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cubsqueal
07:42:29 Sat
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The ultimate (practical) defense against grizzlies?


Are there better guns than this for facing a grizzly with a bad attitude? The 18 1/2" barrel sure would be handy in the alders, even here in western Oregon.

(Once my father was shooting carp near Salem, Oregon. A guy came running at him in the brush. My dad pulled his bow to full draw at the guy's chest. The guy said, "What time is it?" So you never know who or what's out there.)

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/shotguns/model-887/model-887-nitro-mag-tactical.aspx

Another photo:

http://www.remington.com/product-families/firearms/shotgun-families/pump-action-model-887.aspx

  
Vance_in_AK
08:18:33 Sat
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I personaly would rather have my Marlin Guide Gun in 450 Marlin with 420gr hardcast bullets.



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tvanwho
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I don't like guns,but

I was wondering what the shortest barreled shotgun there is for firing slugs? Why are sawed off shotguns illegal?

-Tom

  
baub
21:37:25 Sat
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Sawed off shotguns reduced length enable them to be concealed easier.

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JOE_S_INDY
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Tom,

18 inches is the theoretical minimum. I shortened my 12 Ga pump Bear Gun barrel to 24 inches - just so those keyed in to "legal" would have no heartburn - by 6 inches.

Big holes leaking lots of body fluids.

Joe S
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charlene91
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when i am out and about i always wear either my 45-70 pistol or my 450 marlin pistol the 45-70 has a 7.5 in barrel the 450 marlin has a 10 in barrel and they both hold 5 rounds and i carry rounds on my belt i wear one of them always even when i go to town up here in ALASKA we can do that ..you never know when you might have a varmint brother you weather it be 2 legged or 4 legged bye for now Charlene



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And breaks up all the clay;
It works and works - so lean and mean -
Works all the live long day.

So if you want no rocks or clay
To ever slow you down,
Just use a trommel every day
And watch 'er go to town!

What is that yellow in my swirls?
Could all of that be gold?
O, trommel, trommel... I'm your girl,
Together we'll grow old.


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Jim_Alaska
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Charlene, you have been gone waaaay too long. Welcome back lady.



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baub
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Seconded. Hi Charlene.

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Walt_Anchorage
15:59:00 Mon
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Someone should invent a "bear bag". Kinda like an air bag. A Kevlar vest you wear that would pop into a big ball, with you inside, if a bear charged.



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peluk
21:15:04 Mon
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Check out Karelian Bear Dogs.It's a Finnish dog and the Russians call them Laikas.
They are not a family pet although they are good with kids.They are bad with other dogs,they are independent,need frequent exercise but they will keep bears away and let you know when they are around.

That would give you the opportunity to use whatever firearm you have if you still need it.

I don't know if you folks are familiar with dogs that"don't make good pets"but it has to be considered.
My daughter has a shiba ita(or maybe a shiba inu..I don't want to look it up..as long as it's gone,i'm happy).It looks like a redfox,doesn't play well with other dogs,snaps at kids and doesn't die when you drive over it.I think the Japanese crossed a jackal with a rock and got this little hunting dog.It must have been sometime back when people weren't inclined to pet dogs anymore than they would be to pet a rattlesnake.

A workdog is quite often that and only that which doesn't diminish its value.When you need a job done it will do it.

Oh,I didn't drive over it.Another guy did.The dog with it died.The Shiba,though its head was crushed a bit,lived.It had a funny bite for a while which was to be expected since it's head was flat on one side.
I'm just glad it wasn't in my care when that happened.

Now it's back with her in New York city.She lets it roam on the rooftop of an apartment building.She ought to teach it to chase a ball.


  
JOE_S_INDY
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A while ago I had one of those crazy thoughts that I'm famous for.

Why not carry a taser as a second line of defense in the rare case of a bear attack? It seemed logical and practical.

I did the obvious.

I sent an email to the taser folks. I explained that I was interested in knowing if the possible effects on a bear could parallel those of humans. A few days later I received one of those "...we will make no statements due to liability..." replies.

Still .........

Joe S



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fubar
00:33:45 Tue
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Joe:
I think when it comes to shootin a bear...
with anything...
If'n he ain't dead, (no matter how hard you may wish it),
you ain't dun.
lmao

Scotty
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adkpros
01:26:34 Tue
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I just can't seem to get that flat headed, strange bite dog visual out of my head!!!! That's funny, I don't care who you are. Thanks for the good laugh Peluk!!

