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dredger
04:12:50 Tue
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dredger
05:11:21 Tue
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Sorry about that,.

OPPs , :confused: sorry.

So the talk started around $30,000 for first to put in a road, then two big cranes and a semi /prime mover and float/ trailer to carry the disable excavator away, I think it would have gone higher, and I think that is what they did, hard / fast big time,

However, if i had brought it I would have transported my excavator and caravan , Mobile workshop ect for around $2 , 000, to the flatter level area to which the excavator had fallen, and set up camp,and move my excavator closer, rock drill a 6" out crop of rock blocking a 50 yard natural rock ledge that leads to the Kato, when I got to there with my 20 tonner, I would rock drill the bed rock, and fix / bolt /chain the left track section of the big excavator where it sits on good bedrock,

Here is the plan i worked out on site, and now I used a model toy excavator on some steps to give a better idea, ,
I refer to this pic.



Please note the right track section is sitting on a rock , which seems to hold the tracks on a angle,
Here I have placed a small rock under the model excavator right track,


The model is laying with the bucket / dipper / boom /cab angle as the Kato.

Here is the model,
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And here is the bigger machine,


testing.



  
dredger
05:34:01 Tue
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Next is the arm ,then the cab.


please note the model and the Kato are roughly in the same position,
So, the machine is stable with a heap of chains well pined to bedrock .
I would then timber out between the bed rock and the frame to stop any further damage to the side of the big machine,in here,
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then connect hyd flexible lines to the slew motor of the Kato slew motor from my excavator,
testing,

  
dredger
05:58:21 Tue
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slew motor from my excavator,

Sorry, not to the slew motor of my excavator, it should be the hammer piping on my machine, this would give a strong but slow control of the slew motor on the Kato, I would also pipe into the dipper and boom rams on the Kato. I would remove the rock lump from under the left track, as can be seen , the track is not resting on the rock, i would need course the undercarriage to slew so that both tracks rested on good bed rock and I would pin / chain down the right track there, so it would look like the model here,

then rock drill some small areas for clearance around the front cab section,
At this stage I might have tried using my excavator too actually pull the track base to a vertical position,Please note I would also using the Kato slew motor to force the boom and dipper into the ground to help lift the weight, bring the machine to this position, please note the cab is face down more and the boom /dipper/ bucket have twisted and the bucket is now facing down,
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Not forgetting the tracks are firmly fixed to the bed rock,

  
peluk
17:37:27 Tue
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This is fascinating,Dredger.The demonstration props are superb.
It appears.after you've gotten the tracks verticle, you would expect to
let the excavator settle back with the bucket as a controlling drag...but,carry on.

  
wytruckwrench
18:18:42 Tue
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Interesting way of going about it,is it a insurance retrieve or for the owner? we do a lot of this kind of stuff and it is what keeps our sence of adventure up doing what nobody else will do .
looks pretty fun !! Cool way of demonstrating . how many tons is the kato?

  
dredger
22:23:05 Tue
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Hey Peluk,

Very happy you like it so far, :smile:

Yes mate, once the tracks are just slight over vertical she would start to rip/fall, but i think there would have been some damage to the hose fitting on the bucket and boom area, so my line of thought was to place a stack of 4" x 4" soft timber, say 14' x 14' square by about 4' high, each layer would have a length of 4" x 4" soft wood timber, then a gap, missing 1 length, and just drop the machine straight on to the timber which would explode, and create a stack 1 " high soft wood, flatten it, and absorb the shock, the reason why i would have control of the of the dipper and boom bucket was to be able to at the point where the machine would free fall on to the timber stack shock absorber , just as she fell I would release the fluid in the boom, that would make the boom " LIMP " leaving all the dead weight of the boom dipper and bucket on the ground , ( mostly ) and take that dead weight off the falling machine, as you can see from the pics , Kato could build a strong excavator, and dropping the Kato from vertical onto soft ground probably would not hurt it anyway, provided the boom dipper and bucket weight is on the ground, :smile:.
Hope you enjoy the rest of the story, and thanks you for sharing all these years,

Hey wytruckrench, :welcome: to the forum,

Mate, I hear what ya saying, and I agree great fun aye, I will look forward to you posting your interests ( hopefully with pics :devil:,) soon,
And a short story on the insurance,
My mate, and sometimes employer, had a large property, front of the property had his BIG house, 20 to 30 machines that he wrecks as a buss, always something interesting coming or going, resale ect, and my mates 2 D9 bulldozers in immaculate condition, ( his main source of income ), lots of hills and valleys, the machine was placed at the back of the property ( with no access between front and back of property, except a long detour on main roads, ) to dig out roads for LARGE housing development roads access, Kato fell of cliff, another guy who owned the machine claimed insurance my mate insisted the insurance company do the right and safe thing and curb and gutter a highway on his land to the wreck site, with alot of help form the EPA about polluting his creeks, so now the cost of salvage cost sky rockets, so the insurance company walks away , my mate has a machine for sale, spreads the word at twice /triple the price, ( just business ) not much luck at that price, worked out he thinks of me 15 minutes to late, :confused:.

