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Heavens_Pavement
06:11:44 Fri
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On Joes Videos, in all honesty, the G-1 and S-1 need help, bad, the panning one is border as video quality is poor.
That being said, I did order all of the above, gut feeling really.
Out of all the pans I've used his has been the most "comfortable"along with speed/recovery.
The S-1 I am going to do a full post, in short VERY impressed, it got small specks I had missed b4.
The g-1,have not run yet.. to be continued..
I would like to say and tis has been a big one for me.
is that Joe has been very resposive to e-mails(with 24 hrs) with questions and such.Very helpful, not short answers trying to make me go away.the pump go my s-1 died a premature death(American made too), he fedex me one right away, no quibals or hoops , just made it right, with speed!,
So no , no premeasured gold recovery analisis, but I am very happy with my purchase thus far and will consider any thing else he comes up with if it fits the bill.
I would like to thank all of the g-1 owners posting pics in action, as I do not have access to my claim right now and dredging season every where else doesnot open til may 15th, unless some knows a rec area in Alaska that is open right now???
As with anything new, you have to learn the equiptment, and I am learing from you, thank you and please continue to post pics(or even a vid :smile:smile:

  
DanBrunner
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Heavens, I too picked up his pro pan. Thats what convinced me to go with the G1. I like Joel's approach to things. I am looking forward to getting my unit set up this spring.

  
tabwyo
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Usprospectors "Easy Pan" or "Pro Pan" was reviewed in the May/June issue of The Gold Prospector GPAA magazine. They give it a "must have" rating.

I use it as a sample pan. Quick, fast and effective sampling tool. I prefer my traditional pans for fine work. But that's mostly because I am just so used to using them.

As for any more input on the G-1. I'll get a really good side by side comparison with quite a few different makes/configurations of highbankers this June. My local prospecting club has a 3 day outing planed. And we usually have anywhere from 4-8 different highbankers in action. There will certainly be a Proline, a Kenne, a unit made be the fella that does the Packwasher drywashers and a Honcoop. I have one of Dans trays and I'll be building a frame and hopper for it and running that soon as well.
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goldrushpro
03:30:05 Wed
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Heavens_Pavement, Thank You - and you can contact me any time!

Sorry about the poor quality video's.

To all those who are patiently waiting for thier orders: I'm working seven days a week and I've had better luck the last few days with temp workers showing up. The sheer number of orders combined with having to break away and move into a larger shop has been brutal! We are buying large volumes of materials now and have a new frame jig for the G-1 and production is now moving along very well. I should have all orders caught up withing ten days from now.

azkid,
You call me tomorrow 208-608-2689 after 09:00(Mountain Time)

Thanks,
Joel

  
DanBrunner
04:54:53 Wed
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Joel,

Which one of those has my name on it? :P

  
Heavens_Pavement
05:01:20 Wed
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New I had to order mine when I did :smile:

  
popandsonminers
05:22:07 Wed
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Joel,

Iíve been following this thread with keen interest from the beginning and congratulations to you on a sluice design with efficient space, weight and clean-up features- most impressive. And that picture of the parallel sluices behind the trommel is a classic in the approach to fine gold recovery: a nice thin, even, slow flow over a bank of sluices. Iíll be most interested to hear more testimonials and pictures from your customers, too, as the true measure of success is satisfied customers, regardless of how small the gold is!

Now that we all understand Jimís challenge in keeping this forum active and viable, I hope that commercial ventures like yours will consider paying a reasonable, voluntary commission to the AGF (DONATE button at top of page) as payment for each direct sale made as a result of exposure on the forum. Seems only fair---- What do you say??

Steve Gaber


  
goldrushpro
01:36:56 Thu
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popandsonminers,

Thank you.

I have been meaning to pay Jim for some advertising but I've been so busy that I haven't yet.

I'll find out right now.

Thanks,
Joel

  
mini4x4
02:05:42 Tue
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I am not sure how folks who dont manufacture this unit can tell someone who does how much it should cost. If Joel says its $505 but that is more than you want to pay then thats how it is. I have seen the results of this G1 Highbanker and I dint think there was that much tiny tiny gold out there. I plan on buying one and using it places that doesnt even have gold you can easily see. I am also interested in seeing the test results of all the other highbankers. Where is this info so I can take a look at it. I have seen gold recovered from probably 30+ different highbankers in my life and I have never before seen fine gold in quantitys that I have seen from the ass end of the G1. I understand why everyone is skeptical but isnt there any optomistic prospectors anymore. I have taken a pan all over idaho and oregon and have found good gold in places that others say is hundreds of miles from any gold. A pessimist wouldnt have looked and an optimist will often find what he is looking for.