  
Goldinmyear
04:25:23 Tue
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I Taised A Black Bear 2 weeks ago Here in So. Oregon
My truck was almost a football field away..Her cubs were less than 10 yards from me,I ran my ass off ,and never looked back,jumped in my truck,and Guess what.....That black bear was still doing the funky chicken,,,on its back,...This tazer was only 10.000 volts
Just think what 50.000 volts can do to a GRIZ......Trust
me it will put her down. HH. Tor

  
charlene91
05:38:16 Tue
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that might be true for a black bear but the only way to stop a pissed off griz is to to brake frame works charlene



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My trommel gets the rocks so clean,
And breaks up all the clay;
It works and works - so lean and mean -
Works all the live long day.

So if you want no rocks or clay
To ever slow you down,
Just use a trommel every day
And watch 'er go to town!

What is that yellow in my swirls?
Could all of that be gold?
O, trommel, trommel... I'm your girl,
Together we'll grow old.


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DanAK
09:48:20 Tue
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"The ultimate (practical) defense against grizzlies?"

Go buy yourself a $10. battery powered radio, and leave it on, while you are not making any noise it will be, bears will stay away.
I am normally making noise all day at my place, at night I let the generator run "For Bear protection" it costs 1/2 gallon of gas to make noise for about 7 hours while I sleep, so far it has worked. Oh of course I have the CD player on playing Bob Wills most of the night too.
I have my 375 H&H mag on the bed beside me, a 44 mag on the night stand and a 12 gauge loaded with slugs just against the wall within reach. I sleep pretty sound, if a bear was to break in it would probably have me half eaten before I started a shooting.



  
AuTSaurus
10:19:49 Tue
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Careful there, Dan.

Playing Bob Wills, and living that far north, you might
call in one of those russian dancing bears. :devil:

Greg

  
dredger
23:06:07 Tue
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I agree Jim, Charlene, you have been awaay far too long,
If I ever make it to Alaska, I will have to have " you " as my body guard, along with a dozen of Peluks pups, and a few of Joe's tasers to keep the pups in line,also a few really loud boomboxes, ( thanks Dan, I won't forget that one,):smile: mate, just to add to you idea, I was thinking what would happen if you were quitly stalking dinner, and came across the path of a cranky bear mother, 100 or 200 feet away, and you turned up the loud music, ??. would the mother bear retreat,??. certainly send any cubs running, HMMMMM, maybe some one should invent a boombox ' HUNTING JACKET,:devil:
Thanks cubsqueal, you are always starting great threads, and as always you are on the money, and I agree,
You Say, "This forum just isn't quite the same when the posters from awhile back stop showing up. It kind of loses a bit of its charm when that happens. And that's not to say the new posters aren't appreciated also ".
Thanks guys, This forum is a great way to start ya day, thanks everyone,

dredger.

  
JOE_S_INDY
00:57:47 Wed
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And when Dan's radio, tape player and generator aren't being used because no one is there - well -



Joe S - Dan's frequent guest (I run slower than him - Know what I mean, Verne?)

Joe S

  
DanAK
03:07:21 Wed
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Dredger, I am not sure if I would venture a guess how the sow / cub scare would end up , (sneaking up on a cranky mother bear with cubs and then saying "SURPRISE" probably would not end well) though it would probably make a good youtube video :devil:
Better not try that one.
My point was it is always better to have the bear hear you and avoid you rather than to have a surprise visit.


  
rluka
04:37:17 Wed
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Hi All
I thought I would share my bear story with you. I live on Vancouver Island and we dont have to worry about Grizzly bears here because there arent any.
A few years ago I was down by a river in late September. It was starting to get dark but still enough light. I turned around to head back to my camp and there in front of me (about 6 feet) was a bear. It opened its mouth and made the loudest noise I have ever heard from any animal. I could see down its throat. Without giving it any thought, I also made the loudest noise that I have ever made. I felt like I momentarilly blacked out (still standing) from fear. When I stopped screaming and finally came to my senses the bear was gone. I was carrying a pot of water with a lid on it and when I got a back to my camp (in a hurry) I had to pry my hands loose from the pot because I gripped it soo hard.
When I first saw it I could tell that it wasnt really big because it wasnt taller than me.(im 6 feet) Maybe 300 hundred pounds or so but Im sure it could have done some damage if it wanted to.
Im not sure if this is a practical defense against anything but a Grizzly but this one time it worked for me.

