04:46:12 Thu
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| Re: Space Marines! Excellent! Party! |
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ebiniser 17:52:49 Wed Aug 13 2008 |
Damn some of those changes sound juicy. I guess I will be adding one more unit to my marines after all: Sternguard. |
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Matt_Varnish 20:51:04 Wed Aug 13 2008 |
Honestly, why would they screw over dark angels so horribly compared to what regular marines are going to get? 'But what about blood angels players?' ok, you want veteran assault squads marines? sure np, marines get em too. how bout 6 close combat dreadnoughts? Marines only now, sorry BA players. Tigurius looks to be better than Mephiston. Terrible. Unless they update the DA and BA lists with this release, I think GeeDub has utterly dropped the ball here, balance wise. I'll let the chaos marine players chime in if they want. |
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CRC 21:01:19 Wed Aug 13 2008 |
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GreatHenshini 21:20:14 Wed Aug 13 2008 |
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ebiniser 00:56:24 Thu Aug 14 2008 |
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Matt_Varnish 04:46:12 Thu Aug 14 2008 |
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Orbital101 05:27:16 Thu Aug 14 2008 |
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FallenAngel_864 13:16:11 Thu Aug 14 2008 |
Den, as far as the BA list goes, I have no doubt that the PDF will be updated to follow suit of the new SM codex, as it was for the 5th ed release. I do, however feel for all of the DA players out there.... Maybe not having my beloved codex in "solid print", ain't such a bad thing after all... |
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Dead 20:34:40 Thu Aug 14 2008 |
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Orbital101 20:38:41 Thu Aug 14 2008 |
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Steel_Paladin 01:19:33 Fri Aug 15 2008 |
Agreed. I do hope they have some creative ideas on how to match our beloved Codex up with the new Space Marines list. I don't want to be bent over just because I paint my Marines' armour red and black! |
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manidow 01:35:28 Fri Aug 15 2008 |
hope that holds true!! |
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ebiniser 02:52:05 Fri Aug 15 2008 |
I sincerely hope they do the Legion book(s). |
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FallenAngel_864 15:44:53 Fri Aug 15 2008 |
I'm hoping for a return of "The Black Rage" affecting the whole army in some way, shape or form... |
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Tyranus_Dominus 20:52:22 Fri Aug 15 2008 |
This makes me sad. |
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Joyous_Oblivion 00:15:22 Sat Aug 16 2008 |
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Orbital101 01:14:27 Sat Aug 16 2008 |
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Steel_Paladin 01:38:26 Sat Aug 16 2008 |
That would be a shame - I had just taught my Scouts how to shoot with their sniper rifles rather than bludgeon skulls with them, and my Tactical squad dude with a Lascannon that he can wreak much more havoc using the damn thing as a gun rather than as a fancy mace (and it lasts longer too)! The Black Rage was a major annoyance (as was the random and unpredictable [though fluffy] Death Company rolls) when I first played Blood Angels in 3rd Ed, though I didn't much mind getting the free Furious Charge for every unit in my army. I just want a Redeemer. Because it's a Baal Predator, only bigger. And I wouldn't mind having my Chapter Master be able to beat Marneus Calgar in a friendly fist-fight. And I'd love to get my Assault Squad flamers back. It's just a wishlist. |
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Matt_Varnish 14:41:08 Sat Aug 16 2008 |
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Steel_Paladin 23:09:33 Sat Aug 16 2008 |
That would look absolutely hot (pardon the pun). Do I smell VDR? Or perhaps a Forge World ruleset or homebrew Apocalypse datafax? |
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Matt_Varnish 20:20:04 Fri Aug 22 2008 |
if so, redeemer flamethrowers plus machine spirit plus overcharged engines = lots of dead orks on turn one.
