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Tae_Kwon_Dan Offline 2121 posts Legendary Dragon   Reply |
Alright, now that it looks more and more like I need to get ready for my own campaign, I'm trying to get PC races in order. Since this is a one-off adventure and most likely won't turn into a long term campaign, I would like to give some additional options for PC Races besides those in the PHB. For this first post, let's just worry about the non-ECL races.
What I have thus far: Dwarves, Gnomes, Halflings, Half-Elf, Human - standard, but have left the door open for FRCS dwarves, gnomes and halflings as well. Elves - standard + Gray, Wild and Wood. Wild elves: Ability modifiers remained the same and have a favored class of Sorceror. Wood elves: +2 STR, +2 DEX, -2 CON, -2 CHA Favored class of Ranger. Half-Orc - I had my own plans and then I stole Frank's as I liked his better. +2 STR, -2WIS. 60 ft of Darkvision. +2 on saves versus Poison or Disease. +2 Dodge bonus against Dwarves, Elves, and Goblinoids. So that covers the basics and I also want to add as ECL +0 races, but am not sure about how to put together. Hobgoblin - At first, I was thinking that they had too much with not enough minuses, but they really have less than elves. Anything else that needs to be done there? +2 DEX, +2 CON. Darkvision of 60 ft. +4 Racial bonus on Move Silently checks. Favored class: Fighter. Genasi - Same as in the FRCS, I don't think they deserve an ECL +1, but am willing to entertain otherwise. Kobolds - I think they need a little more umph or maybe they're fine as is, but they seem almost like they should get bonus XP or something for being one. -4 STR, +2 DEX. Natural Armor bonus of +1. Small size. Darkvision 60 ft Light Sensitivity +2 Racial Bonus on Craft(Trapmaking), Prof(Mining), and Search Checks Favored Class: Sorceror (thinking maybe Rogue instead) Goblin - I kind of like them as is, but let's make sure I have all of their special abilities correct. -2 STR, +2 DEX, -2 CHA Small size. Darkvision 60 ft +4 Racial bonus on Move Silently Checks +6 Racial bonus to Ride when Riding a Wolf, Warg, or Dog. Mounted Combat Feat when Riding a Wolf, Warg, or Dog. Favored Class: Rogue Planetouched - Same as FRCS or do they need to be ECL +1 races? That should about cover it for now. Let me know what you think.
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FrankTrollman Offline 2398 posts Legendary Dragon Reply |
Remember that Kobolds and Goblins have a 30' move despite being small sized.
I regard being kept away by Protection from Good to be a worse disadvantage than being targettable by Charm Person. I offered the Planetouched Races as ECL +0 races in two games and only one person went for it each time (after I removed the Charisma Penalty from Tiefling to keep it up to the level of Anaxim and Canshin). Both times they really weren't dominating play. -Frank | ||||||
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Thoth_Amon  Offline 2292 posts Legendary Dragon Old Timer  Reply |
I agree. The +0 racial variants offered in Dragon Magazine are more easily min-maxed than the Planetouched. I am not certain about the Gensai... I would have to go back and check.
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Tae_Kwon_Dan Offline 2121 posts Legendary Dragon Reply |
I missed that about Kobold and Goblin movement. Very nice and that makes both of them pretty solid PC races in my opinion.
I doubt anyone will pick the planetouched either, I just don't think they're that cool, but I wanted to at least make them worthwhile if they are picked. TA, Genasi really aren't much more different than the PC races they correspond to. IRC, the Earth Genasi is basically a tall dwarf.
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Thoth_Amon Offline 2292 posts Legendary Dragon Old Timer Reply |
With eyes like gems or onyx or some such. I thought that there was slightly more to it, but my memory has been proved wrong on too many occasions.
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Tae_Kwon_Dan Offline 2121 posts Legendary Dragon Reply |
They do have more, but for the most part nothing more earth shattering than the Planetouched, but I'll double check tonight when I get home.
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FrankTrollman Offline 2398 posts Legendary Dragon Reply |
Genasi are just like the other planetouched except:
1> They don't get a positive stat bonus. 2> They have an additional minor disadvantage if they take the Cleric class. 3> They replace the minor elemental resistances with saving throw bonuses against spells that don't allow saves. Seriously, the Water Genasi gets a save bonus against [Water] spells - which is Summon Monster, Planar Binding, Elemental Swarm, and Gate - none of which give saves so it actually doesn't do anything at all. So a Water Genasi, for example, is: +2 Constitution, -2 Charisma Create Water once per day. Swim speed of 30 (breathes water). +1 to saves against completely ficticious spells for every five character levels. [Extraplanar] - targettable by Banishment and susceptible to MCaG even on home plane. Clerical Focus: If you take the Cleric class you must take a charisma dependent domain (Water), despite your charisma penalty. Favored Class: Fighter. If you can explain to me how that is almost as good as a Dwarf I'll be really impressed. The ability to breathe water is really cool - but it isn't usually as cool as say - free exotic weapon proficiency with the dwarven waraxe, or +2 to all saves or anything. -Frank | ||||
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Tae_Kwon_Dan Offline 2121 posts Legendary Dragon Reply |
Wow, it is significantly worse than I remember. I really thought the Earth Genansi was just a Dwarf with a SLA that could be hedged by MCaA.
Bleh, nobody will play them even at ECL +0, but I'm still offering them.
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Desdan_Mervolam  Offline 4568 posts Disciple of Bahamut   Reply |
My DM ruled that all spells in the Elemental cleric domains are considered to have that elemental subtype as far as the Genasi save bonus is concerned (Making Chain Lightning an [Air] spell, Horrid Wilting a [Water], ect). This helped a little, but my Genasi character still never got to use it. On the whole, I would have prefered Electricity Resistance 5.
-Desdan
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Desdan_Mervolam Offline 4568 posts Disciple of Bahamut Reply |
Here's an idea, how about instead of getting a small, scaling, but meaningless bonus to a small handfull of spells that often don't even require a saving throw, why not give a small but scaling elemenal damage resistance to genasi (Air:Electricity, Earth: Acid, Fire: Fire, Water: cold is I believe the standard elemental spread) of one point of reduction per level. Hey, it sounds good to me, anyway.
-Desdan (Note that the above was a general suggestion and not directly aimed at TKD specifically)
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Tae_Kwon_Dan Offline 2121 posts Legendary Dragon Reply |
Well TKD likes it. I'll even make it a racial bonus so that it can stack with spells that provide resistance bonuses. That might be too strong, but I'll think about it.
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FrankTrollman Offline 2398 posts Legendary Dragon Reply |
Part of the problem, of course, is that there is no "standard elemental spread". There are various rules sources that split it up in different ways, but there isn't a standard to allow us to pick between them.
Essentially, amongst Dragons: Water is Acid Air is also Acid Earth is Electricity and Fire is, of course, Fire Among Elemental Domain Spells: Water is Acid or Cold Air is Electricity Earth inflicts only Physical Damage and Fire is, of course, Fire According to the Elemental Savant from Tome and Blood: Water is Cold Air is Electricity Earth is Acid and Fire is, of course, Fire I have no problem with Genasi getting some energy resistance. But since there is no valid, consistent association between energy types and the elements - I would suggest not attempting to connect the one to the other particularly. -Frank | ||||
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Tae_Kwon_Dan Offline 2121 posts Legendary Dragon Reply |
The problem there too was if I did that it would be flirting with the line of giving them sub-types which means that I then have to figure out an opposed element that deals double damage. I think just taking away the confusing ability and leaving them as an ECL +0 race is pretty effective. (As I doubt anybody is taking one)
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