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viniv
16:46:34 Sat
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This is a great setup from everything I have heard, I know a few guys who have test ran this unit and it works GREAT , watch the video on the site tells all.

Going to test run soon myself.


US prospector high banker

  
Prospect09er
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I like the concept, but not the price.
Not seeing any moss or expanded in the sluice box has me wondering, but then again, the Le Trap doesn‘t need it either. :confused:

Looking forward to what you have to say about this highbanker. If anything, I’d like to see some good pictures of it’s riffle system.

  
stanowen
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i like it, and realize that injection molding isn't cheap, but what are they thinking charging that much?

looks like it uses nugget traps/channels instead of riffles.

  
MadJack
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That can charge what they believe the market will pay, problem is when gold is up the economy is not so good and average folks can't afford the extra $$$.
Same thing happened in the 70's / 80's . . . newer technology brings on new / better products and some are priced out of reach for (too many) miners to buy.
It's easier to make ten dollars a million times than it is to make a million dollars ten times.

Nice looking rig though!



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goldrushpro
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Wo Wo Wo!

I usually only read AGF but I've gotta jump in here.
I just read about My new G-1 highbanker costing too much?

Where do I start? - Lets start with my history. I've been developing fine gold recovery devices and systems for seventeen years - and I don't mean playing around two or three hours on the weekend - I mean six or seven days a week up to fourteen hours a day. Over these years my desk and my computer and my house are stuffed with prototypes, drawings, welders, pieces of scrap everything. Over this infatuation I've lost a marrage, a job, a house, and every personal thing of value. At one point I had lived for over two and a half years as a single parent on an income of $325.00 a month. I have scratched every crack in the ground "so to speak" for seventeen years. My point here is that I've been in the lowest level of poverty and I care about things not being too expensive. Now I am the founder and owner of US Prospector, a placer mine consultant, owner of two commercial gold mines, and now starting to work with gravel pits to recover gold as a by product. I just checked the price of keene and Proline's full size highbankers and they are $1,300.00 dollars mine is lighter, folds more compact, runs on less water, will handle many times the volume without overloading the sluice, has much better fine gold recovery and ........only cost's $740.00 for the same dredge/highbanker combo unit!
I hope that everyone can see that I am deticated and concerned and want to offer equipment to the prospector that is the very best there is at prices that are close to half of what other manufacturers charge.

P.S. The S-1 finishing system is exactly how good I say it is. I just got a reply from clicktheyellowchick who has a problem with the pump on Hers and as soon as I get Her water pump fixed she will give you an honest report on the system.

Thank You for listening,
Joel Farmer
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Seden
04:40:32 Tue
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Joel,

Since you've posted I gotta ask you about the Rotary Finishing table. What's the smallest gold it will get and can it deal with the super thin float gold?

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Randy

  
goldrushpro
05:15:50 Tue
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Hey Randy,

We no longer manufacture the RFT because the S-1 System is so much better. I started with a rotary barrel machine years ago because the products that were out there couldn't clean fine gold very well but it was complicated to build and was very expensive. So I developed the RFT and got the same greatly improved gold recovery with a MSRP of $280.00 Then I developed the S-1 finishing system and the gold recovery was so increadibly good that I just couldn't offer a product that was inferior.
Those pictures that are on the forum are on my old website and I'm not sure why people can still see them?
P.S. The RFT could recover flat gold but had to be fed very slow.

Joel

  
Au_Seeker
05:33:18 Tue
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goldrushpro,

Have you tested the S-1 system to see how small of gold it will retain?

What pump does the S-1 come with?


Thanks,
Skip
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goldrushpro
06:51:08 Tue
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AU Seeker,

Yes I've tested it and it will recover down to a solid 250 mesh. Now what precentage it will recover down to 350 mesh - I can't tell you for certain. Some time in the future i will isolate a measure of 300 mesh and mix it with common concentrates and run the test. I'm not certain that there are very many placer deposits in the world that have any volume of minus 300 mesh gold? One of the placer mines that I consult has approximately 30% of there gold that will pass through a 100 mesh screen and approximatley half of that will pass through a 200 mesh screen and the S-1 recovers it to where the tailings only have 13 Parts Per Million. I'm looking for someone who owns one of those twelve thousand dollar Goldtron tables because I think I can beat it with my $350.00 dollar unit - so if you know anyone who want's to put there machine up to the test Id like to do it for fun!
Here is a picture I recieved from a company in Canada that tested my machine - it's not the greatets sales pitch because it only has one 250 mesh peice in the middle of the picture but they assured me that there was alot of this ultra fine gold and that this microscope can only see a very small section at a time.