Hows that, haha, look forward to reading some posts of yours soon, again welcome to the forum, great bunch of guys here,

Back to the salvage, back asap,

  
dredger
23:45:53 Tue
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First , sorry wytruckwrench, it is or was a 65 ton Kato machine, biggest Mitsubishi V12 twin turbo MAMA. you know, it was so well keep, and in good condition I think in the right hands, it will out live me for sure,

I also had the option of floating one of my mates D9 to the salvage site, he also had all the chains and gear needed, he place was just a big toy shop,
Another option was once the machine was in position as shown in last pic, I most probably would have brought my Mobil generator closer to the edge of the cliff , and rented/ borrowed a magnetic drill , to drill a small hole in the top of the counter weight , ( now nearly over vertical ) so that i could vacuum or drain the Ilmenite sands out of the counter balance, Please note most "counter balance weights are not a big steel weight , they are a a thick steel container, containing a heavier sg then steel sand , ( ilmenite )most probably at a guess some 12 -16 tons of weight could be removed, this would mean dropping the excavator from vertical would not be a problem at all, and I was thinking my excavator would be able to pull the big one over with less weight and a bit of luck , ??.

Please note I placed the card board box there to show the high rock cliff that the Kato fell off , and where the camp would have been set up. again here is the big excavator falling onto some sticks leaves i put there to remind me to mention the wood stack,

Once the the big machine is settled i would move the 20 toner up on top of the cliff, to lower down drums of oil /fuel , and the intention would be to get her running, I saw no damage to the boom rams meaning once it was running, ( replace stolen turbo's / broken manifold, and few other things, ) I could lift the boom out of the gully and drive backwards out along the natural ledge, ( almost a natural road ), please note the following pic shows the path and direction which the machine would move,

Here we can see the nateral ledge road,
testing,

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dredger
00:10:05 Wed
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Please also note, driving the out along the ledge backwards places the operator on side of the road where he could see the edge of ledge best, and not fall down the gully again,
about 50 yds along the ledge, stop and slew around placing the arm still low and outstretched, in front of the machine and drive up the small incline to the next level, and camp site,

Where I would spend another five to ten thousand dollars to replace the boom and perhaps dipper and replace most bearing in the idler end of the track frame, ( point of impact ) and also lift off the upper section of the excavator to replace the slew bearings ect on site, if needed after inspection, using my 20 toner.

I think that covers it, hope you liked it , any Q's ,?? , gotta run, lots of fun to have,
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popandsonminers
02:47:20 Wed
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Hey, this is classic Aussie Dredger material for sure! Rock drills, chains, remote hydraulics to power the tipped machine, timbers-- very clever, all of it and thanks for the tour.

Did I miss (from the subject of this thread) that Peluk had an unfortunate experience with a tipped excavator?

YouTube has some whacky, clever and sometimes dangerous videos of excavators in operation. Talk about some clever tricks!

  
peluk
18:49:16 Wed
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No Steve,I just suggested Dredger start a new thread dealing with his proposed salvage plan.It started on the "Kids and Mining" and it would have gotten lost.

I'm just now putting outriggers on the back end of my small hoe so I can detatch from the ATV that pulls it.

  
dredger
02:09:34 Thu
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Hey popandson, thanks for the kind words mate.

Sorry for the info stuff up, I can imagine your alarm, and the big Q's, where did peluk get a 65 ton excavator, hahaha, Has Peluk been secretly hiding and digging with a 65 toner all these years, haha. has Peluk secretly " got all " the gold in Nome and surrounding areas and retired, haha. just joking,

Hey Peluk, mate, I think ya teasing me by not showing any pics of ya new digger, :devil:


  
dredger
03:14:37 Thu
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Ps, I agree YouTube is excellent , and addictive, :smile:

  
hardballer
03:44:34 Thu
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Wouldn't it just be easier to send in G.I Joe and Stretch Armstrong to dothe job?

  
peluk
19:19:25 Thu
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When I finish with the outriggers,I'll post photos Dredger.I think I posted pics of the hoe already in another thread.It works well and it is compact.

  
dredger
23:17:15 Mon
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Sorry peluk, bussy as aye mate. :devil:, I am looking forward to ya pics, " compact aye " ??, :smile:

  
dredger
23:22:05 Mon
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Hey hardballer, yes mate, I tried everyone, even Lidda Dirtbox, Trees, R, Green, and even
I, P, Daily , all were too busy to help,

dredger,:devil:.

  

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