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this is not a joke, bigfoot? ( 06:44:52 WedNov 1 2006 )

well with all the members from different parts of the state I pose the question: Have you seen big foot on the line or when flying to and fron the line? Personally I have seen tracks only but please ask to be serious when posting back,about sightings or tracks whoops or whistles.

  
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Re: this is not a joke, bigfoot? ( 15:10:27 WedNov 1 2006 )

I live in a fairly remote area and converse regularly with people who spend a good deal of there time flying the area and bigfoot hasn't been a hot topic lately. If and when it does my first question will be: How long since you pee'd in the bottle?

  
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Re: this is not a joke, bigfoot? ( 03:25:25 ThuNov 2 2006 )

Okay, here's what I know. Have tramped all over the state for 30 years haven't seen one or any sign of one. In those 30 years I only seen a couple of wild wolverine that wasn't in a trap. I would say there is more wolverine than bigfoots around. The gwitchen athabaskans call it Naa'h Inn the brushman and it has been in their culture for many years. I've talked to several natives at different times who have claimed to have seen one. They were stand up people who I believe thought they saw something. In the early 1900's prospectors out of wrangell claimed to have been harrassed by big hairy people. I've been there and it's big country with alot of arboreal forest. Do I believe in them. Nope, not until I see one with my own eyes. If they live around here in 50 below winters, I'm not messing with them unless they start stealing my fur.



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Re: this is not a joke, bigfoot? ( 07:08:29 ThuNov 2 2006 )

Cute spotter:smile:

Ok, no tracks for me nor have I seen one. That said A person I know very well and trust a great deal, told me this story.

First let me say she is a no nonsense type of person. Not even much of a joker. Very serious and like me believes in black and white, i.e. right and wrong with little to no gray.

That said, about 10 or 11 years ago she was driving between Delta and Tok, but much closer to Tok. There is no doubt in her mind that she watched a very hairy, large person cross the road in front of her. Not real close but plenty close enough to know what she was looking at. Other then her husband I do not think she has told anyone but me and my wife.

I am not saying that ole bigfoot is here. But I assure you there in no doubt in this ladies mind of what she was looking at.

I know without a doubt she is not BS'ing.

So you know this lady does not use drugs and does not even drink.

Right or wrong I have no reason to doubt her.

Wildland, you any place around ToK????????????????????

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PS: I really do not want to see him/them. I just do not have the time to deal with him.:smile:


  
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Re: this is not a joke, bigfoot? ( 08:24:43 ThuNov 2 2006 )

The giant muntjak was never seen or recorded until about twenty years ago in Southeast Asia. We had a conflict over there that many of you would remember and yet, with all the troop movements in the bush they were never photographed or recorded until many years AFTER the war. That being fact all I can say is I would never be surprised to hear of a new species of any type that was discovered in an area as unpopulated as our home. Personally, I have never seen or heard anything that would make me think they existed, but I keep an open mind.



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A seemingly credible report ( 17:28:26 ThuNov 2 2006 )

This is a seemingly very credible report, for what it is worth.

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Report # 6486 (Class B)
Submitted by witness on Friday, June 13, 2003.
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Special Forces team follows bipedal trackway, gets screamed at
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YEAR: 1988

SEASON: Spring

MONTH: March

STATE: Alaska

COUNTY: Barrow County

LOCATION DETAILS: The team was flown by helicopter out of Wainwright A.F. Base in a south-easterly direction for about an hour before being dropped off in the wilderness for an orienteering excercise lasting several days. The location is north of the Brooks Range and south of the region of the National Petroleum Reserve. Technically, the area is in the North Slope Borough of Alaska.

NEAREST TOWN: Not pertinent.

NEAREST ROAD: None

OBSERVED: In March of 1988, I was the Team Commander (Captain in rank) of a Special Forces "A" Team, conducting a Strategic Reconnaisance training mission in Alaska. There were 11 soldiers on the Team with a lot of Special Forces experience between them. We were wearing rucksacks and walking through the deep snow in a wooded area with cross-country skis. As we approached an area where the woods were too thick to go through on the skis, I decided to walk ahead on snow shoes with two other soldiers to check out the way ahead. After walking about 200 meters into the thicker woods, we came across a set of tracks that immediately drew our attention. The tracks were obviously of a two-legged creature walking through the woods on a course perpendicular to our own. Human tracks of any kind are extremely rare in that part of Alaska but these were particulary unique due to the length of the stride and the fact that there was no crushed snow on either the entry or the exit side of the holes.

