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tabwyo
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Quote: azdave35 at 19:56:01 Sat Mar 14 2009

exactly...its alot of money for a pirce of small mining equip


If you are thinking that way than darned near every recreational highbanker/dredge combo is a whole lot of money.

With the G-1, a 5.5hp pump, 2" dredge kit and hoses I still came in under $1000. Sure, you can pick up a Jobe 2" combo unit for about the same and then have to add another couple hundred in extras to get it equiped to recover the fine gold I have in my area.

  
badbruce
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One of the first and most important lessons I learned as a new contractor was,
tools make the job; make the job easier; make the job more profitable.

The marketplace will decide if it's too expensive and/or junk.

As for me I'm gonna buy one.
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auldrider
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By the looks of it there's going to be a long waiting list of buyers by the time our dollar regains it's strength against the greenback! :confused:

Darn-it, don't you just hate it when that happens! :devil:

  
MadJack
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If you want to spend less money & build your own frame, read this thread and buy these;
http://bb.bbboy.net/alaskagoldforum-viewthread?forum=2&thread=725

If you like what you have read about USProspectors products in this thread, buy from www.USProspector.com .

There is no need for all this DRAMA! Buy something or don't, nobody cares!

I have read both threads, cover to cover (so to speak), and I'm buying the one that is ***shovel ready*** with proven fine-gold-recovery because that is what I need, NOW!
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TrapperRick
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I have a policy that I live by: I can't afford cheap tools.

  
tabwyo
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I am going to give the unit a workout this Saturday. I hiked back up that dry wash where there wasn't supposed to be gold and found a very thick depost of the exact same material sitting on a dense sandstone base. Original seem I tested was about 7 inches top to bottom on a bed of sand with clay stringers. This other spot has a layer with the exact same composition... but it's three feet top to bottom. And sittin on cemented sandstone that you need a jackhammer to dent. No running water so I'll have to run it with the 2000gph pump. But my jobe classifiers came in this week so I can put the wife to work screening material down while I do the pick-n-shovel work. I can most likely get a 20 five gallon bucket test out of 55g's of water. I may snag a 120 mesh shaker screen from the yard and try to rig it to screen off the tailing so I can get a longer run out of the water. But if it turns out to be a OK spot it's only 10 minutes from town. WATER RUN!!!! Even if I don't find squat it's better than sitting in the house.

  
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Please take pictures during operation, andof course..after :smile:

  
MadJack
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Finally caught up with Joel today . . . and my G-1 is ordered!
Man, that guy is busy. He said it MAY ship in two weeks but I told him we still have 4 feet of snow up here!:duuuh:



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tabwyo
21:50:05 Thu
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If the weather holds there should be running water up on the Pass. I'll be heading up to known gold country vs piddling around in a drywash that has almost nothing.

  
goldstonehigh
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Hi I am new and happy to be here. I read the first page and then the 6 and 7th page of this thread here do to time restrictions now. I am thinking about buying the plastic U. S. Prospector's G-1 which impresses me. I have a plastic green Le Trap with my homemade highbanker out of wood. (I had an older black Le Trap and someone did not return it to me.) It does work great but will not handle the volume of gravel I want. I have thought about building a 2 box Le Trap higbanker unit, side by side to handle more gravel.

My querries for any users of the G-1 is:

1) Would it be of any use to put 2 Le Trap's (on a homemade stand) on the end of the G-1 to catch the water (and gravel) coming off of it ??

2) What I mean is does the G-1 lose any gold worth catching with the 2 Le Trap's OR does it do an excellent job and that is not necessary to do ??

3) Can the G-1 be fed with a 5 gallon bucket sucessfully all day instead of using a shovel ??

4) Is there an approximate rating of yards /per/ hour of the G-1 (or a fraction there of) that the G-1 can process ?? Down to what mesh size ??

5) Finally, do you and would you rake down and metal detect the tailings piles for larger nuggets that fall off of the grizzly sizing screen ??

Thank you for any help is appreciated, even if you answer just one question above is 100%! (No tip is too small, as any input is great.)
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tabwyo
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I like the 2 LeTrap idea........

To answer from what I know.
1)Go for it!!!!!!!!!! At the very least it'll extend your run time w/o fear of the pretty stuff falling of the end.


