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Cragx
22:55:29 Thu
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New ezine Poll

Okay here a basic poll to guage support for a new ezine, everyone at least vote even if you think its a dumb idea.

Would you help with an new ezine (26 votes)
No - stupid idea1 - 3.85%
No - but its a great idea1 - 3.85%
Yes - I would submit news4 - 15.38%
Yes - I would submit articles10 - 38.46%
Yes - I would submit pictures6 - 23.08%
Yes - I would help out with editorial work2 - 7.69%
Yes - i would help out with design/layout1 - 3.85%
Yes - I would help with hosting and website support1 - 3.85%

  

Cragx
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I selected editorial, as I would say thats were my limited skills would be best utilised, but I would contribute what I could to the cause.

I kept the poll as a 1 vote option as multiple choice would cloud the result.

  
Nick_Kaz
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It's a good idea, but dont think it would be a viable alternative to the current paper solution.

  
Cragx
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Your probably right Nick but it could serve several purposes...

1/ Force Rock to change its way to accomodate new technology and the changing needs and attitudes of the climbing community as a whole.

2/ Provide an easier avenue to support local photograpers and journalists in the climbing community as submissions could be referenced in portfolio's. With much broader and easier contributor guidelines more people could give it a go.

3/ If any advertising generated the funds could be used to pay for submissions to help offset contributors costs or even used as donations for rebolting efforts etc....

4/ Provide a quick central up to date source for the whole climbing community...if the project gets wide community support.

Ther are plenty of negatives too but I wont list them:smile:

  
Nick_Kaz
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agree on them things dude, i have plenty of out of focus, lo res bum shots for you to use.

  
Cragx
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That would be all of your portfolio wouldn't it Nick?

  
Nick_Kaz
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No my brother took 1 so there is an ok photo in there somewhere...

  
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Any suggestions for the name ?

Ringclippers.com
welikebolts.com
rockmagisgay.com

  
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Uboltopia.com is better

i think qurank wound up becasue of the vast amount of time required to put it together each issue

  
Cragx
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Could be right stevo...I was just guessing...wasn't Lee doing it? Maybe someone should just ask him?


  
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ill find out what i can

  
manacubus
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Hey guys

Regarding the qurank ezine - it kicked along nicely for a year or two, but then the content dried up. Plus, it was taking ages to put together each issue (I was doing it by myself) which was eating into valuable climbing time.

Another pitfall was that I was feeling as though I was becoming Baxterised, i.e. when you're the sole editor, what ends up coming out is skewed - there's no getting away from it. That's when I started up the qurank forums so that I could step away from an editing role and put the onus back on the individuals in the QLD climbing community to generate content.

Having an online forum meets the majority of the requirements of a magazine - news, pictures, gossip etc. It falls down in the areas of structure, format, reading in the loo, and perhaps the most important matter -- quality content ends up being lost in cyberspace, rather than being preserved on the written page.

Hard work, hard work, run away run away....

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Cragx
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Or we could just wait for the man himself to login :smile:

Yeah be a huge task no doubt about it, that why alot of people would have to be onboard. the beauty of a PDF style ezine is you can print it out for future read.

Did you ever get any sponsorship Lee?


  
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Yeah that's the other thing - you're doing it all for nothin'. I was working under a zero revenue, zero costs model. I got helped out by the web host (and still do, thanks Immortal) but that's about it. Maybe you guys can devise a better financial model.

My experience has been that frequently in the climbing world, and in life, there's a lot of talk but not a lot of action. Or if there's action, it's fleeting. Look at Climb magazine. Especially if you're interested in having "a lot of people onboard" you not only have to be able to coordinate that and focus it into something useful, but you have to sustain it (people's and your own enthusiasm and motivation) over the long term. That's the hardest thing to do, IMO.

  
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well if is any indicator the topic has stired up the most interest in on cragX for quite a while.

I would sugest (maybe not imediately) that revenue be generated via adverts and this to be used for dedicated web space and after a time paying for quality contributions and making donations back to the comunity.

If there are any commercial entities out there that would be interested in advertiseing and if so what would you like from the deal.

I am involved in gear retail and would certainly be interested in this sort of format to advetise (if the ezine is done right.) as I beleive it can reach more people than ROCK.

  
Cragx
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The biggest problems I can see are logistics,

You would need several editors and designers to take on the biggest load of collecting the information sent in, that tends to be the driving force behind any publication. If the basic format remains the same (with minor changes to keep the format fresh), after the first couple of issues it wouldn’t be that hard to get the publication out.

The second problem is getting contributors on board, from every area in Australia. Contacting all the clubs, groups around Australia to send in stuff. As Lee stated content dried up in the end for Qurank ezine, and to avoid this we would have tap everybody, from the top guns to the unknown to send stuff in.

Maybe a poll on other forums to see who are interested? who would help out...as with Cragx being probably the smallest forum out there, our membership base probably isn’t going to give us a clear indication of the viability of the ezine proposal.

Also of note we have a membership base of 450+ have currently only 13 votes, apathy like that which oftens kills projects like this.

  
mike_SICG
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I'd be interested in supporting an e-zine, with ads/sponsorship, and a sponsored news section for my gym.

I'm not an expert on the format, but a pdf that can be collected & even printed sounds good. There's prob already enough forums, so a brand new site with forum etc etc may not be needed - promote the e-zine thru existing sites : cragx, Aust Climbers Assoc, SCA etc

Mike/Sydney Indoor

  
Nick_Kaz
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Quote: Cragx at 08:33:45 Fri Feb 3 2006


Also of note we have a membership base of 450+ have currently only 13 votes, apathy like that which oftens kills projects like this.


I have a feeling most of those are one timers and lurkers, I would think there are 20-25 people who post at least once a week... so 13 isn't bad show of hands from this small corner of a large community.

  
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I'm assuming Mr Kyle & co. probably have enough on their plates but linking the e-zine in with the ACA would be one way to give climbers around OZ a voice.

  
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give DOD a voice! he is loud enough already!

  
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Is it me... or has interested already wained on this topic? Of course it could just be the Monday loll.

  
Cragx
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Or tuesday Lol, hatman asked the same questions on Chockstone and Qurank to see level of support. Who was the person who ticked design etc, PM me.

  
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Its a fantastic Idea and one I would definately support!

editorial, I beleive would be my niche!

it should be a joint operation.

cragx, chockerheads, qurank dudes, to get a good spectrum.
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Hi Rod

You were asking about design for an ezine, and I was the stooge with my hand up for that category, because it had nobody in it!

I can be contacted at abramwell@gmail.com or MSN via chattoadam@hotmail.com

cheers
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Cragx
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Dod email me with your ideas

  

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