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Steve_Herschbach
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Hi,

May 2008 update - Added new White's PulseScan TDI. I've added weights for most units but need to weigh a few myself to finish getting weights for all of them.

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ok Steve..after reading some of your numerous posts on metal detectors...why would you prefer a gold bug 2 over a whites gmt?

  
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Hi,

I don't anymore. I used to be a big user of the Gold Bug 2 as I was very fond of its compact and lightweight design. The unit is very hot on tiny gold. That is something I still like about the machine. Times change, however.

The Gold Bug 2 is an old detector, over 10 years older than the GMT, which by the way was designed by the same engineer, Dave Johnson. The Gold Bug 2 is manual ground balance only, while the GMT offers both manual ground balance and automatic ground balance. This makes the GMT a far better choice for beginners in particular. The GMT currently outsells the Gold Bug 2 in the Anchorage area by better than ten to one for this very reason.

I finally switched to the GMT in my quest for larger gold. The Gold Bug 2 may have a tiniest of edges over the GMT for sensitivity to tiny gold, but the GMT is clearly and markedly superior for depth on larger gold in heavily mineralized ground. The extreme high frequency of the Gold Bug 2 makes it hot on tiny gold but also impedes it's ability to penetrate to depth. It air tests great but depth in the ground suffers.

The Gold Bug 2 still has fans but in general I'd recommend the GMT for most people. I can hit gold so tiny with the GMT it amazes me and yet not worry I'm passing up larger nuggets at depth, always a concern with the Gold Bug 2.

Steve Herschbach
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thanks!

  
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Thanks Steve, I saw a new GMT on ebay, I was thinking of bidding. I am now wary of not buying through a dealer that could check the unit before I got it. I'm in the market and you know what I need.. I also liked the compact design of the goldbug2 ..or the minelab eureka...or the tesoro lobo supertrak. What do you stock instore at the moment? If you have any smokin deals email me directly at sullfarm@alaska.net

  
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Hi,

We stock all the gold machines, every unit listed in my review list and more. Out of the units mentioned the Eureka Gold would surprise you as it is not really that compact and actually weighs over a pound more than the GMT. The Lobo is an old favorite and another unit you can chest of hip mount.

To be perfectly frank there is little to worry about buying a used White's. They pretty much set the standard for product quality and support. I would buy a used one off eBay without hesitation, and if there was an issue White's takes real good care of it's customers, even those that buy used machines. They are the only manufacturer that offers a transferable warranty. They warranty the detector, not the owner.

I get used and demo units very often. No GMTs or Lobos at the moment but we do have a barely used Gold Bug 2 with 10" and 6" coils for $699.

The Infinium is selling far more a a beach and relic machine these days than a gold detector. TheGPX-4500 is a hot seller considering its heart stopping price tag. The MXT, Lobo, and X-Terra 70 enjoy strong sales due to the large number of people who want only one machine, want to look for gold with it, but want to use it for other things also. The GMT is a good seller locally due to our low mineral conditions and small gold on the Kenai Peninsula.
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Any recommendations for my area (Cache Creek/Petersville)? Some people have been asking, but I have no information for them. I remember some issues with hot rocks.

Dennis
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Steve_Herschbach
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Hi Dennis,

Absolutely. The graphitic slate in that area is the worst hot rock I've yet encountered. It is non-iron conductive and so reads like gold to a normal VLF. So it is a great place for a PI detector. Garrett Infinium, Minelabs, or the new White's TDI.

A White's MXT might work in that the rocks tend to all have the same visual target id and so they could be eliminated on that basis but it would be slow work and any gold under the rocks would be lost.
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Hello Steve, I truly enjoy reading your posts as they are most informative and helpful.
I have a Minlelab Eureka Gold and have spent roughly 35hrs with the stock coil. I've been detecting in a hard rock mining district of Colorado. I have found much trash down to the pin head size. I seem to locate many hot rocks/ pieces of ore, and have located two pieces of ore showing a tiny vein of gold.
I've mostly been running 20khz, boost signal, slow track, all metal......and no nuggets. Maybe I havn't passed over any nuggets? doubtfull.
Will a Coiltek 15" Wot coil or round 11" minelab coil enhance the capabilities of the EG? My current average depth of finds is 0-6".....not soo good.
I truly appreciate any input or suggestions.
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Steve_Herschbach
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Hi,

You say you have been detecting a hardrock mining district. Are you sure there are detectable nuggets to be found?

Case in point, the Hatcher Pass area north of Anchorage. Lots of hardrock mines, but the placer gold is quite small on all but one creek there. The only gold I've found in the area was gold ore with tiny gold enclosed in masses of rock. Tiny enough the only a White's Goldmaster or Fisher Gold Bug 2 can detect the gold.

The Eureka, although it has a 60 kHz setting, simply is not as hot on tiny gold as the machines just mentioned. It seems to work best at 20 kHz.

