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    Re: Is it better to know if you have NPD. ( 01:21:20 ThuAug 19 2004 )

    *Sigh* O.k., sounds like you’re all in agreement that I can’t play the role of the PD fairy who can swoop down, wave her magic wand over the heads of the chosen and, Voila!, lift the fog. Thanks to each of you for addressing this. It helps to know from you all that these kinds of things are not so unusual, even if there isn’t much (or anything) an “outsider” can do to change it.

    As I continue reading through the various threads, seeing glimpses of your lives revealed, I am ever more grateful to have found this site. After being exposed to SV’s material a couple years ago, I pretty much gave up hope and settled into “complaisant” mode: enjoy what I could and endure the rest. It is heartening to see a group of folks trying to help yourselves and others even as you endure your own trials by fire. My hope is renewed.

    To Mel: Your frustration is completely understandable. If I had never crossed paths with someone who compelled me to seek a source of understanding deeper than “Dear Abbey” can address, such things would sound totally outrageous. (Well, actually some of it did sound like the more familiar signs of hiding adultery). Even if we can never really accept certain behaviors as ‘okay’ at least now we have a different perspective from which to view them. As Tony so gently reminded us:



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    A person with NPD does not view the world or in specific instance does not view a relationship in the same paradigm that you are describing...
    ...A person with NPD is first and foremost looking out for themselves. They are not there to see how their behavior is effecting others.


    To Mel and Deckhands: Where you touch on resentment against “checking in” and the perfectly logical reasons why we are expected to do so, especially when it’s as easy as taking 10 seconds to dial a phone number...whoa! I suddenly feel my own chain being rattled!

    Most people who know me would likely say I’m fairly easy-going, dependable, responsible, etc. But I have long known there is a little monster living somewhere inside. It sleeps most of the time. When it wakes, it feels like a fire-breathing dragon trying to claw its way out. I agree that it is about control, whether direct or indirect, real or perceived. And, as Deckhands said, the accompanying emotion does not line up with the rational, logical process.

    I have experienced it in a range of situations.

    * Resentment at being pulled over by the policeman for a traffic violation.

    * Obstinance about being made to do something by someone who has not been internalized as a proper authority. Something on the order of, “neener neener neener. You’re not the boss of me and you can’t make me. So there!”:nahnah:

    And the infamous...
    * causing someone needless worry by not bothering to call and reassure them.

    Like Deckhands, I find this last especially inexplicable... particularly as have been a grown-up person (or used to think so) for an incredibly long time. This happened about a year ago, yet I could still recall and describe every step of the process, nearly every thought that went through my head, the sleepless night I spent trying to convince myself it was no big deal, and finally becoming so worked up that I called the injured party in the wee hours of the night to apologize. I still can not imagine what possessed me to put either myself or anyone else through hell over what should have been a simple 30-second phone call. I pray it never happens again.

    Funny part is...when my friend does the not-calling thing (as long as I'm not sitting someplace public waiting for him)...I sometimes sort of understand... Yeah, I know: Neener neener neener.

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    Re: Is it better to know if you have NPD. ( 02:44:20 ThuAug 19 2004 )

    Lainey,

    I think I and many others here feel you on the "having an inner demon" thing. Mine is quite ferocious :wink: He must look something like this....

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    Re: Is it better to know if you have NPD. ( 04:15:45 ThuAug 19 2004 )

    IMHO It is the simple, repeated, easy to have avoided, inconsiderate, behaviors that are the most frustrating to understand. Now, I think my husband gives himself some sort of imaginary award everytime he successfuly gets a rise of any kind out of me and then as soon as he does he retreats.
    The more upset or confused I get the bigger his reward to himself, somehow. Some sort of power trip control thing perhaps. Basically he begs for an emotional response by purposefully upseting me then he retreats to avoid any possible verbal or emotional communication. To him, perhaps he is only defending himself and crying for help. But to me, it is definately a head banging on the wall over and over and over experience. It is like I am doll he can take out and play with when he wants to wind me up and put me away. He seems to just want my attention to be there for him to ignore. The cycle repeats........repeatedly.......over and over and over.:beatingdeadhorse:

      
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    Re: Is it better to know if you have NPD. ( 18:56:36 ThuAug 19 2004 )

    Compartmentalizing perhaps humm, that is interesting.
    This behavior is definately also reserved for just me. To everyone else he seems oh so charming. I find it extremely hard to believe he was not displaying some unusual behaviors as a child. Perhaps he did but no help was available. I don't know but I think about it a lot. I do know he set a really big fire that evidently burned down acres. I have mentioned a few minor odd things to my mother-in-law and the normal comment I get is "I don't choose to beleive that" which to me is just like calling me a liar. And my father in law just walks away when I try to talk to him. Denial perhaps. I stumbled upon one incident of possible molestation at camp. I know I struck a major nerve when I asked him if he had a bad experience. He turned pale as a sheet and was extremely nervous for days. I have never seen such a sudden drain of color in my life but he claims not to remember much and refuses to talk about it. I am "forbidden" from mentioning it again. Since he definately copes by pretending all bad things never happened I think he may have learned this behavior as a result of how this molestation incident was handled. I want to talk to his family so they will be here for him when I am gone but I am not sure that would be a good idea. Besides, they've had 20 years to tell me and have never mentioned anything was amiss is his childhood. He is a grown man over 50 and since he has chosen to ignore it this long I suspect he will continue. However, he is more depressed year after year and as I have learned to use boundries and he gets less and less emotional responses from me he gets more and more depressed. I would help if I could without being his doormat but I am all out of ideas. Any suggestions are appreciated. It soulds like your daughter is doing better, boundries definately help. I did not really appreciate my parents until I had children of my own.
    Once I explained to my husband that he treated his family with no common courtesy and worse than strangers on the street and that just like he would not go out into the street and yell and holler at people for no good reason he could not come in our home and act like that either. Since then I refused to acknowledge anything not spoken in a decent way. This stopped the yelling but he then punished me covertly by destroying some of my things. Don't let your daugher trigger your insecurities and if she does don't let her know it. I have found being very unemotional, and matter of fact, about his bad behavior being unacceptable, has worked best for me to help stop the worst of it.
    Matt- I think your demon is too cute to be ferocious. He sort of looks like the grinch. I'm sure he has a big heart in there too.

      
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