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tabwyo
03:09:26 Tue
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I'll get a side by side run with a few other major makes of highbankers in June. I am just going to add a simple hopper and frame to Dan's tray so my kids can have their own highbanker and they'll keep their mitts outta mine.

  
tanglefoot
21:55:55 Tue
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Joel,

Would you give me angles of drop in inches per foot for both the sluice and the hopper? I just need a reference point to start from. I can read a level and a tape, but I'm having trouble making sand bars and making them disappear.:confused:

The first time I took the G-1 out, I don't think I ever got it set up right. I found the usual amount of flat flaky gold. When I panned the cons at home, I found nearly invisable face powder size gold that I didn't realize was in that deposit.:smile:

Thanks,
Tanglefoot

  
tabwyo
00:32:29 Wed
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I am not Joel but I think the answer would be "you'll have to tinker with the angles to best suite your situation". Work in the same area and dial the unit in. Go steep, go shallow and everything in between until you hit the sweet spot. There isn't a piece of equipment on the market yet that auto adjusts to every possible condition.

  
dredger
01:54:07 Wed
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Hey tanglefoot,

Congrats on ya find, :smile:
"" I found nearly invisable face powder size gold that I didn't realize was in that deposit "".

Would you give us some info on why you thought you would not find invisible face powder size gold in the spot your are in, perhaps some info on where your are working, ??, placer, hHighbank, ??. dry creek,??. dry river bed, ??,

The reason I ask is there must be other members in similar situations / areas who also do or did not realize they might have powder size gold and also might be loosing more flaky gold then they might think, I suggest perhaps 1/4 to 1/5 the total weight of the gold at the end of the day, ??. perhaps,

Also please consider an observation of mine, I have noted that visible gold and not visible gold pretty much relies on the angle that the powder size gold is laying to reflect the enough light " back " to your eyes, I suggest any gold that " can " be seen is not a clear indication of how much powder gold is on the surface you are inspecting, or in ya sample,
Pic 1 ,

Pic 1

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Pic3

back asap, testing,

  
tabwyo
03:29:37 Wed
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Well, for me the sell on the G-1 so far is that I have recovered more gold and smaller gold with the G-1 than I did my P&S sluice. All the highbanker vs stream sluice bits aside. I found more in one day with the G-1 then i did in 6 outings with the stream sluice. Same place, same gravel and with the G-1 I didn't bother grading the material down. I just shoveled.

  
DanBrunner
04:02:44 Wed
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Wow, what magnification are those pics? That's some seriously fine looking gold. Did you recover that with the G1/S1 or another method? If other, then how?

  
Eu_citzen
15:58:01 Thu
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Now it's my turn to chime in.

Tabwyo,
Are those two sluices the same width? If not I guess one of them has a disadvantage. :confused:

Sounds like a neat product though.:smile:


  
tabwyo
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Of course they weren't the same width. And to add to the disadvantage the P&S was a STREAM SLUICE. All that aside though, I recovered finer gold with the G-1 than I did with the P&S. And I do believe the advantage for recovering the fines should have fallen firmly in the P&S's territory.

  
dredger
23:46:52 Thu
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Hey Dan,

mate , I tried to focus the size of the gold to and on the thickness of the hairs shown, I was thinking of sort of pulling a hair out of my head, and using a sharp blade, I spilt the hair say 6-9 times, give me a rough idea on gold that does come as powder size gold, ( pics were taken with a 40-80 power/ trick camera, ( with %100-%350 zoom, with witch i often played with, resulting in complete confusion as to the exact power, sorry, ).
No Dan, I am hoping you guys do some testing with G1/S1 concepts, Tabwyo is already very keen, and i look forward to more testing results, i am excited, :devil:. to all.
Tabwyo also has words of wisdom in saying,
"go shallow and everything in between until you hit the sweet spot. There isn't a piece of equipment on the market yet that auto adjusts to every possible condition ". and I agree , very good advise for any unit,then perhaps use an adjustable ( bubble level, ) degree wheel, we call them by their brand name, " STABILLA ", ( I think that is right, ), Only 10-12 dollars,,