We stopped to investigate. When each of us took off our snow shoes we sank into the snow to a depth of about 2 feet (above the knee). When we attempted to take a step in the deep snow, we left an area of crushed snow on the entry side of the hole and then crushed the snow again upon taking our foot out of the hole to take the next step. Our feet made a drag mark in the snow as well no matter how hard we tried to extract the foot without touching the surrounding snow. The best any of us could do was a stride between steps of about 1 1/2 feet. The tracks we were looking at had a stride of over 5 feet between steps and left the snow on both entry and exit from the hole totally untouched. After discussing the rational possibilities for a while, I sent one of my men back to bring up the rest of the Team. Between the 11 men on that Team, we had over 150 years of combined Special Forces experience in the woods all over the planet. They also had extensive experience in the tracking of everything with either two or four legs. We all studied the tracks and tried to come up with a reasonable explanation for what we were looking at. Only one explanation seemed to fit everything we saw but it was not a reasonable explanation. Based on our group experience in tracking humans, we made an approximate determination as to the height and weight of the person who had made the tracks based on the stride and depth of indentation in the snow. THe group consensus was a two-legged person about around 9 ft tall and weighing approximately 500 to 600 pounds. That was our best educated guess.

I then made a decision to set the training mission aside for a while and to follow the tracks through the woods. Wearing snow shoes, we followed those tracks for about an hour before we heard it. From somewhere ahead of us (and quite a distance from what we could tell) we heard the most horrific sound any of us has ever heard. Every other sound in the woods went instantly silent and we could almost hear our hearts beating. The only other time any of us has heard that kind of silence in the woods or jungle was in the last seconds before initiating an ambush. It is as though every creature and insect in the woods knows that something is about to die and they go silent out of fear or self-preservation. After hearing the sound (it was a cross between a howl and a roar), my Team Sergeant (the most senior and experienced member of my Team) stopped me and said, "Sir, speaking for both myself and the rest of the Team, we really do not want to know what is at the end of these tracks (expletives deleted)". This was surprising to me in that, through all of their years in Special Forces, these men had never expressed a fear of anything on two or four legs. I understood their consternation and agreed to resume the original mission. There was also a general consensus not to discuss the incident with anyone upon our return. Mind you that we were on a training misson and did not have live ammunition so any eventual confrontation with whoever or whatever made those tracks would not have been without a great deal of danger. Our curiosity to know what it was that made the tracks was overcome by the reality that we would be no match for it and, more importantly, that we really did not want to know what was at the end of those tracks. Tracks in the snow are much easier to deny and ignore than actually seeing what made them. My soldiers, and I, were afraid of what we heard and saw and the soldiers just didn't want to know.

The tracks stayed on the military crest of ridgelines and in low areas as much as possible. The only times the tracks crossed a ridgeline was in a saddle where it would not be seen. The thing which struck us all as odd was that, while the tracks depicted someone far too large to be human, whatever was making the tracks was moving through the woods exactly as one of us would have if we were conducting an escape and evasion. Whatever it was knew the land (as it maneuvered to bypass clearings well before they came into view) and was making a concentrated effort to remain unseen. I still think that the sound we heard was intended to warn us to back off and not follow.

I have thought back on that incident hundreds of times and wondered how it would have turned out if we had proceeded to follow the tracks. There are pros and cons to both sides of the issue. As for me, there are just some things that cannot be denied. Since then, I have had a VERY healthy respect for Sasquatch.

ALSO NOTICED: There was no denying the tracks and what they meant. As for the sound we heard, it was like nothing any of us had experienced in all of our years in the various woods and jungles around the world.

OTHER WITNESSES: 10 Special Forces soldiers other than myself.

OTHER STORIES: No

TIME AND CONDITIONS: Middle afternoon. Clear day, not snowing, temperature around freezing.