Joel

  
goldrushpro
07:01:23 Tue
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Yeah - I'll try to get the picture on in the Morning..

Joe

  
Vance_in_AK
17:00:37 Tue
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Joel, I really like the looks of the unit & enjoyed the demo video.
I imagine my 1st thought when I saw it is what causes some others to think it's over priced. That thought was "It's just plastic?".
I know there is a ton to invest in injection molding stuff, & there is "plastic" & there is "PLASTIC!". It looks like it should hold up fine to me. Heck the header box (the part that takes the greatest beating) on my Keene is plastic too!
As for the price, when you get past the "It's plastic?" stage I think it's reasonable.
Unfortunately, since I already have a 2.5" highbanker/dredge combo, a 2" backpack dredge, two detectors, handsluices, etc. I don't think I'll be able to add it to my "must have" list for the year.
BUT, if I were shopping, I think I'd be looking awful hard at your unit.



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azkid
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how sturdy is that PVC pipe for the water.. I think if one too many cold days and a few shovel bangs then you will be replacing PVC..

Just my thoughts since I have broken alot of PVC while trying to make stuff work myself.


also the S-1 finishing sluice.. .holy cow the price....
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goldrushpro
18:24:18 Tue
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azkid - vance_in_AK,

I gotta say that the plastic is better in every way.
The ABS that the hopper and sluice are made of is far superior to aluminum because you can't bend it. If you bend aluminum the games over. ABS is super durable stuff. A guy can bend it this way and that, trip and fall on it, drop big rocks on it and it won't ding or bend. If you did figure out a way to crack it - a $2.00 bottle of ABS cement from the hardware store will repair it back to full function in an hour or two. (which has never, ever happend so far)
The first water bars were made from the thin walled PVC to keep weight down but a guy from california did break one. So now they are made from the schedule 40 PVC which is heavier but should stop the problem. On super cold days I might be careful about dropping rocks on the spray bar. But the ABS hopper and sluice will be fine on cold days.
If anyone wants a below zero G-1 I'll make them a spray bar out of steel pipe.

Thanks,
Joel

  
azkid
18:32:44 Tue
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sounds like you have great customer service there at your shop. Thats a good thing to hear keep up the good work if I ever come into 6 or 700 bucks to spend on a whime I will definately try on of your highbankers.

  
goldrushpro
18:57:58 Tue
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Oh yeah - the S-1 finishing Sluice (holy cow the price)


Lots of people make a finishing sluice and they are better than most clean up devices. I just took the time to impliment the fine attention to detail and built a (system) that takes the recovery from "pretty damn good" to "WOW!"
You can also buy just the S-1 finishing sluice without the automatic vibratory feeder for 195.00 for the guy who only cleans up small amounts of black sand and doesn't mind giving a perfect regulated feed by hand.

And honestly, I don't believe a $6000.00 dollar Gemini table can beat it. So for people who want this kind of gold recovery you can pay $6000.00 plus expensive support equipment to feed it and need to be very expierienced at operating it - plus having to permently mount it to concrete - or you can pay $350.00 for a system that gives the same or better recovery and can be operated on the tailgate of a pickup, with no training and has only one drop angle setting with metered water flow. Just screen once to 1/8inch minus, turn it on and watch it work. ( I screen to 16 mesh minus because it feeds so much better and I can walk away from it for 30 minutes at a time) but the system can, and will handle 1/8 minus with a little practice setting up the feeder.
Your 8 mesh plus can be cleaned with a spiral panner and I must tell everyone - you can run any amount of concentrates through this system and you will still end up with two or three tablespoons of black sand mixed with your gold and your on your own from there. There is a thousand "best ways" to clean that up. I'm looking into the "amalgamite" on ebay and the oxi-acetalin torch to take it to a clean gold button. But I've always just panned that last little bit and snuffed it up.

