4.5 mm lead shot vs steel bb's
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netstamp
09:23:38 Tue
Aug 9 2011
4.5 mm lead shot vs steel bb's
I haven't seen any new posts regarding lead shot. I bought gamo lead balls and h&n lead balls. Both 4.5 mm and decided to try them out. I have 2 drozd guns. One full auto blackbird and another original drozd not modified.

I found the lead balls to be more accurate than I expected. I did NOT fire the lead balls in anything otther than single shot because of jamming issues I have read could happen...

So for now I will use steel bbs for blasting away but lead balls for acquisition of a tsrget.

The tins of the lead balls are also too expensive vs bbs.

I hope someone can expand on this and comment with experience. And if anyone knows where to buy coated lead shot please share.

brunell505
12:54:10 Tue
Aug 9 2011
Re: 4.5 mm lead shot vs steel bb's
Again, stickies would be lovely in this forum, but you get what you pay for and this is free lol

there is considerable knowledge and feedback on lead shot here in the forum you just have to find it. you can search the forum you will find alot of info I believe at one time some of the users bought shotgun load from some place but had quality control issues.

Its funny you posted this because I was just about to say something about steel accuracy. I would love to have 1 foot groupings at 50 yards hahaha but I get ALOT of spin off after 30 yards. I have done some alignment modifications to my mag and from what I believe I have improved accuracy, but I wanted to see if anyone in here has achieved EXCELLECT accuracy with steel through alignment, with only minimal spin off??
I know I am clearing the mag because on retrived BBs there are no divots or dents from contacting the mag.


at the same time you must remember that steel bbs only carry 5 grains of weight so the velocity drop is going to be very significant/loss of accuracy. Lead is around 8 grains and can take a little bit to the barrel's rifling. Still not sure if the rifling plays a big part in the accuracy however because the ammo is round, but its heavier and will have a straighter trajectory.

if anyone has success with steel shot please post

DUBB
15:47:16 Tue
Aug 9 2011
Re: 4.5 mm lead shot vs steel bb's
Steel bb's CAN'T be accurate, accuracy requires that the shot have a spin imparted on it, like the way a quarterback throws a football. Baseball pitchers do this as well, most pitches naturally have a spin imparted on the ball, to delibartately throw a pitch that does not spin is called a "knuckleball". The Drozd's barrel is rifled, to impart a spin on lead balls, so it's technically a pelletgun, but bb's are made undersize, so that they won't bite into the rifling of a pelletgun, steel bb's on a steel barrel is a bad thing. Steel bb's are just too hard to impart a spin on, they'll trash your rifling if they did. So steel bb's are still doing the smoothbore and ball thing, no matter what you shoot them from.

rkr
16:03:52 Tue
Aug 9 2011
Re: 4.5 mm lead shot vs steel bb's
There is an old post where I did some extensive testing of lead balls. At the end the result was that they are not accurate as pellets are. The best I got was about 20mm groups at 10M using nickel plated lead shots intended for shotgun reloading. This also was the result for my 10M target gun so it's a problem with ammo, not Drozd. Gamo balls were about as accurate as BBs. The velocity using lead balls was about 30 fps lower than BBs.

After a while I started to have roll out problems so I'm back with BBs now. Getting a 30 shot magazine for lead shots might be a good option. That would allow a nice accurate burst to dispatch any vermins should the need arise. Of course fixing a bottle to the magazine would be another story.

camracer
00:13:30 Wed
Aug 10 2011
Re: 4.5 mm lead shot vs steel bb's
Agreed rkr. I would recommend a 30 round clip mag for anyone using lead. Especially the nickel plated #bb shot.(If you can find it). It's the best by far out there if you screen out the over sized/miss shaped stuff. If you do rodent control, there is no mag cycling to scare off the hunted, and 30 rounds full auto (no, actually 15 rounds) usually does the job. The nickel plated lead catches the rifling and seals up the barrel. It's very accurate. It's also louder to shoot because of that seal. I have recovered many of those that I can actually see the rifling grooves on undamaged rounds. ...pretty cool! ---Cam

netstamp
02:54:24 Wed
Aug 10 2011
Re: 4.5 mm lead shot vs steel bb's
Agreed. Exactly what I have used my 30 shot clip for. The H&N balls are a bit less weight than the gamo and better quality. Personally I would enjoy bb's all day with a high cap mag like yours Cam !!

camracer
10:42:54 Wed
Aug 10 2011
Re: 4.5 mm lead shot vs steel bb's
Quote: netstamp at 02:54:24 Wed Aug 10 2011

Agreed. Exactly what I have used my 30 shot clip for. The H&N balls are a bit less weight than the gamo and better quality. Personally I would enjoy bb's all day with a high cap mag like yours Cam !!


If we soon are able to get our hands on more Blackbird mags, I will show everyone how to build their own High cap mag, like mine, without most of the headaches I went through!

rkr
13:32:17 Wed
Aug 10 2011
Re: 4.5 mm lead shot vs steel bb's
Quote: netstamp at 02:54:24 Wed Aug 10 2011

Agreed. Exactly what I have used my 30 shot clip for. The H&N balls are a bit less weight than the gamo and better quality. Personally I would enjoy bb's all day with a high cap mag like yours Cam !!


What do you use to power the 30 shot clip, co2?

camracer
14:48:45 Wed
Aug 10 2011
Re: 4.5 mm lead shot vs steel bb's
Quote: rkr at 13:32:17 Wed Aug 10 2011

Quote: netstamp at 02:54:24 Wed Aug 10 2011

Agreed. Exactly what I have used my 30 shot clip for. The H&N balls are a bit less weight than the gamo and better quality. Personally I would enjoy bb's all day with a high cap mag like yours Cam !!