The fineness of the gold in the pics can be reproduced by grating a chunk of gold on a really fine strong s/s cheese grater, then use around 90-100 micron screen to separate the really fine stuff, , a point of interest here concerning using or producing fine powder gold for testing purposes, is I suggest the cheese grater method gives a fine gold that looks and is more likely to " act " like Flaky gold, if you require fine gold that is more lumpy, I suggest you place or sprinkle some of the fine grated gold in a retort, ( flat bottom,) ( " no Hg ), and apply some heat, let them cool down , then check the grated gold with a scope to see if the heat has just melted to sharp bits, too much heat makes them into balls, if do this, you will have grated rough fines, and party melted grated gold,and round ball shapes and very fine sizes, for testing, :devil:, please note the above pics show pretty much melted gold specs, not really ballish shape, please also note pics 2-3, bottom centre shows 150-200 micron chunky/ ball gold, which i placed in the pic for ?? comparison,

Guys I will post this before i loss it, been " really "bussy last few days, back asap.


  
tabwyo
00:22:52 Fri
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I am heading up to one of the claims up on South Pass known to produce everything from quarter size nuggets down to face powder. Even better is that I scouted the wash I want to run in and there is enough melt to run the dredge. Here in the next couple weeks I want to hit quite a few of the seasonal drainages. No season on drainages that dry up anually.

  
dredger
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Please note, first Pic 1, shows 4 hairs ranging from about 90 micron down to 40 micron, please also note, 99% of the material other then the hairs is " definitely gold ",
Second pic 1, shows closer up, that the gold gives off different light reflection/refraction, resulting in some gold appearing light to dark brown,
Pic 2. also shows some ( two black stones,) (visual aids placed int the sample to show difference between colours/shades of gold and stone,
Pic3, is "refocusing " on the hair, ( suggesting to me I raised up the scope approx 90 micron, please note the " left " side of the hair, in both pics 2,3, pic 2, shows lots of light reflected from the tiny gold, and pic 3 shows perhaps %80 of those now are dull, and have lost their reflection,
Please also note there is no light reflection " lost " in both pics " on " the "right side" of the hair, please also note that " some" of the really small specs of gold that were reflecting light , now are turning light brown, some disappear after focus, perhaps suggesting or really my line of thought is that some gold can be so small and invisible to the human eye except when direct light is actually coming from the right direction,
What size is that gold,or gold that is invisible to the human eye, ?. my guess is depends on the light source and direction, pic 3, and the hair mostly is in focus shows some possible 15 reflections, I can assure you they are gold,
The hair is or looks about 90 micron wide/thick when placed on a 90 micron hole sieve,( under scope ), and allowing for where the hair thins down a little , to perhaps 60 micron ,
please note the 2 black stones actually attached to the hair, ( lowest stone on the hair is perhaps half the width of the hair at that point,perhaps a 30 micron rock,) My guess is the gold attached to the hair is around 20 micron and or smaller, two reasons for that are 1, I refocused and zoomed using the computer and had a good look, and 2, that gold is attached to the hair because of a ( weak ) static-electromagnetic affect "from or in " the hair , which was not capable or strong enough the pick up any larger gold while i was rubbing the hair in the gold powder on the glass, ( interesting observation ),
For the new guys, an old school boy trick was to rub a plastic ruler on his pants leg to build up a electrostatic charge in the plastic ruler , to lift up the young girls hair ( mess up )sitting in front of him/me in class , also the lift and play with small bits of paper, my point for the new guys is if anyone ever bets he has a gold magnet,please be aware that fine to powder ( and smaller )size gold can be picked up with a electrostatic charged plastic ruler , also quickly picks up fine to powder size " dust ",
So under 20 micron size, ( I am guessing ), actually with the zoom on the computer and I seriously thought I could see down to about 4--- micron, ??, but i am no expert with a camera, anyway, what springs to mind is popandsons observation where a 10 micron spec of gold can stay in suspension for up to ten seconds, which i think is very true, perhaps even more so if the 10 micron gold is flat and flaky ( 1 to 2 micron thick ), and the line of thought is "how to recover gold that stays in suspension while travelling down a sluice," I think and I repeat, I suggest powder /flaky fine gold is recoverable even though it is suspendable " due " to centrivical forces, found in a riffle vortex concept, perhaps a bit of luck here is the vacuum plastic riffle concept riffle is more accurate at recovery, I am hoping it is, specifically for high bankers and small sluices,
Ok, blar , blar, smaller and smaller, very hard to recover, however and in the interest of new guys, ( and back on subject, ) tabwyo has mentioned recovering surprising amounts of powder size gold, so i suggest if anyone is finding any powder size gold, ( new guys please note, you might find powder size gold, but there are alot of reasons why you might not, or is it worth it, ?? ) should /could (1), improve the recovery of powder size gold, (2) improve the speed and accuracy in all panning, , by sieving your cons at the point or beginning of clean-up, before any panning, specifically for the powder size gold i would suggest to the new guy, use a around 500 micron hole size s/s wire sieve, ( same diameter as the standard and your own other sieves,any new guy just starting should have I suggest 3 classification sizes sieves, and use them a lot, ) all materials that passes through that 500 micron sieve could be lightly panned " in excellent sunlight " and watch for sparkles, just pan off the lighter colour to darker brown sands, then take the blackish brown cons home,pan those off, keep the materials panned off for later, hopefully you will get a surprise too,
Ok, gotta get back to other things,
:devil: everyone,