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Joel

  
goldrushpro
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gold_tender
23:09:01 Tue
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Joel ...I like the simplicity of your highbanker. I think there are several pluses to your machine. I truly hope that you will get an independent test done for the finest gold you can get. Please publish it once you get it. I strongly feel you have a good machine but you are over priced by 2-300 dollars. I feel that at this time with the recession you will have better luck selling your product at a lower price. I know one feels after he has spent the time and energy on a product such as yours, one feels it is worth a great deal of money. The supply and demand factor I am sure will be the deciding factor. Thank you for your time.

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tabwyo
03:16:19 Wed
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Joel

How often would you recomend cleaning this unit up during a prospecting day? Can you adjust the angle of the hopper and riffle tray independently? What is the max flow capcity befor you just start blowing all the gold out of the riffles? And what two mods would you make to deal with strictly very fine gold (-150 and smaller)???

  
bluethermal
03:44:34 Wed
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Hi Joel,
i live in Queenstown NZ where the Shotover and Arrow river are, which were two of the richest rivers in the world. They have a large amount of black sands that still hold much fine gold, these quickly clog up a sluice, how would your machine handle these conditions
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matt

  
goldrushpro
04:29:45 Wed
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Dear gold tender,

As I've demonstrated (above) my highbanker is 43% less than Keene and Proline. Mine is twice as big, less weight, can't be bent, easier to carry, process' many times more yards per day, has much better gold recovery, can run on as little a 1.5 hp pump, folds more compact, scrubs material much better, has design features to accomdate every size and shape of gold, is used by commercial placer mines, (and I don't mean my personal placer mines- I mean customers of mine) and because of all these improvments it is the most likley highbanker to produce paying quantities of gold.
I'm not beating around the bush - I also have done everything I can to reduce the cost.
I'm starting to think I'm a fool for selling this highbanker at such a reduced price???? And you said it - the economy is down and gold is up. After fee's, impurities and smelt loss, once ounce of gold will pay for the G-1and then continue to produce more gold than the others.

Thanks,
Joel

  
goldrushpro
04:47:29 Wed
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Dear bluethermal,

I have commercial placer mines that use my G-1 to reduce trommel sluice concentrates for finishing. In this operation they are feeding the G-1 material that is mostly black sand. They feed two five gallon buckets of these heavy concentrates before cleaning up. This reduces ten gallons of heavy sluice concentrates to approximately three cups of enriched concentrates with gold losses limited to a few cents worth of minus 250 mesh dust. It has the ability to upgrade pure black sands while retaining the gold. But aside from that - if you watch the video at usprospector.com of the G-1 in operation you'll see that it cleans up so fast and easy that repeated cleanups through out the day is no problem at all with this unit.
Thanks,
Joel

  
goldrushpro
05:50:42 Wed
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Dear tabwyo,

Clean ups are dictated by how much black sand or monozite sand is in the material you are running - but- as in the reply to (bluethermal) above, this unit has the ability to upgrade pure black sands and so it needs cleaned up much less than hungarian or expanded type riffle systems. And again, it is so fast and easy to clean this system up that it is no consideration at all to clean up alot.

I heard that a customer in California that purchased the G-1 was cleaning up every twenty shovels full on a deposit that contained gold that they refered to as parachute gold and they didn't think it was a hastle at all.

Yes the hopper and sluice are independantly adjustable. For maximum gold recovery in gold deposits that are mostly 150 mesh minus I would run about 30 to thirty five gallons of water per minute and shovel a little slower than normal.

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Joel

  
azkid
05:58:02 Wed
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while it sounds good on your posts.. it is still 3 times the cost of a Keene A52 with the added attachments..

I am intrigued by your sluice but just cannot justify the cost...

While I am open to results and tests.... would you happen to have any videos with say -150 mesh gold and sand ran through it..

or several videos with pre determined amounts of black sands and gold...


just a inquisitive person.. looking for answers..

  
JOE_S_INDY
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COST? Who said Cost?

Folks,

Lets talk about the Cost of Equipment and if you really should (or need to) spend that money.

To start with, lets decide on three different situations, which should represent a wide range of Small Scale Miners.

Mr. Alpha is a relative newcomer to mining. A one weekend a month miner, he is oriented towards enjoying the outdoors in an affordable and productive way. His finances are under careful, spousal control. Gold production is a "show the guys at work" bonus to his personal enjoyment of the outdoors. He owns hand tools and an A-51 Keene Sluice Box.

