Optics! Holographic Inquiries.
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olpistolpacker
18:46:10 Sat
Jun 17 2006
Optics! Holographic Inquiries.
Help a modifying maniac out here, guys. I amassed an arsenal of five Drozds with one just sitting all by its little lonesome in a box waiting for an Extreme Makeover. I'm contemplating optics for it.

I know small rifle scopes, etc. I know red dots and red/green dots of varying mm sizes. I know lasers of many types.

What I know nothing about is the open holographic type sights. I've seen them, fondled them, switched them on and off and through various reticles. What I'd appreciate here from you guys that have them mounted on your guns is a bit of a dissertation on how you like them. What lengths do you have? How is the target acquisition speed, brightness on a sunny day, favorite reticle format, etc. Give thoughts to fill an empty brain on the subject. I would deeply appreciate it and even pray for your batteries to stay charged a bit longer than normal.

What price ranges and brands are good? Post pic's too.

dbeta
19:20:26 Sat
Jun 17 2006
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OPP, I've got an Eosight mounted on a Ruger PC .40 carbine
which I use at night around here for coyotes and personal
protection, as I'm in the boonies about 3 miles from the
Mex. border. It'll place a five shot group in about 4" at a hundred
yards consistantly, which isn't bad for a pistol round in a short barrel. Brightness of the dot adjusts to work in broad daylight to full darkness and runs on N cells. These sights areactually holographic and do give the illusion of a dot projected out in front of the gun...target acquisition is quite fast. They're also expensive. Bushnell sells the identical sight under their name without the metal shroud. These go for about $250, and the Eo's are about $375+. If you have the $$$ no reason it wouln't work just fine. They do however sit rather high on the gun, as the battery compartment and electronics are housed beneath the optics. I don't find it a problem as it keeps your head up. Wherever your dot is is where the round goes...IOW the dot isn't necessarily centered in the glass nor does your eye need to be aligned to the sight...if you see the dot anywhere in the front of you..you've got a shot, unlike other dot sights. BTW, I've been looking at the ATN Compact Digital
dot sight...for one of my Drozd'z.


olpistolpacker
19:22:28 Sat
Jun 17 2006
Re: Optics! Holographic Inquiries.
Thanks dbeta. Great info. That's what I'm looking for.

Now, since I'm looking for something that won't shoot a hundred yards and probably would be happy getting a 4" group at 25 feet do you think a less expensive rig might work on a Drozd for our type of spray shooting?

Here is a cheapie from Hong Kong with no real brand name. It is about $37.00 including shipping. I've had good luck with other cheap Chinese products. What say you out there? Anybody else?

Helllloooooooo. When you get through mowing the lawn or finished with your downtown tour of Two Guns, Arizona, give a post, will ya?



dbeta
19:26:13 Sat
Jun 17 2006
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Also should mention that I'm fairly certain that these two companies
make the only 'true' holographic sights available.

The_Cannon
20:41:46 Sat
Jun 17 2006
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OPP

That sight in the picture is the exact one I have I believe. I got it on Ebay from Hong Kong for about $37. I really like it. It fits perfectly on the Drozd rail, its accuracy is well within the limits of what the gun can do, and it is bright enough for broad daylight.

I like the simple crosshair reticle the best. I usually aim with both eyes open. I also like that the batteries are cheap and common, because once in a while I leave the sight powered up overnight....whoops.

I have not owned the more expensive variety so maybe I don't know what I am missing, but I did compare mine with some $50 to $100 sights at a gun store and liked mine better (mostly because of the big window, no knobs on top, etc....)

Anyway it probably sounds like I own stock in the company or something, but I really do like the sight, and at that price anyone with a Drozd should think about it.

C.

olpistolpacker
23:10:04 Sat
Jun 17 2006
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Thanks to you, too, Cannon. That's encouraging for my BB gun budget...only a few more aluminum cans to pick up and I can afford one of those. I can even get 2 cents per pound for used BB's.

But, dbeta, help us out here, what is a true holographic sight? My ignorant understanding was that they projected a dot onto the screen in the same way the red dot type sights do.

Now that you mention it, I've seen covers for the expensive rigs that cover everything but the screen so how do they work as opposed to the one pictured below?

Anybody?

dbeta
00:32:38 Sun
Jun 18 2006
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OPP

Most 'red dot' sights are simply an illuminated dot on an
optical plane within the sight. You still pretty much have to look
through the sight plane to see the dot centered..and your eye
must either be focused on the sight plane (dot), or the
target. They do work well, but they are different from a
hologram. In a true holographic sight, the dot appears to
be projected on the same plane as the target, so both eyes are
focused on the target and the dot looks as if it's also way out
in front of the gun...at the target as opposed to on the gun.
They work the same way the sights in the "HUD" in a fighter plane
do. The pilot is seeing his targeting data out in front the plane
and not on the instrument panel. Think of it as kind of a "3D"
sight. They are very, very good sights...but pricey. I've seen em
on ebay for $180 or so. Probably overkill for a bbgun.

I'm going to try mine on the Drozd as soon as I get a longer barrel
and see how it works.