0-6" depths is not bad on small stuff. People expect feet but almost all gold finds are measured in inches. The larger coils get more depth on larger gold, but actually will lose depth on the smallest gold. The WOT coil in particular is recommended to be run at 6.4 kHz in all but the lowest mineral ground, and so is really only suitable for large nuggets.

Last comment I'd make is 35 hours of detecting time really is not much. I get people at Moore Creek or Ganes Creek that can detect 10 hours a day for six days straight who manage to find no gold in two locations where large gold is common compared to most places. It is very difficult to find gold with a metal detector and a skill few people really master.

So before you do anything I'd recommend you just put in more hours. And if it appears you have nothing to work with in the area but the smallest gold a move to a hotter unit may be in order. But not yet.
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Duts
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Hi Steve
I want to tell you how much I enjoy the articles about your prospecting adventures in Alaska. I have had many enjoyable hours reading them, I have a question for you also! I recently bought a Golden Hawk by Minelab andwas wondering if you knew anything about this unit. If you do would you give your opinion about this detedtor and how effective it is. For some reason you can't find much of anything about it, but it seems to be a high quality unit. Any info would be much appreciated from you or any other forum members, and keep the stories coming.
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Steve Your Recommendations are right on from everything I can find. It has lead me to decide to buy the Infinium LS to Start as I am around water a lot. Also here In N CA there is a lot of hot rocks and such. I also go to both AZ and AK as well so my next purchase will be the Goldbug 2. Still after a little chance to recoup my expenditures from detectors and dredge/highbanker plus other tools. I will then hit the ground with what ever has taken the place of the Minelab GPX4500 by this time next year. That looks like I will have spent at least $15000 to be able to go out and find an ounce or two of GOLD. That plus the cost of gas and a travel trailer to drag with me to those places. It will then take me 25years to break even if I do even after that long. Still this is not my first hobby that did not pay for the air I breath. Are we having any fun yet?

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Hi Ron,

The Golden Hawk is essentially just a Minelab XT1800 stuck in an old Minelab SD series type box and rod assembly. So about anything you read about the XT18000 and newer Eureka Gold applies to the Golden Hawk.
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Hi,

Updated for September 2008. Only change was to note the Minelab Eureka Gold increasing in MSRP from $1000 to $1250. Ouch!

Steve Herschbach
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Hello Steve, Could you tell me which detector would be better in the Wiseman, Coldfoot area Vlf or PI. I don't know how the hot rocks are in the area and haven't been able to find any info on the net. I would love to be able to afford both the whites GMT and sd2100 for exploring benches along creeks but I can really only afford one. I have read what you posted about the GMT at Moore creek, and how it reacts to hot rocks. That is my concern about the Wiseman area. I really enjoy reading all your postings . Hey why not start a blog about daily activites at Moore creek. Seb

  
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Hi Steve. I have a question re. the last post on page 1, and your reply, the first post on page 2 of this thread. I am leaning heavly to a GMT as we have very small gold here in Alabama and lots of hot rocks. Since the GMT is mainly a gold machine, will it work well enough on other things for me to be able to beep my daughters 4 acres in Douglasville, GA for Civil War relics. I would expect the base mother rock there to be Stone Mountain granite.

  
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Hi Seb,

In general a PI unit would be best around the Wiseman/Coldfoot area. You can get a new White's TDI for under $1500 or look for a used Minelab, say an SD2200, also for under $1500. A used Infinium can be had for well under $1000.

The GMT would work but it is harder to predict just how well. All depends on the hot rocks. I'll have to get up that way one of these days and find out.

When at Moore Creek we usually have no Internet access. We had limited access last summer due to the geos being in camp. Main problem is even if I had the access I'm just to darn busy running the operation.

Steve Herschbach
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Hi tlcarrig ,

The GMT is a very hot nugget detector. Too hot for most general detecting as the tiniest metal item will set it off. The unit has excellent iron/steel discrimination however, which also doubles to identify most iron based hot rocks.

The real issue just boils down to the number of targets. If you have lots of steel or iron or hot rocks then you can be getting signals every sweep. The GMT can be set to "grunt" on iron and "beep" on non-ferrous targets, but it can get to be mentally tiring listening to all the signals. I'd not hesitate to give it a shot myself but novices might find it overwhelming.

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Try hunting with an Infinium on a sandy freshwater beach with tons of nails (of all sizes) on the hardpan mixed with other junk. Make a guy want to rip his ears off or do like that guy in 'Scanners' did and take a Makita to the ol' noggin. ..Willy. (gotta love carbide drill bits)

  
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Thanks for your reply Steve, One other thought is I have read good reports from users on the X-terra 70 on small and large gold. The idea of a light weight detector that I could hip mount and use in the rain, In streams and just use AA batteries instead of a heavy battery pack is pretty appealing. Would the TDI get that much better depth compaired to the X-terra if the X-terra was able to handle the ground? Are we talking a few inches or a foot or more on say a 1/4 oz nugget? One of the problems with the PI is after buying the Machine you start seeing all these supper dupper coils for $350.00 and up that are just great and you know you need, and extra batteries to keep recharcged and the amp for external speakers so you can hear all those bears sneaking up on you. Don' get me wrong, I would really like to have a good P.I., It just makes the X-terra seem so simple considering I have never been to the area and don't know what I need for the area. I guess if I went to the area with a x terra and saw that the whites TDI would be alot better I could have you ship one up to Wiseman. Could you talk about the depth difference between these machines from what you have seen? Thank you and take care, Robert