Mr. Bravo has been around mining for a few years now. He is rather skilled and finds a substantial satisfaction in overcoming mining challenges. His finances are a little more flexible and he is keenly (not a pun!) interested in increasing his gold recovery. He goes mining every weekend and every minute of his vacation. He has been known to call in sick if he’s ‘Getting good gold’. He owns older and well worn Pans, Wheels, Highbankers, Dredges, Multiple Sluices, Blue Bowls, etc. He also owns much second hand, redundant, equipment..

Mr. Charlie is an old, easy hand at mining. He lives and breathes gold. Retired now, he enjoys extra income from the gold he recovers. He mines for weeks at a stretch from breakup to freeze up and finds that he must process concentrates almost all winter. The more gold he recovers the happier he is. He has cut his equipment down to hand tools, 2 dredges, a trommel, a highbanker and various bowls, wheels mini sluices etc. He is always interested in more efficiency and increased production.

And so, these three guys are considering a new highbanker.

Alpha sees the highbanker primarily as an investment in his mining future.
@ $1600 he can buy a Keene model 173 highbanker, complete and ready to go.
@$600 he can build, over the winter, a new A-52 from Keene into a quality, home built highbanker with a new Briggs pump and hose.
@ $600 +- he can buy the G-1 and for another $250+- in pump and hoses, be streamside ready.

He may well choose the A-52 conversion because he feels he can just afford it. He believes it will help him get enough gold over a summer to ‘pay for it’ (although he never, ever, ever, ever sells his gold) and he, short sightedly, never plans for next summer's production.

Bravo chooses the G-1 because he really wants the increased gold recovery - and - he can use his already purchased pump and hose. For $600 he will have an ‘off the shelf’ fine gold recovery unit that is light, durable and will better increase recovery of fine gold. He can even build onto it to make it a dredge / banker. He’ll sell off some of his now redundant equipment to ‘free-up’ some capital to help pay for the new equipment.

Charlie doesn’t have to think too long on this. He buys the G-1 and the S-1 and the shaker-feeder to compliment his existing equipment. His trommel and dredge tailings will now be processed during the summer which will free-up his winter time (which is becoming even more precious now) and his extra income (from higher gold returns) in just a week or two’s cleanups will pay for the upgrade.

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Yes, I know it’s not accurate – but it all comes down to this:

It’s not the cost of the equipment – it’s what that equipment will do for your total bottom line that makes it a 'good buy' or not.

Lets see now – how about the guy who invented the gold pan and then the sluice. He had to “Sell” the cost of them to the guys who just picked nuggets up off the ground.

Joe

http://www.usprospector.com/index.php/concentrator

http://www.usprospector.com/index.php/buynow

http://www.keeneeng.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=173&Category_Code=PDS



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ClickTheYellowChick
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My first observation revolves around this apparently recent phenomenon: for the second time in 3 wk I've observed on this forum either a manufacturer or a manufacturer's rep attempt --NOT A RETAILER who has a 3rd perspective altogether!!!-- join in the forum dialogue albeit on the defensive until a wiser head spoke up, at least in the Falcon rep's behalf. His doing so tempered the "tone" of the attacks from where I sit. Perhaps that same wiser head will come here and speak up, also...at least I hope so. I believe it was Popandsons who defended the Falcon mfgr rep.

My second observation is that I see a bigger picture here, than taking an apparently BRAVE manufacturer to task on price. This discussion is really about "what features are incorporated for what price?" I know that is the way I approach any acquisition decision. I don't start with price! I either start with "I need this, and someone recommended yours" or "what does this thing do???" After doing my own homework, then I start shopping. I don't expect the mfgr to do my RETAIL shopping for me!!!!

ALL MANUFACTURERS have conducted a "features for a price" studies before putting a product on the market, let alone MSRP'ing it. Too many times, there are not "in between products offered small miners with in between pricing points to choose from." There are "fartin' around tools" and there is "production equipment." Some of us have left the "fartin' around" gold-finding stage.

Anyone can build a wooden trough, lay down some burlap, and wedge in some quarter-rounds on top of burlap. Voila, we have a sluice. A few fins will do that. Then Keene makes one out of tin, or aluminum. They add "features' so AZKID tells us. K's addressing the middle of the market, the space/price point between wooden troughs (with features--> lined with burlap and riffles), and Gold-Tron's, Falcon Centrifuges, Knelson Concentrators, Nefco Bowls, etc. Keene prices their "trough" more than a few fins. That be a fact. I CLEARLY remember bucking buying my first Keene A-52 20 years ago at D&K Detectors in Portland for about $85 PLUS another $15 for the leaverite ring/classifier holder attachement. Now they charge what??? $125 PLUS SHIPPING, and no classifier holder? For an aluminum trough with riffles that rust, and artificial "burlap?????"

