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Orbital101 21:49:50 Thu Dec 11 2008 Offline 8698 posts
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I'm really hoping that the next three to ten pages of this thread aren't spent discussing whether or not the striking OC Transpo staff are terrorists.
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Feor 23:23:43 Thu Dec 11 2008 Offline 368 posts  Reply |
This, I actually blame on the Retail corporations, who have actively striven to prevent their staff from unionizing. Most of these places will find "unrelated deficiencies" in employees who agitate towards unionization, and in many cases, where Unions have succeeded in organizing a store, the corporation will simply shut down that store and open a new, non-unionized store a few miles down the road. (Wal-Mart & McDonalds are especially guilty of this) The other problem with organizing retail stores is that alot of such businesses cannot afford for their workers to be unionized. When I was at my Grocery Store job, the boss made about the equivalent of twice what I made. (so, about $16/hr) Not exactly "getting rich on teh back of the workers". One thing that has come up in discussiones with my co-workers: Squinty McGuinty and the Ontario government can't declare OCTranspo an essential service because some of the routes cross over into Quebec, yes? But can they declare that the routes which only run through Ontario are an essential service? |
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Twinlinked 23:31:34 Thu Dec 11 2008 Offline 485 posts Reply |
agreed it might be better to start a new thread for this lol, the first few pages of which would be defining the incredibly broad term of terrorism itself  A. |
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GreatHenshini 23:55:16 Thu Dec 11 2008 Offline 2707 posts
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To the first question, that is correct. Transport Canada would have to do the declaring, if I'm not mistaken. Unlikely, since it's all done by one organization, there's no separation of the drivers who cross the provincial border, there would be no way for one to negotiate different terms than the other. (Edited out the freaky non-nesting of quote tags)
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Gub 01:40:39 Fri Dec 12 2008 Unavailable 684 posts Waaaghboss!!  Reply |
I heard that the striking OC transpo workers are responsible for thousands of dollars of lost revenue, as well as delaying an already slow federal government, and possibly even killing small children.
If that's true in the slightest, someone must hang.
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CRC 02:52:05 Fri Dec 12 2008 Offline 1092 posts
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There's a reason that grocery clerks can't/don't unionize. Unions are based around hard-to-replace, skilled workers. While the company could easily replace some of them, there's a vast wealth of 'common knowledge', that would be lost if the entire workforce left.
There's a lot more skill to factory work than most people think. Sure you can get started easily, but skill takes a long time to develop. It's that skill that the employers should (and often do) value, but that wasn't valued in the early days of unions. We've made vast technological advances in manufacturing that let a single worker be highly productive. We haven't made any real advances in customer service. A modern shop-keeper has no real advantage over the equivalent 2000 years ago.
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Feor 03:25:03 Fri Dec 12 2008 Offline 368 posts Reply |
Actually, on tyhe radio this morning they presented as a fact for all the "glass half full people" of the city, that City Hall is saving something like 3.3 million every week the Union's on strike. |
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Twinlinked 05:46:03 Fri Dec 12 2008 Offline 485 posts Reply |
While that might be true of the origin of unions the single biggest reason that grocery cashiers, fast food workers, and other highly transient jobs arent unionized is mostly due to unions being un able to unionize them because of unionization laws The unionization process is simply not conducive to that type of worker, not the skill or the interest, but the fact that they arn't around long enough The path from initial registration and application, to union certification and regognition by the labour board is quite long - many months. One requirement is that the workforce that applies for regognition be the same throughout the process, a certain percentage, these fields have to many employees coming and goign to allow for certification as a union to occur, Its really quite an interesting phenomenon, which is one reason why young people tend to be under represented n unions. A. |
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GreatHenshini 15:54:56 Fri Dec 12 2008 Offline 2707 posts
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Found an article on the details of the sceduling differences the strike is about. It really doesn't sound so bad, makes you wonder if the drivers reallyare striking about the dismantle if their loophole system, providing this article is accurate.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2008/12/10/ot-081210-scheduling.html
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Twinlinked 17:27:15 Fri Dec 12 2008 Offline 485 posts Reply |
I hate to say it but i think we can do without these busses
not to say that it isn't a huge pain in the ass, but more and more i am hearing stories of people co-operating and adapting i think that given another weak people will have adapted to the situationa nd the city will just wait them out, at least that is what i woudl like to see, i think if striking can happen that it should be able to happen both ways, enjoy your strike pay, strikers, dont think you will be making 100k on that Already uottawa has put on a whole bunch of shuttle busses to pic up students for exmas, i'm sure carleton is doing the same, co-operation abounds A. |
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Feor 17:34:30 Fri Dec 12 2008 Offline 368 posts Reply |
My work's setting up shuttles, the question is is the union going to take any action against that. Elementary and High schools are out in the cold a bit. I saw an interview with someone from one of the school boards on Day 1 of the strike, and he was saying they weren't running extra yellow school busses for students because the Union had threatened to picket the school bus companies.
If everyone starts running shuttle busses will the union act out against that? |
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GreatHenshini 21:48:31 Fri Dec 12 2008 Offline 2707 posts
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The union has stated that they are going to picket the shuttles at the university. That's just low.
For every story you might hear about cooperation, there are dozens of people who can't go to work, or have to take taxis that cost more than their wages. If this continues past xmas, there's going to be a lot of sad children because their parents can't get out to a shopping mall, because how many carpools have you seen organized for that? How many people need the bus to get groceries? And I mean NEED.
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Feor 22:20:41 Fri Dec 12 2008 Offline 368 posts Reply |
Now, I'm not intimately familiar with labour laws (though I'm gonna go look this up after supper), but could the school or the shuttle company have the strikers arrested for tresspassing if they picket the shuttles? I'm sure the union has a legal right to picket their employer, and any public venues they'd care to think about, but at that point, you're picketing something that has nothing to do with your business, your employer, or public property. That's tresspassing, AFAIK...
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GreatHenshini 23:15:36 Fri Dec 12 2008 Offline 2707 posts
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From their point of view, the busses hired by whomever are scabbers crossing the picket to steal their jobs. As a union member, they have a duty to attempt to prevent scabbers from effectively stealing their jobs.
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Feor 23:30:28 Fri Dec 12 2008 Offline 368 posts Reply |
From their point of view, they're wrong. :p
If they take that stance it's their duty to picket every house that carpools while they're on strike. Unless OCTranspo is hieiring the shuttles they'll never make any "scab" argument even flutter, never mind fly. |
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