What do you use to power the 30 shot clip, co2?


Hi rkr. I use a bulk air adapter JimC sells. Then you can use Bulk CO2 or HPA.
http://www.airgunartisans.com/images/JimC/Drozd%20Bulk%20Fill.JPG
---Cam

rkr
05:28:03 Thu
Aug 11 2011
Re: 4.5 mm lead shot vs steel bb's
Quote: camracer at 14:48:45 Wed Aug 10 2011

Quote: rkr at 13:32:17 Wed Aug 10 2011

Quote: netstamp at 02:54:24 Wed Aug 10 2011

Agreed. Exactly what I have used my 30 shot clip for. The H&N balls are a bit less weight than the gamo and better quality. Personally I would enjoy bb's all day with a high cap mag like yours Cam !!


What do you use to power the 30 shot clip, co2?


Hi rkr. I use a bulk air adapter JimC sells. Then you can use Bulk CO2 or HPA.
http://www.airgunartisans.com/images/JimC/Drozd%20Bulk%20Fill.JPG
---Cam


Not good for my needs unfortunately :sad: I'd like a "grab and go" solution with fixed small tank.

DUBB
14:46:35 Thu
Aug 11 2011
Re: 4.5 mm lead shot vs steel bb's
Quote: rkr at 05:28:03 Thu Aug 11 2011

Quote: camracer at 14:48:45 Wed Aug 10 2011

Quote: rkr at 13:32:17 Wed Aug 10 2011

Quote: netstamp at 02:54:24 Wed Aug 10 2011

Agreed. Exactly what I have used my 30 shot clip for. The H&N balls are a bit less weight than the gamo and better quality. Personally I would enjoy bb's all day with a high cap mag like yours Cam !!


What do you use to power the 30 shot clip, co2?


Hi rkr. I use a bulk air adapter JimC sells. Then you can use Bulk CO2 or HPA.
http://www.airgunartisans.com/images/JimC/Drozd%20Bulk%20Fill.JPG
---Cam


Not good for my needs unfortunately :sad: I'd like a "grab and go" solution with fixed small tank.
I just got one of these, arrived yesterday, in fact, since I have all the rest of the fittings I need to hook it up.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380354877256&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
I also have an elbow fitting on the way. I was thinking that I could run either my 13ci HPA tank, or 9oz Co2 tank attached to the stock with some gorilla tape, for a "grab-n-go" arrangement. But in fairness, this worked great for short bursts with just the 12g Co2. Until it freezes up, anyway. I know that the old style bulk adaptor also had some kind of fitting for the tank, that allowed it to be stuck on the rear of the reciever, like a stock, and I obviously don't have one, but my batteries are relocated inside my BB stock, so it has to stay, and I couldn't use that, anyway. This was pretty nice, it has NPT threads on the side, and the bottom, the bottom one had a plug in it. They are VERY CLEAR that it does NOT come with the foster fitting as shown in the picture, so I was surprised that mine did come with one, maybe they just got too many complaints from fools who can't read. I don't know what the one for the Drozd was like. I did have to crank the plug in the bottom as tight as it would go, and file it down a bit so that it conformed flush to the shape of a real 12g bulb, to make it fit in the mag, and I had to remove some plastic from the mag, and a semi circle notch in my handle to accomidate this, but in all it was going in 15 minutes.

rkr
17:19:25 Thu
Aug 11 2011
Re: 4.5 mm lead shot vs steel bb's
There's also a 9cu hpa tank if you want it small, I use one in my nightstalker.

DUBB
07:11:07 Fri
Aug 12 2011
Re: 4.5 mm lead shot vs steel bb's
GOOD NEWS: BPI has the nickel plated #BB back in stock!
http://www.ballisticproducts.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP2B
I don't know what the story is on them, but they have it again, at any rate.

camracer
10:46:01 Fri
Aug 12 2011
Re: 4.5 mm lead shot vs steel bb's
Quote: DUBB at 14:46:35 Thu Aug 11 2011

I know that the old style bulk adaptor also had some kind of fitting for the tank, that allowed it to be stuck on the rear of the reciever


From Pyramid Air:http://www.pyramydair.com/p/bulk-drozd-CO2-bb-gun.shtml

SONYtec
02:15:50 Sat
Aug 13 2011
Re: 4.5 mm lead shot vs steel bb's
Quote: camracer at 10:46:01 Fri Aug 12 2011

Quote: DUBB at 14:46:35 Thu Aug 11 2011

I know that the old style bulk adaptor also had some kind of fitting for the tank, that allowed it to be stuck on the rear of the reciever


From Pyramid Air:http://www.pyramydair.com/p/bulk-drozd-CO2-bb-gun.shtml


You will not get a good site picture with the stock sites if you use a large tank with that setup.

rkr
09:13:33 Sat
Aug 13 2011
Re: 4.5 mm lead shot vs steel bb's
I don't think anyone here uses stock sights :smile: Anyway, you can get the adapter for 50$ http://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/Air_Venturi_IZH_Drozd_Bulk_Fill_Adapter/1180

SONYtec
23:19:00 Sat
Aug 13 2011
Re: 4.5 mm lead shot vs steel bb's
Quote: rkr at 09:13:33 Sat Aug 13 2011

I don't think anyone here uses stock sights :smile: Anyway, you can get the adapter for 50$ http://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/Air_Venturi_IZH_Drozd_Bulk_Fill_Adapter/1180


I have the one they used to make before that version.

netstamp
03:01:35 Sun
Aug 14 2011
Re: 4.5 mm lead shot vs steel bb's
So the H&N and gamo works fine. Once i filter thru this new batch I will post on it,



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