ENVIRONMENT: Thickly wooded area, rolling terrain.


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Follow-up investigation report by BFRO Investigator Dr. Wolf H. Fahrenbach:

This extraordinarily concise report is indubitable the northernmost record of any sasquatch observation. An unverified report (Unreachable) stems from Unalakleet, about 5 degrees of latitude (450 miles) to the south.

The footprints were very large and essentially round, presumably from snow adhering to the hair on the sides of the foot. The witness could turn his boot with inflatable "Mickey Mouse" overboots sideways in the footprint.

The witness described and imitated partially the singularly guttural, angry sounding growling scream at a deep pitch.




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Re: A seemingly credible report ( 20:51:36 ThuNov 2 2006 )

Don't know about this "report". I asked some troopies about "A teams" and they said they had never heard of one. Also I question them being "NORTH of the Brooks range" and being in thick trees. I've flown all over that country and never seen any trees North of Atigun Pass....neither East nor West of there. Wonder if this is one of those internet stories like the GIANT Man Eating Grizzly shot on Hinchenbrook Isle...LOL.



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Re: A seemingly credible report ( 22:37:23 ThuNov 2 2006 )

See I was thinking about this and I doubt if we ever see a real sasquash killed and verified. I know i better be darn sure that this thing isnt human before I shoot it. No one is gonna shoot one of these things because it is probably some guy runnning arround in an ape suit. Too human sounding for anyone to shoot one. I guess we will never know. It wouldnt suprise me but at the same time find me an animal that ranges from texas to north of the brooks range. Not too many animals have that large of a range. I am sure someone has all the awnsers but I aint seen one and until I do they will be a rumor.

Think a #9 will work or should I switch to 1/8" snares? haha

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Re: A seemingly credible report ( 00:37:09 FriNov 3 2006 )

Ace..I was thinking about those thick trees as well. Sounds like legend to me.

I don't think there are thick trees where they said they were.

Maybe some thick alders, but I think they would have described them differently if they were alders.

Makes me doubt the credibility of the whole thing, Especially when you throw in the 9 foot tall biped in 2 feet of snow.

If anyone wants to believe in bigfoot that's OK by me. We have enough real animals in the woods to keep me busy.

  
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Re: A seemingly credible report ( 01:47:14 FriNov 3 2006 )

No sign of Sassy up in Kotz. area.

I did see a U.F.O. at Fairbanks in the train tracks area near U.A.F. though. 4 of my buddies and I pulled over and saw what looked like a jet exploding in the air and falling down. Then it turned into three green lights in the positions of an isoceles triangle. It lowered itself down very controllably to the canopy of the spruce trees, and a woman in a station wagon came by and pulled over in front of us and rolled her window down to watch it too.

The 3 green lights then went into the trees where the parked train cars were. We couldn't see them but we could see their glow. I can't remember how long they stayed in there, maybe 20 seconds, and then they came up out of the trees, straight up above the canopy and then as if on a curved path, they took off from zero mph to about a thousand up and over the that hill on the other side of the Parks highway.

I'm the type of guy who never believed anything like that but I've seen it. Along with 5 other folks. I thought about putting an ad in the Daily News Miner to find out who that lady was to chat with her but it's been 14 years.

  
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Re: A seemingly credible report ( 02:32:47 FriNov 3 2006 )

One must ask what a creature that size would eat, especially during the winter. The great apes, which are substantially smaller than a 900 lb. Bigfoot, spend most of their waking hours eating trees and bushes in a lush tropical environment that stays green all year around. One hears of "Yetis" in the Himalayas. I don't believe the bio mass exists that could sustain a creature that big. I have a tough time envisioning a biped grazing moss off of rocks. Even if it did, could it consume enough to sustain a body mass that large in such an extremely harsh environment?
So, the Bigfoot believers counter by saying Bigfoot is a carnivore. If that's the case, does Bigfoot have the speed and dexterity to run down a rabbit? How about a moose?
In his 25 year trapping journal that was published as the book, "Lost Land of the Caribou", Ed Thiereu relates an account of a wolf pack chasing a moose for at least 30 miles. Thiereu had observed the tracks, which were running in the opposite direction he was traveling, as he began running his line one morning. He picked up the tracks near his line cabin and the tracks continued along the trail all the way to his next line cabin which was 30 miles distant. He doesn't know how far the moose/wolves had run before and after he'd seen the tracks.
Could Bigfoot run that far, then subdue and kill the moose?
I'd have to see the evidence before I could believe it.