2)From the limited experience I have had with the G-1it recovers really really really fine stuff. Crap that's hard to see without a loop. I figure if it's holding onto that than it isn't loose much of anything I'd be able to recover w/o leaching or mercury.

3) On this one I think you'd just have to eyeball it. I like to see the tops of my riffles at the very least. When you run anything already classified down to 1/4 inch almost 100% of it is going to the lower sluice. I think you can get away with shoveling as fast as you can because a goodly portion of stream gavels is going to have plenty of rocks over 1/4 inch. So maybe only 50% of your shovel full is getting down to the riffles. If you slam a shovel full of pre-classified material to it I think you may run the risk of over loading the unit and loosing gold.

4)Haven't the foggiest on this one. But I am sure I'll outrun it this summer.

5)It wouldn't hurt..........

  
QuartzvilleMiner
18:16:43 Sat
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Hello all

I'm new here and just a very part-time miner so please excuse any ignorance. I just have a question for Joel or any comment from others that my lack of common-sense mining might be obvious to you all.

I like what I see in the simple use of the G-1 but can USP make this in a smaller scale to accomodate a smaller flow rate? I'm looking at doing more up at the claim where there is no summer water and would like to run a recirculating system which means battery power pump over a tub and 2500gph is a lot of water to move through a tub. I don't want to buy equipment for this and more equipment for that, just one thing that will cover a variety of different situations. Also the green thing makes a recirculation system a little more palatable to outsiders.

  
tabwyo
00:36:36 Sun
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I run the G-1 as a recirc unit w/ a 2000gph pump. Uses roughly 10 gallons.

Took it up to the mountains today. The claim I was working isn't known for very big gold so I ran the pump at idle with a couple kinks in the hose. Recoverd a good bit out of 8 buckets of material ran. Would have ran more but the kids got wet and cold. I checked the tailings and I did find a few very small pieces that got out og the sluice.

  
Torqued
00:44:51 Sun
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Goldstonehigh,
Talking with Joel for an exteneded periods about some of the same questions led me to this:
The top has larger rifles that catch the nuggets, unless they are very large. The G-1 looses almost no gold when properly setup so an extra sluice gives no real benefit. If you feed with a bucket just shake it out moderately and not dump the whole thing.

QuartzvilleMiner
Joel uses a wx10 Honda pump as his smallest pump. He said you need to regulate the feed of the material better, but it works. The wx10 puts out 1980 gph at full throttle and is a 1" pump that weighs only 13 pounds. A good electric bilge pump will put out the same.

Hope this helps.

  
tabwyo
02:20:49 Sun
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I have ditched the homemade tail sluice idea. I am just going to run the overflow into a Le Trap. I have a few lengths of rain gutter and various gutter pieces. I am just going to use a gutter tee in the center with a couple short lenghts of gutter and cap the outside ends. Then run a down spout down to the le trap. I can hang this right off the end of the G-1.

I think my problems have more to do with the size of the gold I am going after vs the performance of the G-1. The gold is so small that it's easily displaced by other material that catches in the riffles. If I run the pump fast enough to clear that material I just wind up blowing out most of my fine gold. I want to keep my rate of production up so I figure a tail sluice is about the best answer. I'll make a hopper w/ 30 mesh screen for the Le Trap and catch the cast off material from that hopper in a mortar tub you be run over with my detector.

  
QuartzvilleMiner
15:12:39 Sun
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Is the diplaced material black sands? I was wondering how this would do as a beach sands processor with of course massive black sands and wondering if I clean out the riffles during use with a mag wand. If it's loading up with something non-magnetic then that wouldn't help.

  
JOE_S_INDY
15:47:30 Sun
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Hey there QVM!

A sluice box processes the materials that are shoveled into it. The heaviest 'stuff' should stick in the catchments and the lighter 'stuff' (including black sands) should slowly crawl through the box and out the back. Hand processing the black sands (especially on the fly) is nothing but wasted effort.

If your box is working beach concentrates you are not just working blond sand, but rather you are concentrating concentrates. In doing that you either just have to slow down to match your sluice's speed or make a wider sluice to match or slightly exceed your desired processing volume.

On the beach at Nome I used a 24 inch wide box and fed it slowly and continously with 1/4 shovel fulls of black/red sands in a left, center, right, left, center, right, left ......... pattern. Push the box with water flow or too much material and a high percentage of gold quietly washes right through.