My point: when one has a chance to actually talk to a Mr. Farmer or a "Mr. Falcon", it is my view one needs to contain the "price discussion" to the perameters of a "Price for Features" instead of just pounding on price when they make their rare occurrence into a public forum.

THEY have done the homework, and built the better mousetrap, completed the competitor studies, put a pencil to costs, AND incorporate intangibles such as "OVERHEAD" which includes dealer support, and after sales support and warranty work.

It is not until after a product is on the market, and independent, 3rd party comparisons are done that any buying decisions can be made. I don't know about the rest of you, but I want to see MORE manufacturer contact with the miner/user public, not less.

Let's be fair: If one already has
an A-52 sluice,
tromell,
a crusher,
a set of vibrating sieves,
a recirculating sluice,
pans and snuffer bottles,
shovels, buckets,
blue bowl,
highbanker
AAAAAnd a 2" to 8" dredge, ....
...is it fair to pound on a "better mousetrap" manufacturer b/c a shopper miner has tied up their earlier, discretionary funds in older "mousetraps" technology, back when you were learning and what you bot then was all that was available for features at your price point???


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peluk
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Joel,if I had a product like this and I knew it worked well,I'd take it to the various gold and gem shows.

I've yet to go to one because I am off the road system.If I were down below,I think that would be the wisest move for me.

If i were the manufacturer,I could pay for my trip many times over in sales I'm sure.Nothing like a hands on demo to eliminate questions.

  
Vance_in_AK
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Indy, don't forget that Mr. Alpha now has to go buy a new A-52 to replace the one he used on his project, so add another $125 to his cost. After all, EVERY prospector needs a hand sluice!:confused:

As I said before, if I were in the market goldrushpro's unit is one I'd be looking at hard.

AZkid, not sure where you are coming up with your price for the A-52 + adapter + hooper, + stand ($450ish I believe), .... at a third the $600. cost of the other unit.



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peluk
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You know,when you think about it,there are probably a lot of guys on this site that would get a kick out of doing a circuit with your product.I would in a wink.I love this small scale prospecting and mining.If the product works,I'll sell it.

The point that I sometimes forget is the portability issue.I see it mentioned from time to time as in the discussion of the LeTraps and the small 1.5"Dredge for example.

I don't worry about that as much. But, when I go up the creek and I want to do it on foot,having a few mix and match items in storage is very handy.You an always sell quality items when you want to downsize or there is redundancy.

  
azkid
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Quote: Vance_in_AK at 23:49:26 Wed Jan 28 2009


AZkid, not sure where you are coming up with your price for the A-52 + adapter + hooper, + stand ($450ish I believe), .... at a third the $600. cost of the other unit.


so everyone else on here can ask questions to justify stuff or debate it .. but I get attacked several times...

I was just being inquisitive as to the price...

I mean WTH... one cannot be price competetive on the forum....

just cuz my name has Kid in it .. thats not the actual case.. its my old CB handle from 15 years ago..

I am an experienced Soldier for the last 14 + years.. with 5 deployments.. so actually not really a KID per say... now..

and have a pretty good knowledge of prospecting form Desert in AZ to Working with another Forum member on his claims dilligently.. and fabricating and operating down to the finished product of gold in the vial or pan..

not sure what it is if I come off wrong to most sensitive people... due to me being blunt and not very "Wordy" if you want to call it that...

I guess the tone of if everyone does not know you then your a nobody and cannot contribute to anything..

But the point here is the Hopper is not necessarily needed with the Keene to match the feed trough of the G-1

so Keene A52 and header box + stand so for less than half (maybe I quoted 1/3 a little low.. ) you can do this..

THATS all I was SAYING.......

So I guess there is a problem with questioning the product and the price here... but I will do my best in the future to try not to "offend " anyone or question them....



  
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AZkid, I don't have a problem with you questioning price... That's between you & him.
I was just wondering where you came up with your price for the Keene stuff.
I have the setup you mention, & I know I have well over $400 (w/o pump) in it even doing it close to 15 yrs ago.

Thanks for your service by the way!!:smile:



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