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ebiniser 12:45:19 Tue Aug 26 2008 |
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Soupcat 13:18:56 Tue Aug 26 2008 |
I'd wait and see how the book after this turns out before we say anything. I personally hope they are just finally listening to the community and cutting back on the stream lining. From what I can see the codex creep will suck but that always happens, but the customization could very well just be them finally listening to what we want. I doubt its a fluke that its starting with space marines, but Im hoping we will start seeing an improvement. Orks was awesome, I liked the deamons codex (I should as Im using it ^^), and this is awesome. The only shame is that when the new chaos legions book comes out eventually it will be like the old eldar codex, nobody uses it and instead uses the craftworld book. I thought it was a good read, better then reading about the heresy ... again |
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Hexx 12:11:20 Wed Aug 27 2008 |
If interested, one can read a few hundred DA/BA/BT/SW players complaining about how their armies should get access to everything the new codex will have + all their codex specific special rules here http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159768 Is (of course) still just a rumour btw, no one seems to have concretely heard whether he was referring to just the new units (Sternguard etc) or all the gear. |
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Joyous_Oblivion 23:48:51 Tue Sep 2 2008 |
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Orbital101 23:58:25 Tue Sep 2 2008 |
Sorry, I'm a bit Forrest Gumpy when it comes to stuff like this. Can you explain what this means? (Phil Kelly eats poop) |
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Hexx 00:49:40 Wed Sep 3 2008 |
So a Stormshield from the new Marine codex will have different rules than a Stormshield from any other codex. Thing is, afaik, there has been no official GW word on this. Just what Kelly said at LA. And given that he's been wrong before in what he says publicly I don't know why so many people are crying. Other than the fact that many of them want all the toys from the new codex as well as everything unique that they get in there own dexs. |
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Steel_Paladin 01:01:45 Wed Sep 3 2008 |
**EDITED BY AUTHOR TO OBEY SCHWARZENEGGER AND "STOP WHINING"** In short, I don't really look favourably upon being bent over and violated as though I actually invited and enjoyed the lurid attentions of Slaanesh. |
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Matt_Varnish 14:57:59 Fri Sep 5 2008 |
One of the rationales behind NOT faqing things is to keep things simple for newer players.. well how is having different values for the exact same thing not confusing? ANd also, someone stated somewhere that is it REALLY a big imposition on someone to carry an extra printed of FAQ along with their rulebook, figure case, models, dice and tape? I mean, its an extra piece of paper. People made out just fine when there was chapter approved article army lists in WD. And its not like I play one of the affected chapters either, Im getting all these advantages, and I wish now I had flipped Heads when i decided whether to paint my marines crimson fists, or gloss black for dark angels. |
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Hexx 21:06:44 Fri Sep 5 2008 |
Some terminators are fearless, some aren't. Some Predators can have asscans. Some Predators and Rhinos have "extra special" engines. Some armies Assault Cannons are rending, some aren't. etc etc. It'd be nice if GW would faq everything and keep it consistent, but it's hardly like this is new, nor has any of the past stuff really resulted in this big an outrage. Are the BA still a vilable and competitive army without the new stuff? Yes Are the DA? I'd argue they're less competitive than most of the marine chapters, but still ahead of a number of armies. Also I'm pretty sure no one will mind if you decide to use DA rules for your CF painted chapter. |
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GreatHenshini 21:53:17 Fri Sep 5 2008 |
The baal preadator is a variant, just like a leman russ exterminator. When the Black templars were first introduced, they were the only ones with LR crusaders. This again is a variant to me, it's a blood angels thing. It's a bonus rule that their vehicles get. It's not that they say 'this is how a rhino works.', it's a 'here's an additional rule for your vehicles'. Which armies have non-rending asscans? Space wolves I'm guessing? I'm with Denis on this, this is going to cause more problems than it's worth to just do a simple, short FAQ listing the pices of wargear that now work differently for ALL armies concerned, overruling their codicial(TM) entries. Not to mention disenfranchising at least a couple of Dark Angels players, who, against my better judgement, I will strongly suggest using the SM dex until they get another new dex in 2-3 years. |
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Hexx 23:31:15 Fri Sep 5 2008 |
But the idea that it's going to cause problems is kinda silly- if players can manage to comprehend the concept that this unit is a variant, or this codex's terminators do different things than that codex's terminators I think they'll have a relatively easy time with gear being different across the codex's. Maybe they can consider them "variants" . |
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Dead 14:35:16 Sun Sep 7 2008 |
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Dead 19:22:40 Wed Sep 10 2008 |
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CRC 20:07:39 Wed Sep 10 2008 |
Seriously, if someone posted that vanguard all come with free power weapons, have 3 base attacks, feel no pain, furious charge and litanies of stupid all for say 20 points each, I'd probably believe them. |
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Dead 20:25:03 Wed Sep 10 2008 |
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The_Yaoitzer 22:01:10 Wed Sep 10 2008 |
edit: i just looked at the updated BOLS link and they have LOTD as 3++ save, reroll DS, A:2 |
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GreatHenshini 22:19:04 Wed Sep 10 2008 |
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The_Yaoitzer 22:44:58 Wed Sep 10 2008 |
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Joyous_Oblivion 01:53:13 Thu Sep 11 2008 |
Also the Razorback with Asscans is nice but very, very overpriced. 40pts. for Razorback w/ TL Heavy Bolters, or 75 pts. for TL Asscans. Bayshore has the Codex in store as a customer open copy if any of you have further questions. The one issue i have that even sets me thinking 'what the fu...?' is that Assault Marines are now only TWO points more than tactical marines. Yep heard that right, Assault marines are a whopping 18 points to a tactical marines 16 points. Looks like i keep my 3 Assault Squads after all (going as BA codex as a guide they had went up 30-50 points per squad with same layout) under this new marine codex, My assault squads are actually 30 points cheaper, and have Krak grenades |
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Joyous_Oblivion 01:54:36 Thu Sep 11 2008 |
Long live the horde Marine list. GW made sure we can still (easily) do them. Even my (MLx4) devi squads are down in price. Oh and Chapter Master or Captain on a bike? Hell yes, I'll take a few turbo-boosting scoring units
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Hexx 02:13:24 Thu Sep 11 2008 |
~ Vanguard with JP's overpriced ~ Sternguard probably worth it (though not multiple squads as some people are talking about) ~ SC's are (imo) probably not worth their relatively high cost, except for Casius who I think you'll see alot of. ~ Aux grenade launchers are awesome, kinda wish Sgts could take them ~ That scout speeder has got to have the dumbest ruleset ever |