Joe




  
goldrushpro
19:11:00 Sun
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QuartzvilleMiner,

Yes Sir, I've been working on that and here are some pictures of the G-2 highbanker which is about the size of the average "full size" highbanker but is about 35% smaller that the G-1. I must say that it is not ready for market and "may never be!" I don't want anyone getting there hopes set on this unit because I'm not sure that I like it enough to put my name on it.

It isn't that much cheaper to manufacture - it doesn't use that much less formed plastic - it is 35% narrower but is just as long as the G-1. I'm not sure it's of any benefit because the G-1 is already super light and folds compact for getting into nasty places and it can proccess as much as you can shovel - the G-2 would be a few pounds lighter but would not be able to produce nearlt as much! And besides, what you see here is really just the stream sluice that I'm working on with a hopper sitting on top of it. I'm much more interest in the lower sluice than I am with the G-2.



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Joel

  
peluk
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If you do wind up putting a LeTrap on the tail end,try this.Don't run it into the feed end to where it just splashes down just before the riffle area.Give it a smooth approach even if it means fashening an extended slick entry.If it is small specimen or flake that may have escaped,you want it to have a chance to work down to the bottom of the flow over the slick.You could even try a moss section in the top half of the slick surface.

In the video of the G1,the feed rate was admirable but questionable.It appears the material could be washed well with the existing spray setup but I think I'd want it to linger longer in the hopper.This could be acheived by various means none of which would be difficult to do.
Any material that goes down that sluice without being opened up and well watered can't be properly exposed to the cleaning action in the slots.

  
goldrushpro
19:51:22 Sun
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peluk,

Yes, if you working in material that needs more washing you can set the hopper down flatter and it will wash it very, very well.

Thanks,
Joel

  
tabwyo
00:06:41 Mon
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Peluk,

Would it help if I put a 4 inch wide strip of astro (daisy mat) right in front of the first riffle?? I am thinking this would help smooth out the flow befor going into the riffle section, catch anything kinda coarse that bounced out and create a mini back up kind of boil box effect. I know a sheet metal fella here who's damned handy with a break. He'd most likely be able to fasion a 12 inch flair/slick plate for me.

  
peluk
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Tab,I think either moss or astro would work.Either would tame the flow.I use astro in my Letrap highbanker at the top of my extension piece.I leave a good 12"-16" between its lower edge and the first grooves of the LeTrap.
Remember,you should only be hunting for very fine if the G1 is set up properly.With that in mind and given the speed of water entering the intended LeTrap extension,either astro or a mat of moss over carpet should work on about a par.That is to say,you should catch the material in the LeTrap not in either of those two mat options.Water may be going to fast yet at about the right speed for the Letrap.

You may find nothing of significant loss anyway if you are catching good quantities of really fine in the G1.

If you are catching very fine gold all the way down the face of the G1,you have poor control and you should adjust where possible.

  
tabwyo
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Well, the area I am working right now has BB sized gold on down to dust. Now as fun as it is to see the pellet sized stuff I'd much rather retain the much more plentifull fine gold. The larger stuff usually doesn't even make it out of the hopper. I futzed around with the G-1 all day and never did hit that "sweet spot". I'd either have to shut down after every bucket of material to clean up because the riffles packed off but find no gold in the tailings. Or I'd have the flow and angle right to clear the riffles of the pebbles and blow my gold out right out the end. but trust me, clean up is so simple I don't mind cleaning up as often as needed.

Another issue I have run into is the nugget traps packing off with rock. The rock we have here seems to break of in rectangular chunks. And then breaks into smaller and smaller rectangles. A good portion of the rocks I found in the upper hopper were almost a perfect fit laying in the nugget traps and not budging. I don't want to take the time to classify so I rigged up a 16 mesh insert for the G-1 hopper that runs from top to bottom. It has 1/4 inch clearance from screen to hopper all the way down to allow everything that washes through to flow along as it should. I should get a chance to test it here in the next couple weeks.
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alienbogey
01:13:09 Tue
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Joel,

Some questions I have regarding the G1 after wading through this whole thread, looking at the video and your website:

1. I have a Honda WX10 pump, which is evidently the bare minimum to consider when running the G1. If, due to lift or other factors it wasn't enough, is there any reason 2x4's or something couldn't be clamped to the sides of the sluices (top and bottom) to reduce the water flow requirements to what the pump can provide?