  
goldstonehigh
18:38:07 Tue
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I want to get a G1 too.

1) What size of dredge suction nozzle is recommended for the most fine gold retention effencency, to feed the G1, meaning will a 3" flood the box or is a 2 and 1/2" better??

2) Two different figures from a minimum to a maximum what sizes of GPM pumps are required to run the G1. Meaning how many GPM pump from the smallest to the largest is recommended for the G1, for direct feed and also to run the dredge suction nozzle?? (Also with a "gravel pump", Mug Hog, or a Honda, diaphram or not a semi but a FULL, "Trash Pump" a person could dredge with it directly into the G1 box and not through the spray bar as it may plug it up, or work in muddy holes off of the river without burning out the pump.)

3) Anyone tried the Idaho made Gold Grabber II highbanker? How is it on saving the small 100-250 mesh flour gold as compared to the G1?

Thanks.

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DanBrunner
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I just got this pump from Harbor Freight. Its one that Joel recommended.. Its a Pacific Hydrostar 2" 6.5hp.. 145 gpm pump.. Model #: 95977



The only thing missing from this is my G1. Joel said he was going to try to get it shipped today. I just hope its here by this weekend. Joel, if you're reading these posts still, please tell me you shipped it priority. :smile:

  
cubsqueal
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I've been wondering if a person, after wearing out the engine on a pump like this, could then buy a nice Honda (or whatever) replacement engine maybe off e-Bay and bolt the pump onto it. That way you'd be getting the pump section at a real good price overall and also eventually have a top-flight engine to drive it.

  
QuartzvilleMiner
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Nice pump but I thought Joel said it used around 2400 gph, 145gpm would be a heck of a lot more than I thought. I'm still interested if someone can make this a recirculating system. I'm look at some bilge pumps in the 2400 or so range but that's only 40gpm, no where near 145.

I want to use it in dry areas and Oregon now is enforcing this rule requiring you to purchase a water use permit for $15 for every place you set up a pump. They are getting rediculous so I figure a recirculating system will beat them at their own game...

  
kaveman
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Best to go a little too large rather than a little too small. No need to run it at full throttle, and once you put 100' of hose on it and lift the water a few feet in elevation it won't be putting out 145gpm even at full gas. Never, never, never shoot for the minimum and hope it'll be enough. You'll end up buying the bigger unit in the end.

I've heard the Chinese Honda clones are actually pretty decent engines. This thing should go forever at the reduced settings. I wouldn't be too worried about having to replace it.

As for the bilge pump, try it. They're cheap enough that you can always double up if you need to, especially if your recirculation system can be set up near your vehicle so you can jumper directly to the battery, running at idle occasionally to keep the charge up. You've got very short hose runs and no real change in elevation so you shouldn't loose too much flow capacity. IIRC, Joel recommended 45gpm as a minimum with 50-55 being ideal.
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goldstonehigh
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http://www.hondapowerequipment.com/products/modeldetail.aspx?page=modeldetail§ion=P2WP&modelname=WX15&modelid=WX15AX2
Then the Honda WX15AX2, 1.5", very lightweight mini 4-stroke, 20 lb.(pound) pump would be just right then at 72 GPM.

Yes I want to know how to do a recirculating system also. An electric bilge (trash) pump is a great idea. Can you give me a web link to a bilge trash pump please??

