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Big_Willie 21:00:17 Wed Dec 3 2008 Offline 688 posts
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Anyone else surprised with what is going on in the House of Commons?
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Joyous_Oblivion 21:03:10 Wed Dec 3 2008 Offline 5881 posts
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Surpised? Yes a bit. Horrified? Hell yes.
A separatist is going to be the 2iC in Canada soon, that scares me. Not to mention the NDPs are going to have some power, another very scary thought. Although I have some hope the COnservatives will pull out some equally sneaky trick to stop them, that or our GuvGen, will say NO to the coalition and force another election. |
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Gub 21:12:55 Wed Dec 3 2008 Unavailable 684 posts Waaaghboss!!  Reply |
Another election? That won't go well. Unless we can get a conservative majority, it will just have negative economic impact.
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Joyous_Oblivion 21:15:03 Wed Dec 3 2008 Offline 5881 posts
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Yup, but I'd rather be out $10 on taxes than have to live through a 4 year Coalition government run by an inept Liberal, we already sat through 13 years of inept Liberal leadership.
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Twinlinked 21:34:39 Wed Dec 3 2008 Offline 485 posts Reply |
AHA,
the likelyhood of a coalition Gvt lasting 4 years is pretty remote.. we would probly be back at the polls in a year this is however our constitution in action..  A. A. |
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Giguerem 22:02:42 Wed Dec 3 2008 Offline 1140 posts
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ok, everybody take a deep breath.
First, we are in this situation BECAUSE the Cons pulled a "sneaky trick" and the opposition called their bluff. So JO, place the blame where it deserves to go. Secondly, there is NOTHING undemocratic about this. The person you voted for, your local MPP, is still going to be there, representing you. You did NOT vote for this gov't, you voted for your local MPP, who just happens to be a member of a club called a political party. Third, the Bloc is NOT 2ic. They will not call the shots, anymore than the Liberals were calling the shots for the last 2 years. The Bloc, by themselves, cannot make the proposed coalition fall. They would need the complicity of the Cons to do it. So quit hyperventilating. What WILL happen, if the coalition forms the gov't, is that the new gov't will have to negotiate with the opposition since they are in a MINORITY. Something that idiot Harper didn't understand and ignored at his peril. He tried to destroy the Liberals by calling elections they weren't ready for and then cutting off their funding. It blew up in his face. Serves him right. NOTHING is more undemocratic than a gov't without an opposition. *** Now before anybody starts climbing the walls, let's go through the possibilities. First, do this government deserve to fall? Yes, they tried to pull a fast one and their habit of declaring EVERYTHING to be a confidence motion is more undemocratic than anything the opposition is doing. They DIDN'T have to make this motion a confidence motion but they did. They have been daring the opposition to vote them down for 2 years now. Well, the opposition called their bluff. Should we go to elections? Why? We just came out of elections. If we did, we'd end up with the same thing. The least we CAN do is try the only other alternative we have. If that DOESN'T work, then, fine, we'll go. However, we should at least TRY to avoid a useless expense if we can. Will the coalition take power? Not necessarily. The GG has no precedent to follow in this and she will need to talk to a truck load of lawyers before she decides either way. Is the coalition a good idea? Hell no, but what choice do we have? 300$M to get the same result? What's the point. Let try this and see. Worse comes to worse, vote them down and THEN go for some elections. At the end of it, this mess is Harper's fault. Period. Had he not taken the GW Bush approach of "my way or the highway", his gov't would still have a chance. As it is, he deserves to get kicked out. As he has sown, so has he reaped. My 0,02$ CDN.
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Big_Willie 22:13:17 Wed Dec 3 2008 Offline 688 posts
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Agreed that we voted for our local MP, however that may have been done thinking "Dion is an idiot, but my local liberal MP is great. I'll vote for him knowing that Dion won't be PM. " Now that has all changed and I bet people would change their vote based on recent developments.
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Giguerem 22:15:12 Wed Dec 3 2008 Offline 1140 posts
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There is a chance of that, I agree, but at 300M$ a shot, I think we should at least TRY to make this parliament work. Don't get me wrong, I fully expect pigs to fly first, but we need to try even if chances are slim for success.
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Joyous_Oblivion 22:21:39 Wed Dec 3 2008 Offline 5881 posts
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I hold that Harper may have done some things wrong but was doing enough right to justify his faults. Same can't be said of this coalition.