2. Can you tell me the total square footage of the riffle are of the G1, counting both top and bottom? The reason I ask is that the new regulations in my home state of Washington set a maximum of 10 square feet of riffle area as a cutoff for certain rules.

(Note: If it's close to 10 feet on the wrong side perhaps you could measure a little differently and round down, then publish 10 sq ft or less in your specs so those of us in this stupid state would have something to show Ranger Rick if he asks.)

OBTW, that's another reason for my asking about clamping something to the sides of the sluice, that would cut down on the square footage if over 10 feet).

3. If it's well over 10 square feet and there's no getting around it, that might be an impetus for you to build and sell the smaller G2 you showed pictures of a few posts up.

4. What would be a good quality pump (Honda or the like) that you would recommend as just the right match for the G1?

5. Can a 5 gallon bucket be set on the top of the box and material then troweled out of it? That's a handy thing to be able to do for a number of reasons.

6. It's difficult to see in the pictures, but is the area under the spray bars recessed at all?

7. How likely is it that a big nugget or specimen will make it down to the classifier at the bottom of the upper sluice and be screened off into the tailings?

8. A lot - most - of the discussion has concerned recovery of fine to superfine gold. I'm just a recreational guy who will be shoveling pit run material from the hole I just dug or got from a backhoe-dug pile. How will it work with material like that - meaning completely unclassified with rounded or jagged rock depending on the area?

As I watched your video over several times I was left with questions and hereby offer these unsolicited suggestions for improving it:

> You mention how small a package the G1 folds up into. Show it in the video!

> You mention how quickly it sets up on site. Show it in the video - have someone walk up with it packed for transport and set it up.

> I couldn't tell from the video anything about the hopper area under the spray bars or the nature of the riffles or how they are different from the upper sluice or the lower. Some close-ups of the upper and lower sluices would be nice, perhaps during the set up process suggested above.

> Maybe show some of the material being salted with everything from a nugget or two and pickers to some of that superfine stuff it's supposed to catch so well. Later, with editing, show the material in the riffles and the clean up.

These suggestions are FWIW, YMMV.






  
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The above picture of gold was with the G1. Top Hopper set to allow the rocks to roll off. Bottom tray at 1/2 inch per foot. The water at 40gpm/min .
Jeff then ran the material thru 30 50 and 100 mesh screens. Jeff ran the material thru the S1 concentrator. 20 percent of the gold was -100 mesh. 100 mesh or smaller. 40 percent was between 50 -100 mesh and the other 40 percent was larger than 50 mesh.

  
dredgeguy
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Jeff out highbanking with the G1. He actually got a ticket from the dfg for polluting the water. We will fight that one in court.


  
peluk
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This is a perfect opportunity to examine just what it is that the miner in the picture is doing wrong.What is it that the DFG found to be unacceptable?Was it runoff?

Did they state what you as a miner should have been doing to make the situation acceptable? Has it been stated in writing as a policy for mining closeby a salmon stream?Is that a salmon stream? Is the policy applicable to all streams? Is silt a polutant or has the generation of it been adjudged to be a substance that must be controlled?

If the answer is yes.then the operator may be at fault.If he is operating contrary to established state policy,he has to bite the bullet and pay up.

To fight this may mean tighter restrictions where the state has already compromised to satisfy the screaming greenies.
Cost the state time and money in court and the solution is obvious...get your highbanker out of my yard!

Look at it from both sides and change the legislation in place or abide by it.

This derails your thread a bit and it should be picked up elsewhere.There are too many seagulls on the rock now.We have to deal with the situation sensibly.

  
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Hey Dredgeguy,

Was Jeff working on a mining claim? Was he on Fed or State administered public land? What State?

Most importantly, did Jeff feel that he wasn't creating a "signifigant Surface Disturbance"? If so then no POO or NOI was required, something to remember 'just in case'.

Could it be that the DFG guy overstepped official guidelines as to whether relocating small quantities of minute solids is defined as pollution.

Joe




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goldcoastprospector
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Now that a few people own the G1 my question is how will this unit work with dredge kit? Is it a 2 man op. 1 with nozzel, 1 clearing overburden on the classifing screen or do ya'll think 1 person would be fine since I work solo most of the time? I'd like to here Vini to pipe in on this one. Thanx Mark
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