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LawoftheEribus
04:00:08 Sat
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There is an issue that I read about a while ago and was just recently reminded of it. There was this kid who had parents who were atheist and STRONGLY believed that that praying to God was a total waste of time and bad and stuff and did no want their child to do so. The child however believed that God did exist and that he SHOULD pray to him. Would it be right for the parents to prevent the child from becoming Christian? and don't just say yes because Chrisianity is wrong but instead think of it in a manner of how much a parent should be allowed to control the life of a Child. (Btw the child is still in middle school)

Personally, I think the parents should not be able to keep the child from praying and such.

  
TDbear
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it is a parents duty to raise their children how they see fit. however, in circumstances like that, unless the child is doing it because of outside pressure(peers, peers parents etc), then the parents have no right to force the child to believe, or not to as the case maybe, what they want.

if it outside pressure, then the parents have a duty to explain that what the childs firneds are saying is not always true.

  
Tsukatu
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...reminds me of native americans working in missions...

Let the kid believe whatever stupidity he wants. Parents should not force their child into their line of thinking. Ever.

  
T_J
13:19:52 Tue
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The implication here is that parents can control what their kids believe anyway.

The entire premise of the "problem" is flawed. You couldn't make a child "believe" something like you can make a child go to school. It just doesn't happen like that.

God is with us -- all of us. In the quiet of our hearts a knowledge of God is available to each of us. After all we are the "crown of his creation".

  
twilightstar
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well, a praent should have no right to tell a child what to believe or what not to believe, they can explain to the child why the parent believes what they beive, but if they are going to teach religion, if they feel that they MUST do it, then they should teach them about the pro's and cons of ALL religions ( yes, i know that would be troublesome) that way the chid knows what exactly is out there.

I know here in america teenagers can be forced to perticipate in there parents beliefes...even if that child wants to be something else.



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hardwire
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i am not a parrent and i dont know what pariting choices you like making but i am a christian and all i have to say is what dose the bible teach to love thy nabor as there self to not steal to not kill to not lie even if you dont belive in the almighty father what can it hurt to allow your child to belive it can only reinforce the good morals that he needs in our sosietiy

  
T_J
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The funny part here is that we're talking about "beliefs". Taking a kid to church does not mean they are believing. Teaching a kid about religion does not mean they "believe".

Believing in anything is the only truly personal act we do as humans. No one can control or manipulate what you believe. You can be influenced by others, manipulated by others, but no one can make you believe or disbelieve anything

  
Tsukatu
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Heh.

"Why should I take advice on how to raise my children from someone who had to drown His own?"
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NeverOnTime
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Parents can tell their children what to do. Just ask the thousands of atheist kids who are dragged to church by their parents.

  
LawoftheEribus
03:48:19 Mon
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Quote: hardwire at 06:34:15 Thu Feb 16 2006

i am not a parrent and i dont know what pariting choices you like making but i am a christian and all i have to say is what dose the bible teach to love thy nabor as there self to not steal to not kill to not lie even if you dont belive in the almighty father what can it hurt to allow your child to belive it can only reinforce the good morals that he needs in our sosietiy


I understand what your saying but Christianity also entails that having these things will REWARD you in heavan, so answer me this, is having good morals only for the sake of salvation really being a good person? I feel it better to somehow (as impossible as it may seem) to teach your child to be a good person without expecting any sort of reward, cause honestly they most likely will not get any in this life. Maybe in the next... maybe.

Other thatn this one anomoly (I know its spelt wrong), everyone seems to have the same view. See, we can all get along when it comes down to actual morals.

P.S. This thread seems so much more tranquil and I was actually peaceful when reading it as opposed to being enflamed with rage. Go figure.

  
T_J
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LOTE writes:
I understand what your saying but Christianity also entails that having these things will REWARD you in heavan, so answer me this, is having good morals only for the sake of salvation really being a good person? I feel it better to somehow (as impossible as it may seem) to teach your child to be a good person without expecting any sort of reward, cause honestly they most likely will not get any in this life. Maybe in the next... maybe.

Just a technical correction here. Christianity does not teach that "being good" gets you a REWARD. Christians can take no credit for their entry into heaven. The credit goes 100% to Christ. So no, Christians get no reward for being good.

Having said that, God asks us to live a certain way. It is our RESPONSE to God's goodness that we want to live to be a "good person". Notice I said "want" to. Christians acknowlege (or should acknowledge) that they fail to be good people every day in thought word and deed. That's why we are dependent upon Jesus for not only eternal salvation but for ability to execute on our "good intentions" to live correctly here on earth.

To directly address your question though, no, there is no reason to be "good" here on earth outside of a response to God's request. Being "good" never got anyone ahead on this earth and probably never will.

  
nameless56
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not a parent here, and yes a christian, but thats beside the point. it is wrong for parents to force their kids to believe what they do. i hate it when my parents try to do it to me. Parents can not control what a child thinks, and can only partially control what he/she can do. As long as his/her beliefs do not hurt anyone else physically, then he/she should be free to believe what he or she wishes. Even if the parents were christian and the kid wanted to be buddhist or sum other religion, he/she should be allowed to do so. the parents can however continually explain their position and hope that their son/daughter will change their beliefs, even if that isnt likely. No matter what, no one can force you to believe something, you must come to it of your own free will.



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T_J
21:51:20 Fri
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Quote: nameless56 at 04:18:25 Wed Apr 5 2006

not a parent here, and yes a christian, but thats beside the point. it is wrong for parents to force their kids to believe what they do. something, you must come to it of your own free will.


This issue is not an issue at all. You rightly stated that no one can make you believe anything. So whether or not parents attempt to make you believe their belief system is not a productive use of their time.

However, in my conversations with other Christians it appears SOME think of their church selection as simply a matter of what their parents did. They go to a certain flavor of church for the same reasons they go to the same country club as their parents or vote the same political party as their parents.

I would be curious if anyone has stats on the average church goer, how many had Christian parents and how many did not. My guess is 60-40% Did have Christian parents/ to Didn't.
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