  
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Re: this is not a joke, bigfoot? ( 20:00:27 FriNov 3 2006 )

I grew-up south of Tok and still have land there and the Natives have amny stories,,the tracks my brother and I saw no doubt where hman like alot bigger and no bear. We actually went and got our Dad because we thought it was somebody setting traps on or near our line. We went back on snow-go and and showed him.He left us on a lake to walk a spur line and followed the tracks 2 hours later he cameback and said it was anybody trapping we were ok thats all he said. I remember those tracks like yesterday. As for the "I havent seen it therefore its not real"(someone else wrote) then how can you believe in God?..Never seen him.That is a faith issue and I dont want start downthat road. I take this very serious and thanks for the responses please keep um coming.

  
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Re: this is not a joke, bigfoot? ( 20:29:38 FriNov 3 2006 )

The area South of Tok is one of the most wide open wild places in Alaska. If there was one or two running around it sure would make sense to be in that location. Dense trees, very little air traffic and hard country to get into. Makes sense to me.



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Re: this is not a joke, bigfoot? ( 23:01:38 FriNov 3 2006 )

Wildland,
My post was not an attempt to dispute your word. I've no reason to believe that you would try to deceive and I believe that you and your family saw what you saw. My post was more to explain my reasons for skepticism, particularly in areas of scant life support for an animal of that mass.
This may surprise you, but I believe the existence of a bigfoot type creature is not beyond the realm of possibility.
I base my belief on this, "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that," ("and also after that" is a reference to the post Flood times), "when the sons of God", ("sons of God" being a reference to fallen angels/demons),"came in unto the daughters of man,(sexual relations),"and they bare children to them, the same", ("the same" being offspring of these unions), "became mighty men which were of old", (ancient times), "men of renown". Genesis 6:4.
Since all human life, as well as the giants, perished during the Flood except Noah and his family, biblical scholars/historians believe that the genetics for birthing giants were carried through the Flood by Noah's wife.
This accounts for the various biblical references to the existence of giants after the Flood, of which Goliath is just one.
Now many, especially these days, think this is a bunch of hogwash. However, there are numerous secular, (non-biblical), accounts of giants.
For example, in 9 A.D., three Roman legions were slaughtered nearly to the last man in a battle against the German celts in the Teutenburg forest just east of the Rhine. Now, the Roman legions were some of the toughest, most professional, baddest arses to have ever fought in the history of warfare. When you figure 10,000-12,000 soldiers per legion, and 3 legions were virtually annihilated, it's not surprising that this was the greatest Roman military debacle in Roman military history. This tells me that the German celts were certainly not battlefield slouches themselves, and also not surprisingly, the Romans never again attempted incursions east of the Rhine. Since the Roman armies had experienced military setbacks, before and after Teutenberg, against other opponents, and they lauched succesful counter offenses after these setbacks, what was it that made them so paranoid of the Celts? A handful of Roman soldiers survived Teutenburg and made their way back to Rome. They related accounts of giants who had fought with the Celts. They told of their enormous size and also of an unearthly, piercing, ear splitting scream that they emitted. This has been described as a "pharyngeal" scream. Pharyngeal being a reference to the throat anatomy that enables such a sound.
This term was coined by a historian/researcher who has spent more than 35 years researching ancient accounts of giants as well as ancient history. He has also found archeological evidence, that has generally been suppressed by the "mainstream" archeological organisations, that also verifies the existence of giants.
He has published a huge and extraordinarily detailed book complete with sources of his data and verification for everything he has written.
www.stevequayle.com is the site add., and btw, his site receives over 90,000,000 hits per year. It's a very interesting site and worth checking out. As a footnote, this site also displys the current spots.