I hope it fails spectacularly. And then the whole coalition leadership somehow all diaf...but maybe thats just a bit over the top... |
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Hexx 22:24:41 Wed Dec 3 2008 Offline 388 posts Reply |
Please
What did Harper do? Remove public subsidies to the parties. Great idea- but I admit not the best time to do it when ineptly run finances of the other parties are in such poor shape. Have a mild economic package that really didn't do anything for the country. Well A) We're actually not in a recession- 3rd quarter has growth. Yes. We were the only G8 country to have growth (apparently) but we did it. B) We can't really act on the autosector until the US does. And both motions were withdrawn.. So The government falls because (in the coalition's own words) "The Prime Minister has lost the confidence of the House" - So they'll be replacing him with a man who doesn't even have the confidence of his own party The government falls because they won't have a stimulus package ready until Jan 27th. The Coalition? Oh they have a package (30 billion) no setails, and they won't be able to produce any deatils until.. hey late January, what a surprise. Harper is accused of tricks, Elizabeth May (who couldn't get elected and couldn't get her party a single seat) claims she's already been in talks with Dion for a cabinet post or Senate seat. The Coaltion claimed to have had a "panel of experts" ready to go for talks on the economy. Unfortuantely they forgot to tell (or ask) the members of the panel if they'd be participating. Jack Layton has pretty much abandoned every issue he campaigned on to become a member of the coaltion. (Corporate tax rollbacks? Gone. Afghanistan withdrawl? Gone.) In an incredibly odd way, the only one coming out of this looking remotely honest is Duceppe. |
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Matt_Varnish 22:36:08 Wed Dec 3 2008 Offline 2505 posts GM7 - 3rd Place 2005 GT best painted 2006 40k 12th place The Flesh Wash Adept  Reply |
Anything that gives any sort of power/legitimacy to the Bloc gets my instant hatred.
Therefore, boo-urns to this so-called coalition of election losers. Lets put this in perspective: If Detroit makes it to the Stanley Cup Final, can the Sharks and the Ducks decide to form a super team of their best players, usurp Detroit, and play as Western Champs instead of the RedWings just because they lost? Yeah, didn't f@cking think so. If you want to do the coalition, by all means, but run another election, let the people decide.
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Feor 22:47:46 Wed Dec 3 2008 Offline 368 posts  Reply |
Hmm, several publicly elected representatives getting together and coming to a amiable compromise amongst themselves to do what they feel is best for the country as a whole.
What's the word for that again... Oh right, a democratic government. What Harper's been doing (every bill being a confidence motion) is about the exact opposite of democracy, it's preying on the fact that not enough people in this country know enough about what goes on in the government. So that when he put forth a confidence motion for a new set of food safety laws, and tacked on a clause that said every member of the Liberal and NDP parties had to cluck like a chicken before speaking in question period, but then they can't vote against it, because then he'll just tell tell the public that we're having an election because the liberals and NDP don't like food safety laws. What's the word for that? Not sure, it's either "bully" or "weasel". A coalition is in no way, shape, or form, undemocratic, or, at least, no more undemocratic that the entire concept of a political party. A coalition is just the remainder of parliment deciding to do what Harper should have been doing sicnce he took power, working with the rest of the house to figure out what's best for Canada, not shoving his parties views down the throats of Canadians, whether they support them or not. |
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Mentor 22:51:22 Wed Dec 3 2008 Offline 870 posts  Reply |
I'm cautiously optimistic.
This could be great. Or, it could backfire terribly and open the door to a Conservative majority, which would be terrible, in my opinion. But, it seems decidedly by-the-book and legitimate to me. Whether or not it's effective remains to be seen. Again, I'm cautiously optimistic. All the best, - Mike
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Twinlinked 00:32:05 Thu Dec 4 2008 Offline 485 posts Reply |
I'm not sure if it is open to non students, but i'm sure you could just show up and say you were a student,
might be interesting.. University of Ottawa hosting special forum Dec. 4 “Crisis in Canada: Coalition Government and Beyond” The agreement signed by the Liberal Party of Canada, the New Democratic Party and the Bloc Québécois has provoked unprecedented political turmoil in Canada. In response to questions raised by the crisis, a group of constitutional experts from the University of Ottawa’s Faculty of Law will hold a public forum on Thursday, December 4 from 12 to 1:30 p.m, in room 112 of Tabaret Hall. Professors Adam Dodek, Shalin Sugunasiri, Daphne Gilbert, Charles-Maxime Panaccio, Aaron Freeman and acting dean of the Civil Law Section, Sébastien Grammond, will address the following issues: 1. Who is the governor-general and why do we have one? 2. The governor-general’s big decisions: Proroguing and dissolving Parliament 3. But the voters have spoken: What did the October 2008 election mean? 4. Coalition government: Entering uncharted territory 5. The role of the attorney-general in a coalition government 6. The role of the courts in a political crisis Please join us for this crucial discussion, which will clarify the choices available to the governor-general, the Conservative government and the opposition parties. WHAT: Public Forum: Crisis in Canada: Coalition Government and Beyond WHEN: Thursday, December 4, 2008 from 12 to 1:30 p.m. WHERE: Tabaret Hall, room112 |
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Comrad_pat 01:43:22 Thu Dec 4 2008 Offline 71 posts  Reply |
I study russia in school, and when a political leader starts to resemble russian leaders thats when I know they have to go.
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