ALSO to highbank the G1 in (non-running water)deadwater holes that are full of silt and mud suspended in the water. I NEED a FULL or SEMI-TRASH PUMP also. I am leaning to a semi-trash pump instead because full-trash pumps are very heavy, very expensive, and passing about one inch sized rocks is not needed.

I just need a cheaper and lighter weight semi-trash pump just to process silt laden water without burning out the pump.

If a person run muddy and silt laden water through the above Honda WX15AX2 engine or the Pacific Hydrostar 2" 6.5 HP. Would it burn out the pump??

Does anyone have a web link to a SEMI-TRASH pump??

http://www.hondapowerequipment.com/products/pumps/content.aspx?asset=wp_choose
This may answer the question about buring out the pump in Silt--Muck laden water for the above 20 lb.(pound) WX15AX2 Honda pump. ALL Honda's must be Semi-Trash pumps then:
Clear Water-------------YES--
Slimy Water------------ YES--
Muck Water-------------YES--
Silt Water----------------YES--
High Solid Content-----NO--

  
baub
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Folks,

A month or so ago, I tried out a g-1 that a friend bought . Most all gold ended up in the upper sluice. I used a 2200gph 12 vdc pump and lifted the recycled water about 5 feet. This was a marginal setup at best. Conditions were poor and I was sick with some fatiguing virus that took a couple of weeks to clear up. The materials I ran thru come from the river nearby and were 1/4 in minus.
It was obvious that I didn't have the setup dialed in, yet it worked well enough to decide to order a G-1 in the future.

Joel,

I noticed a ganged setup with multiple sluices and about a 4 inch feed you were working on a few months ago. Were you able to get it debugged ? If so, how did it do ? Any changes recommended ? How many sluices and gpm's required to run this setup ?
I had thought of a Le Trap setup similar to this, but if yours worked very well, I'de reconsider my plans.
The problem I see with stream type ops is the need to keep the stream clean and tidy. I believe the EPA has begun a lawsuit requiring Mother Nature to clean up her springtime act , or face the possibility of punitve actions and a downgrading of her credit status. So to avoid this myself , I'm looking at remote processing of materials and an orderly redeposition of the tails.
For those hardrockers using impact style crushers, this G- 1 looks capable of handling a constant feed, constant size material, somewhere South of 80 mesh, with ease. I'm not expert in any phase, or style of mining, but I've heard that the smaller you crush the ore, while fine tuning the rec equipment for the ore size, the more likely it is that a higher yield will emerge. If you could determine the "sweet spot" ore size for optimum recovery of the values, then see if the G-1 will meet your recovery needs ..........


Thanks Joel,

Baub

  
baub
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Dredger

Electrostatics have been mentioned in Keene's sales pitch for their line of drywashers. Gold Exercist supposedly uses this phenomena too.
Probably works best dry.

b

  
peluk
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Maybe this will be of help.
For recirculating on a larger scale,this will work.Use a standard poly tarp for your pond.Level the ground as much as possible and pick out sharp rocks or sticks from the surface.You can even throw some sand over the ground to protect the tarp.It's not essential however.

Drape the tarp over a perimeter wall of 6x6,TGI,or even sandbags.Under the lip of the sluice you can place a tub to collect waste.Let the tub overflow into your pond.
This keeps the pond cleaner.Shovel out the waste periodically.
I've used this design with the largest highbankers fed with a Honda 2"pump and I'm very satisfied with it.

On a smaller scale,a large snow machine akio(toboggan)works just fine.I've even set one of these tub type toboggans lower than the other to catch overflow into the lower one.It makes the runoff even cleaner.I use electric sump pumps in these smaller setups.Actually,an electric sump pump will work fine for a mid size highbanker in your yard.At the creekside you could power one with a quiet generator.

After all the discussion on the G1 catching capability,how about this as a flow regulator.Place an extension on the ouflow lip.It could even be flared.Make it out of small expanded over ribbed carpet.Have a slick at the top so waste water from the G1 has a chance to settle a bit before hitting the expanded field.Any gold loss should show up right there at the slick edge and a coulpe of inches beyond.
If it shows up,lower the angle on the G1 or change water flow.

  
DanBrunner
05:23:35 Thu
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I just got notice of my G1 shipping tonight. Hopefully I'll have some pictures or videos ready in a week or two. Any requests from you guys as I move forward with this? I was thinking of video taping the unwrapping and assembly of the unit for starters.

  

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