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Re: this is not a joke, bigfoot? ( 00:09:52 SatNov 4 2006 )

I don't want to agree or disagree with anyone. I do want to bring something up though. Throughout the ages ever group of people/race has created stories. Legends and myths are an important part of every culture. We just have to remember that that is what they are, myths, legends, and stories. If they were proved then they would no longer be a myth, legend or story.

I think these stories are an important part of every culture. But until science can prove it I don't believe it. :devil:

  
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Re: this is not a joke, bigfoot? ( 05:34:59 SatNov 4 2006 )

Fisher222,
It's natural to desire some verification/evidence, either scientific or by other means, of phenomena at the edge of understanding. Some don't accept the Creation as evidence of a Creator. Creation either "evolved" or "big banged " or whatever, and that's their choice to believe as they wish.
However, what about other phenomena that exists that can't be explained, or even duplicated by modern scientific methods and/or technology? Yet, the evidence is there for all to plainly see. The Egyptian pyramids come to mind, however we know who, why, when, and can reasonably speculate as to how they stacked tens of thousands of blocks that weighed around 2 1/2 tons each.
But as I mentioned, what about phenomena that can't be explained at all. Working with two and a half ton blocks of cut rock is certainly impressive, but how about blocks of rock that weigh 1,500-2,000 tons, that were cut, moved, lifted, fit precisely together and all the scientific means in the world can't explain who, why, or how it was done, and nobody is even entirely certain as to when. I might add that cutting, moving, lifting and fitting these blocks together are beyond the means of modern tech.
This phenomena can't be explained by conventional scientific know how, yet it's existence is certainly a reality.
Check this out. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_baalbek_1.htm
Sorry for straying so far off topic on a trapping forum. I'll cease and desist after this post unless, in the unlikely event, there are some who wish to explore this topic further.

  
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Re: this is not a joke, bigfoot? ( 19:50:48 SatNov 4 2006 )

well the original question I posted is not trapping related but I was wondering of sightings and stories. Not really myths. The lady who saw what she saw , me seeing the tracks arent myths. I dont want a debate and thouths persay, I was just wondering of acutal accounts and second hand stories of NON-medicated persons. OH by the way peeing in bottle and it being NEGATIVE does not exclude you from being so called wacky.

  
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Re: this is not a joke, bigfoot? ( 18:57:01 SunNov 5 2006 )

Hense my user name being a shortened version of the Athabascan name for the hairyman, I have a huge interest in this subject. Without rambling on forever, there is a lot of info on the net pertaining just to Alaska. A very good book is call Rain Forest Sasquatch by Alaska researcher Robert Alley of the Prince of Whales area. He has a record of numerous sightings on the Island and surrounding areas. Another good read that is a little closer to home is called Shem Pete's Alaska, which is a history book of the Dena'ina and Ahtna people of southcentral. In this book Shem talkes about an encounter with the bushman up the Yetna. Also some accounts around the King mountain area - Matanuska River. One of the hottest spots in the state is the Koyukuk region. I have a good Athabascan friend who claims to have had one come into their fish camp on the Koyukuk when she was a kid. If every culture in Alaska has a name for it, like the Bukwas and Kushtakwa of Southeast, then that only feeds my interest. Biologists think of this animal as being nocturnal, extremely shy, and smart which may account for the lack of everyday sightings, and one that hybernates. Being that we trap in the winter, the chances of seeing tracks is probably slim at best, but you never know. As for me, I keep an open eye every second that I am in the sticks.

  
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Re: this is not a joke, bigfoot? ( 20:36:00 SunJan 21 2007 )

The Arctic Homestead by Norma Cobb mentions a 7' hairy creature/man that was living in their valley, that more than one person seen.



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Re: this is not a joke, bigfoot? ( 01:19:44 TueJan 23 2007 )

thank you for the inpput I was wishing this thread not to go by the wayside..tnx again

  
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Re: this is not a joke, bigfoot? ( 17:58:25 TueJan 23 2007 )

I've been keeping things like that to myself for well over 20 years now. I had experiences with the bigfoot in the past while hunting, and sport fishing... never trapping....at least "not yet". Let me tell you something..."they do exist". I have seen 2 of the creatures, one was tall and thin, the other was tall and MASSIVE.

