal prospecting mode. The X-Terra 70 clearly exhibits more depth while in that mode.

"'m really more interested in the relic and coin capacity
and not the prospecting mode".

Then get an X-Terra 50.
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Ok...no all metal in prospecting, but does it have an all metal mode in general. I would get better depth if I dug everything .
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Hi Robert,

There is no true all-metal mode on the X-Terra 50. It is a discrimination mode with all items set to accept. Not the same thing at all and not as powerful as the threshold based motion all metal prospecting mode on the X-Terra 70. Lots of confusion on that one.
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Hi,

Small update April 2008 to reflect the new Minelab GPX-4500. There is a new White's unit on the horizon and other units rumored this year. Should be a good year for detectors and those who use them!

Steve Herschbach
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Steve,
in your opinion, what would be a good detector for "tracing" the edge of a black sand deposit? Would it need to have a visual ID (like the Whites XLT) to determine when you are hitting the edge, or should I be able to hear it if it is a good deposit?

I have tried it with my Gold Bug2 without much success, but I am not a pro and have never had someone who is really good show me how to use it to it's best abilities.


  
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Hi,

Metal detectors are poor at best for racing black sands as the deposits have to be quite shallow, like in a dry wash. Forget deeper stuff.

The machine to use is the White's GMT, which of all the machines in my list has a unique "Mineral Amount" reading which combined with the Ground Balance Number tell you the type and amount of iron mineralization.

Ground balance numbers reflect the type of mineralization, not the amount. There is a lot of confusion on that and you will often see people quoting a high ground balance as meaning there is a lot of mineralization.

The GMT will also give an "Overload" signal in extreme mineralization if the Gain is set too high. Most detectors just go non-functional at that point but do not tell you about it. A cranked up Gain and the overload signal might also be used to trace extreme mineralization.
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Thank you Steve,

That's what I needed to know. I didn't figure there would be much chance of tracing the edge of a black sand deposit if it were at any depth, so you confirmed that, I was thinking for use in drywashes and on beaches where there was little overburden....

The White's GMT sounds like it would be the one to try.

I'll have to pick one up while in Anchorage this next time and give it a try.

Thanks again,

Jim.

  
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Hi Jim,

Won't work on saltwater beaches as the GMT is so hot it will pick up wet salt sand. Be good for dry washes for sure though.
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Glad you mentioned that. Thanks. I will still be picking one up for dry washes, I'll wait till I'm heading home though. No use carrying it to Nome with me.

Thanks again for all your help.

  
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I'm new to this game and have been doing some panning here in Idaho. My daughter bought me a Garrett Gold Stinger with two coils. I'm going to the Wasilla area next month and I'm hoping the detector will be okay there and to the north of Wasilla. From your update it's going to be mainly me and getting some experience with the machine. Thanks for the update. A few tips would definately help.

  
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Have you tried the Fisher F75? We had a fellow out at the mine last summer who found quite a few nuggets with one.



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Thanks for the comeback, Walt. I haven't done anything with detectors before. Since I'm on SS I'm pretty much limited with what I have. My son lives in Wasilla and is having me come up to visit. I'm wanting to do some nugget shooting while I'm there and he's at work. I'll be there a couple of months and he wants to go fishing on the weekends quite often. I'll be there during June and July and possibly part of August if he can stand having me there that long. I plan on having a good time anyway. Larry:smile:

  
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Hi Larry,

I'll quote myself:

"Any nugget detector made will find gold in capable hands, and the owner is far more important than the detector model. I'll put a good operator with ANY detector up against a novice with whatever is deemed "best" and bet on the experienced operator every time. The person using the detector finds the gold. The detector is actually the least important factor in nugget detecting success or failure".

Thre is no reason at all why you can't go find gold with a Garrett Stinger. I know I could and so can you. But no matter what nugget hunting is not easy.

Hi Walt,

If you get an F-75 that works right they are great units. But ever since First Texas (Bounty Hunter) took over Fisher their quality control has suffered immensely. The units I tried were unstable and prone to false signaling. The net is full of stories about units having to go back to the factory multiple times to be repaired. See the thread at http://www.findmall.com/read.php?35,713309 for a sample.

Steve Herschbach
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Thanks Steve! I talked to Gerry McMullin the other day in Boise and he said the same thing. He thinks I'll probably do okay but I know I have a lot of learning to do. I'm getting a good picture of the situation and that is that it depends on me more than anything else. I have really been enjoying the forum and have learned some things to put to use in getting experience. I am coming up later this month and will drop by to meet you. Thanks for all the good info you and others put out for all us newbies. I am going to try and get to Nome and would also like to meet Peluk. Want to see the town and all the changes since I graduated from HS. Thanks again!! Larry:smile:

  
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Hi Steve, I purchased a Whites GMT Goldmaster after reading your reviews. My problem is...my property is on the pacific ocean in Canada, and whenever I wave the Goldmaster over the salt water, it signals loudly. I dig where it notifies me to, but don't get any gold? Do you know if the salt water affects the sensitivity?

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Gmt will pick up salt like crazy. Will work in fresh water forget about using it on wet salt water beaches or salt water. The Gmt can pick up the salt in your body when you pass your hand in front of the coil. My 2 cents worth. Dave

  

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