  
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Sorry about the winey post above. I really need to put the mouse down and step away from the computer for awhile. I just bought a SD2100V2 brand new for a really good price. So now its time to get into coils and battery boosters and amps oh my. Thank you for all the info you put out for people. Take care , Seb

  
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Thank you for the link I will look at them a little closer.:smile:

  
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Quote: Steve_Herschbach at 20:47:48 Wed Dec 3 2008

Hi tlcarrig ,

The GMT is a very hot nugget detector. Too hot for most general detecting as the tiniest metal item will set it off. The unit has excellent iron/steel discrimination however, which also doubles to identify most iron based hot rocks.

The real issue just boils down to the number of targets. If you have lots of steel or iron or hot rocks then you can be getting signals every sweep. The GMT can be set to "grunt" on iron and "beep" on non-ferrous targets, but it can get to be mentally tiring listening to all the signals. I'd not hesitate to give it a shot myself but novices might find it overwhelming.

Steve Herschbach


Hi Steve,

I have thoroughly enjoyed reading your post- especially on the GMT. I was wondering if there are any accessory coils that can be used with the GMT to make it less sensitive and perhaps, work better at relic detecting. Are there any accessory coild for this machine? If thre are, what would hey be good for?

Thx

J.

  
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Hi seb1008,

"Would the TDI get that much better depth compaired to the X-terra if the X-terra was able to handle the ground? Are we talking a few inches or a foot or more on say a 1/4 oz nugget?"

It could be no difference, a few inches, or a foot.

Depth between a VLF and a PI is relative to mineralization. The more mineralized the ground is, the more depth advantage a PI will have over a VLF unit. So a PI will have little or no advantage in one place, and a huge advantage in another.

Your new SD2100 will serve you well.
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Hi J,

Are there any accessory coils for the GMT? Yes, currently there are two. The 4" x 6" elliptical DD "Shooter" coil and the 8" x 14" elliptical concentric coil from White's. There used to be a couple more coils made by Jimmy Sierra but they are unavailable at this time.

The small coil is great for hitting the tiny stuff and particularly good for sniping bedrock. The larger coil covers ground faster and may offer a bit more depth in moderate to low mineral ground.

You can lower the sensitivity of the GMT to small objects by simply holding the coil off the ground but you of course also lose overall depth also by the same amount. You can also lower the gain. There is no reason why you could not use the GMT to relic hunt but get ready for lots of grunting on iron targets. But I would not buy it strictly for relic hunting. It is a nugget machine that might serve for an occasional relic hunt.
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Two is better than one, Im. the FNG..I really appreciate the invite to this wonderful forum. I can finalley have alot of my questions answered..for a change. I've had a number of Detectors...The SD-2200-D, The Whites Eagle Spectrum, The Whites PRL-1 ,a great detector for silver. The IDX-PRO, Whites V-SAT, Compass, But nothing really made me happier untill..I met the Tesero Super traq Lobo...This detector is Awesome I have found gold everywhere with it,as deep as 10''.s
this sucker is so dependable...I would challenge it to any other V.L.F out there. (just dare me) Can't wait for the New upgrade...Do you have any idea when that will be??....Gold in my ear.

  
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Hi,

New update August 2009 - the Minelab X-Terra 70 has been replaced by the Minelab X-Terra 705, a slightly upgraded model. The big news is the addition of the new White's GMZ, which sets a new low entry price for a dedicated nugget detector. And super ease of operation. You have a knob which doubles as the on/off and gain (sensitivity) control and another which acts as a ground balance. A switch has either the normal mode or a "salt" setting to handle alkaline soil conditions. And that's it. For somebody wanting simple this is as simple as you can get. I'll be real curious to see how this unit performs as the next closest units running in this frequency range are almost twice the price. With a small coil on it it should be a great Kenai Peninsula unit. For somebody with a GMT this could be a great second unit as they will not interfere with each other but can share accessory coils.
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Thanks for all the information Steve. When's the GMZ due to be releast??

  
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Hi Nitro_54,

It is available now.
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Hi,

Another update - I've added the Fisher F75 to the list. A very hot unit that can tolerate a very fast swing. I've had a chance to play with the F75 at Moore Creek and on some claims up in the Wrangells. It is more money and more features than you'd want for just prospecting but someone wanting a multi-purpose detector it is a very capable unit. It won't hit gold as small as a Gold Bug 2 or GMT but it is close. Depth on larger gold in mineralized ground is better than the Gold Bug 2. I hope to get the F75 down to Crow Creek soon.

Steve Herschbach
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