  
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Re: this is not a joke, bigfoot? ( 20:41:29 TueJan 23 2007 )

"If they live around here in 50 below winters, I'm not messing with them unless they start stealing my fur. "

Maybe you should be targeting their fur! lol

I don't know if they exist or not. I can see that it is feasible. If they do, you can expect that they are quite intelligent. I am an area that is probably about as wild as most anywhere in the lower 48. I've never talked to anyone who has found the remains of a lion. Yet we know they are abundant (thicker 'n flies in some of these areas). An intelligent critter could probably keep itself faily hidden in a wilderness area.

  
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Re: this is not a joke, bigfoot? ( 20:47:08 TueJan 23 2007 )

The Giant Muntjac was thought to be extinct for many years. AFTER the Vietnam war, there were pictures taken of them there and it was confirmed that they did still exist. With all of our troops over there in every concievable location and no pictures proves that animals can be alusive. I know I tried to photo every critter I saw there when I had the chance.



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Re: this is not a joke, bigfoot? ( 23:14:18 TueJan 23 2007 )

THANKS for the continued thoughts are great...and some points brought up are very good....plz continue

  
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Re: this is not a joke, bigfoot? ( 09:07:37 FriJan 26 2007 )

I really didnt think about ittill someone PMd me...If you dont wish to post here for all to see PLEASE PM me and I will give you my email addy to write me there..I promise discretion..I wish to gather accounts for my personal learning,,,I never speak of names just "a person" from and name areas never places.

  
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Re: this is not a joke, bigfoot? ( 23:25:53 FriJan 26 2007 )

I was trapping with a bunch of war vets up the Big Su about 40 years ago. We had a base camp at Ostuffna River. I was running some lines on Big Bones which is kind of due west of Lake Louise. One day I saw something chasing sheep and thought it was a real lanky wolf, it was a long way off. The next day I saw 3 or 4 ape-like animals milling around the area like they was gathering something. It was still a long way off, so I can't say for sure. Never saw them again. Some old indians in Tyone called them Nackhanny when I told them. They said they were usually seen up Tsisi creek behind Watana Mountain. One of the other guys was trapping over there and he didn't see anything. Nobody believed me back then so I don't expect anybody to now. That's some wild country back in there. If there's any Nackhanny's left, they are probably in that country. Those old Indians told me there were wolly mammoths in that area when they were young, which would have been around 1900, which is how it got named Big Bones Mountain.
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Re: this is not a joke, bigfoot? ( 23:32:43 FriJan 26 2007 )

That's pretty funny. The river is called O s h i t n a, but the computer changes it to Ostuffna. You can't cuss on here when your not even trying to!

  
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Re: this is not a joke, bigfoot? ( 23:55:25 FriJan 26 2007 )

at least it should use CRAP..lolthank you for the account..I never treat anything like its a lie...not what Ive seen

  
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Re: this is not a joke, bigfoot? ( 03:01:30 SatJan 27 2007 )

I would like to invite any of you folks that may have had an encounter to visit BFRO.net or bigfootencounters.com and submit a report. Your name does not have to be involved and if you wish, a researcher may contact you for more info. These reporting forms are not there for people to question your truthfullness or mental stability, but are a learning tool. Bigfootencounters.com has a huge amount of info on Alaska stemming all the way back to the 1800's. What is neat is the old newspaper articles from back then. UAF also has a lot of collected stories from the interior a lot of which come from the Koyukuk region. Like many have said, it was all a joke to them until they saw things that they couldn't explain. The sites that I mentioned are very professional and do not get into all of the other "black helicopter" stuff that is out there. One of them even has a great interview with Jane Goodall, the gorilla lady. Makes you wonder>>>

  
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Re: this is not a joke, bigfoot? ( 10:41:48 SatJan 27 2007 )

I did contact BFRO and they didnt seem too interested in my detailed info I sent them,,and then just ignored me,,(which is hard to do)....I wasnt impressed with them too much,but that is me,after a 7 page detailed report of my findings personal accts and others ,,offering proof and witnesses they just blew me offf..I have not seen the other site,,so tnx

  

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