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Giguerem 14:17:37 Wed Dec 3 2008 Offline 1140 posts
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My main objection to Vista is a philosophical one. The OS is NOT an end in itself. It is not acceptable nor desirable nor excusable that the OS eats up so much of your resources just sitting there.
I use a computer to run programs. The OS is a means to an end. It should have as small a footprint as possible so as to leave as much of the resources as possible to the programs. While it is true that if you have a very powerful machine, Vista will work fine, it still is wasting vast amounts of horsepower on NOTHING. It literally will use up about 3/4 of a GIG of Ram, just idling. There is no excuse for this and it is BAD engineering. Period. I don't care if it looks good, that's irrelevant. Make the programs look good and runs faster. I could care less about the desktop underneath. Sure the OS has to be usable but, please, stop putting so much JUNK in the basic install of what is, in the end, just a facilitator. And, as CRC mentioned, Vista does NOTHING more than XP and requires more horsepower to do it. So, to me, it's a mathematical axiom that if you have ne specific need for Vista, there simply is NO reason to install it.
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Soupcat 18:16:43 Wed Dec 3 2008 Offline 773 posts  Reply |
But under that logic we all should be using win95 or win98.
Vista wasnt designed with current tech in mind, it was designed to take max advantage of hardware released in the future (ie being the first "real" 64 bit OS etc, support for more RAM, etc). It really should have just been a beta for windows 7, as the bleeding edge hardware its designed for wont be common place for a couple of years. Also I rather enjoy the layout once I got used to it and removed all the idiot proofing. |
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Giguerem 18:44:22 Wed Dec 3 2008 Offline 1140 posts
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Not true. There are massive differences between WinXp and any previous MS OS. Stability, security, gaming capability that wasn't there in Win2K etc. None of that is true with Vista. WinXp has been called, by many, the best OS MS has ever made and it is very telling that even MS has backed off pushing Vista. Vista is the Windows Millennium of the NT line. Not to mention that Windows 7 is around the corner, so why bother?
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Matt_Varnish 19:02:00 Wed Dec 3 2008 Offline 2505 posts GM7 - 3rd Place 2005 GT best painted 2006 40k 12th place The Flesh Wash Adept  Reply |
The point will be moot in a few hours when I go check one other store to see if they have XP available. I need to get back online ASAP (well, more for the wife so she can work on her resumes) and so if I cant find any XP, I will be forced to get Vista and live with it. Though I hear that there is an option to buy a downgrade for XP? sounds typically MS to charge me extra for something that should be included.
I'll keep you guys updated Oh, and thanks for all the comments, much appreciated!
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Orbital101 19:21:56 Wed Dec 3 2008 Offline 8698 posts
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I believe that Giguerem is saying there are things XP offers which Win95 could not do... but the same can't be said about Vista's relationship to XP. Whether he's correct or not is another matter, but I just wanted to point that out.
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Matt_Varnish 19:46:53 Wed Dec 3 2008 Offline 2505 posts GM7 - 3rd Place 2005 GT best painted 2006 40k 12th place The Flesh Wash Adept Reply |
The Emperor Protects! Got a copy of XP at the store, an OEM one, so I had to buy a cable to get it haha.
If you see an update here tonite, then its from my home computer and things worked... keep your fingers crossed.
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CRC 19:53:35 Wed Dec 3 2008 Offline 1092 posts
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Windows 95 was a 16/32 bit hybrid, based on MS-DOS.
Windows XP is full 32 bit, based on Windows NT. This is huge. It's why XP is vastly more stable, and why it actually runs many programs faster. edit: Good luck!
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Joyous_Oblivion 21:22:21 Wed Dec 3 2008 Offline 5881 posts
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I have a similar problem...
My old PC, a dell from 6 years ago had XP on it, and I loved it. I bought a new PC lst month with Vista. The old PC still works fine, but not great for newer games (still runs everything, just not perfectly). I want to know if I can install Xp from my Dell disks to my new HP computer? Not sure if the fact that they say Dell means anything or not? |
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Twinlinked 21:30:04 Wed Dec 3 2008 Offline 485 posts Reply |
if the disks you have are "system recovery discs" then you will have a problem because it will likely be looking for the old files to recover them,
if they are true XP install discs you should be good to go except that you will not be able to register the new install online, if the old one has already been online, Usually Dells come with recovery discs.. A. |
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Gub 22:36:05 Wed Dec 3 2008 Unavailable 684 posts Waaaghboss!!  Reply |
XP discs are shiny! If you have one, you'll see it clearly!
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Feor 22:58:52 Wed Dec 3 2008 Offline 368 posts  Reply |
I have had only the most fleeting of contact with Vista myself (and most of those simulated at work so we'd know how to walk people through things over the phone) but most of my friends who have/had Vista have given me this advise if I ever try it:
Vista says "Aero?" you say "Go to hell." ("Go to hell, please." if you're feeling nice) At which point it becomes a slightly supped up version of XP at the cost of all the fancy schmancy visual effects. |
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Joyous_Oblivion 23:54:53 Wed Dec 3 2008 Offline 5881 posts
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The discs I have are very ery shiny, like hologramy all over.
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Twinlinked 00:16:41 Thu Dec 4 2008 Offline 485 posts Reply |
if they say windows XP on them them then they are almost definately XP install CDs
you will need the product key, which shoudl be on the CD sleeve if you have that key then there should be no problem installing it on the new computer, keep in mind that odds are you will not be able to register the new install of XP online, not being able to register means that you will get a message after your install telling you you have 30 days to register your copy.. (this is true for XP Pro, might be slightly different for XP Home) A. |
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CRC 03:22:19 Thu Dec 4 2008 Offline 1092 posts
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Even if you don't have a good XP disk, if you have the key, you can just borrow someone else's disc. The key is the important thing.
Though given this is MS, the key won't be some numbers on the sleeve, it'll be on a very official looking certificate thingy, complete with watermarks, holograms, metal thread and so on. As for the register thing, it's more complicated than that. Each key/licence has a certain number of "hardware modifications" associated with it. If you haven't mucked with your hardware much on the dell box you should just be able to activate it fine on the HP box. If "things have changed too much" you may have to call MS support and convince them that you've stopped using the old dell. Remember, that copy of XP is yours, not the dell's. You can use it on any machine you want (however, only one machine at a time). I don't know what will happen if you do this, then go back to using the dell.
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Joyous_Oblivion 03:47:37 Thu Dec 4 2008 Offline 5881 posts
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I won't be using the dell again ( i think).
I also don't think I have the CD key anymore, much packaging is gone, though i think the CD key is on my dell PC as a sticker somewhere, I remmeber having to quote it to a microsoft rep once over the phone when I wiped my system clean a year after I bought it. EDIT: I am asking these questions here as it pertains to the subject matter, if Den wants, I will gladly start a new thread with my own issues. |
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