RonL

  
fubar
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Joe & Dan:
Myrna saw Joes picture of the bear prints on the Kitchen Cabinets.....You should have seen her face when I told her where the cabinet is at!!!

Just got authorization to purchase a new big boomer prior to the next trip!!

Scotty
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overtheedge
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Back in the Nam days, we had a 40 mike mike APERs round. As I recall 27 each 00 pellets. Then there was the beehive round. A whole passel of fleshettes that are still available for the discriminating reloader. T'were steel darts and available in 90 mike mike rounds for the M67 and 105's.

Oh well, s'pose I'm just getting old. Winters have a way of bringing back memories of times of old. Wonder what would a bear do when confronted with a flame fougasse? I fondly remember teaching troops how to bring a hurting time on tanks with molotovs. Hmmm, just how brave are grizzlies?

Okay, real bear story.

In the old days after I left DoF Ak, I went into horse packing north of the Denali Hwy. T'were up NE of the McClaren and just east of the Boulder Creek and about 3 or 4 miles W of Sevenmile Lake. Saw something move in the brush to our SE. Then saw something else. Then another one. Bunches of movement in the brush. Turned out to be a sow griz and three cubs.

So there we was 5 horses, three of us with rifles drawn and off our horses. They circled us, we crossed Boulder Creek (they call it Boulder Creek for a good reason) and fled up a small hill. Horses mostly acting stupid. I'm writing this so you know the outcome.

For those of you looking at the Denali Hwy country, there are beaucoup griz up there in the McClaren area. Had 7 seperate sitings in one day on the West Fork.

Might I suggest 2nd Brigade 82nd Abn Division as an effective bear deterrent. Otherwise, rumor has it that Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys tends to encourage the bears to do the Texas Two Step. If this be so, quit laughing and dee dee mou.

  
DanAK
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overtheedge,
My place is not far from there, 30 miles ? the bears run around chasing the caribou in packs, feeding on the calfs, then hunting season comes and they go from gut pile to gut pile, I have seen 4 full size bears running nose to tail on a distant hillside. (smartly away from me)
I could be packing a 50 cal, a Sherman tank in the yard, etc., the bears have no idea what they are but do hear sounds that are not natural to the environment and steer clear.


  
peluk
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DanAk,what size generator are you running for that kind of fuel economy?That sounds like a good plan for another reason as wel.
I'm toying with keeping up with water seepage into an excavated hole in the tundra.This would involve a sump pump with a float switch.
It could be 110V or 12V
If I could run a generator that economically,maybe it could run a small charger and a sound machine as well.

maybe the generator would provide enough noise alone.

  
RUSTY_HAPPY_CAM
16:47:54 Wed
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I can see a possible problem with using noise as bear repellent. What happens if it doesn't work? Generator, loud music ect. would mask any other noises and you mite end up nose to nose with the varmint without any warning.

  
charlene91
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hay overtheedge in my other life i also was in vietnam and had DRUGED charlie comeing at us and even though we hit them where they should have died they didnot because of the dope we had to break frame bones that and i pissed griz are the same way I have been told that i am too seriours but i am ALIVE bye for now Charlene

  
baub
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peluk,

How about a small, low current 12vdc pump with a photovoltaic cell and storage batty big enuf to last a dark nite ? If it did die occasionally, it might be easier to swap out a dead batty than refuel.

b

  
peluk
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Rusty,the area of application I spoke of is right on the edge of town.Bears are not a problem on that side.I agree,if I were working in a bear rich area and pumps were going,I'd still be looking over my shoulder because noise is not a guarantee.It wasn't a guarantee in the Valdez terminal camp anyway.

This is the advantage in having a dog because you need the extra eye and ears...and nose.

Baub,I don't know what kind of seepage I'd have to contend with yet.It would be easier for me to switch out batteries than buy and hook up a solar setup that may not have the sunlight or oomph to run the pump enough to keep up.I'm right on the road and close to my city power if I decided on batteries and charger.I just don't want to run in power at this point.

  
eklawok
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Aww... just take me with! I have lived my whole life in AK and only ever seen 3 bears in the wild. And if that don't work, I'll just rely upon my dad's old bear gun. A .460 weatherby mag. I only seen him shoot it once, and he had about three folded up towels between it and him. But he has always said to go big or go home. Something tells me with that rifle that he went big AND went home.

  

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