BTW, I also found a couple of new sights from Pentax that
will probably out perform the Chinese models for about the
same price. Check www.riflescopes.com Look for the Pentax
HS10.....$49.95....but very good quality from a good company.

dbeta
00:38:40 Sun
Jun 18 2006
Re: Optics! Holographic Inquiries.
Should add that once you've tried a holographic sight,
especially if you wear glasses....you'll never go back to
anything else!!

olpistolpacker
02:07:03 Sun
Jun 18 2006
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You guys are GREAT! Love the reservoir of information held within this group.

dbeta
02:47:45 Sun
Jun 18 2006
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OPP

Duh. Forgot to add that the true Holographic sights
utilize a real 'laser' internally to generate the 3d spatial
image of the projected 'dot'. Other sights simply use a light source
and fiber optics to illuminate a small piece of
ground glass. So, a 'Holographic' sight is also necessarily
a 'laser' sight and they are so marked. The laser however is
not what is projected...only the percieved image...the laser is
what creates the 3d hologram. From the
target, there is no 'red dot'... if you look at the gun from
the barrel end you won't see a thing.

swedishdwarf
01:19:26 Thu
Jun 22 2006
Re: Optics! Holographic Inquiries.
For those of you wondering about red dot sights, cheaper than dirt has one on sale for $24 that comes with a free 80 lb. crossbow.

vstk57
13:33:22 Mon
Jun 26 2006
Holographic Scopes have problems+2 good mounting ideas

These are excellent sights and I wont use any other on a Drozd. I have 3 of them now.
This is the theory as to how they work:

The shooter acquires the target object through a relatively large viewing screen. The screen is comprised of a partially reflective dielectric type mirror that allows the transmission of light images towards the eye (target image). Built into the rear body of the sight is a red laser diode and 4 small switch-selectable transmission holograms.
The laser projects the selected hologram on to the back of the viewing screen's mirrored surface
This specially coated surface will not let the red laser's specific frequency/wavelength to pass through the mirror,but instead reflects it's crisp image back to the shooter's eye.
That's why the reticle pattern is not projected beyond, nor seen from the front optic.
Only the shooter sees the combined images of both the reticle-hologram and target object in the screen.

There are currently 2 versions of this sight,each with its own group of 4 reticles. One of the models displays only a dot,but the dot selectable between 4 different sizes.

I have illustrated a couple of ways to mount them very neatly. You can get a BKL ultralow-profile weaver to dovetail adapter that lifts the sight less than 1/8th off the frame, while perfectly clearing the back sight. Looks like it was made for the Drozd : ))
The other,should you want the sight a little higher,is to add a small tri-rail which is dove tail on the bottom and converts to weaver on the top. Both sides are all dove-tailed as well


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vstk57
14:28:06 Mon
Jun 26 2006
Holographic Inquiries- 2 mounting ideas for these scopes


olpistolpacker
20:09:02 Mon
Jun 26 2006
Re: Optics! Holographic Inquiries.
Goody goody goody! Thanks, VSTK57. That is EXACTLY the one I ordered. You made me feel all warm and fuzzy since I've just had my fingers crossed since I sent off to Hong Kong for it.

Great info. 'Preciate it bunches.

Gonna put your pic's in the Resource CD under "Optics" unless you object.

swedishdwarf
22:49:36 Mon
Jun 26 2006
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How about a link?

zore
23:33:07 Mon
Jun 26 2006
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Sweet... i must get one of these now...

Blurted
03:31:13 Tue
Jun 27 2006
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Just type in holographic in ebay under airsoft. Just picked one up for 38.99 includes shipping insurance.

vstk57
11:58:34 Tue
Jun 27 2006
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Hello OPP,
Sure, please use the photos.
If you plan on raising the scopes position,there is a special dove-tail to Weaver adapter that works perfectly and leaves absolutely no gap whatsoever between the receivers top and the adapter's bottom.

Do a search on eBay by entering this Item number: 7234885814.
It shows what the tri-rail looks like, and you can contact the seller and buy them new from their store for 20 dollars.

The Holo sights are extremely well made and finished,almost like an expensive all metal camera, and I just cant figure out how they are made so inexpensively(China no doubt).

Its the latest technology,looks beautiful on the gun (as it perfectly matches the finish), its priced very well,
And it works just as advertized: ).

They come in a matte chrome finish too !
Cant beat that!

The photo shows how the various adapters work,especialy the tri-rail.



swedishdwarf
21:37:12 Mon
Jul 10 2006
Re: Optics! Holographic Inquiries.
I just got one of these in the mail and it didn't come with a battery. Do you guys have a number for the correct battery?

olpistolpacker
22:24:10 Mon
Jul 10 2006
Re: Optics! Holographic Inquiries.
It is a lithium 2032 or compatible, I believe...but be sure to look under the folded flap of the box it came in to make certain it isn't tucked away up there. I thought mine was batteryless as well and after an Easter egg hunt I was rewarded with power. Love the little thing.

swedishdwarf
00:36:26 Tue
Jul 11 2006
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Thanks OPP, I would've thrown it away and never known.

jkdrozd
04:56:20 Tue
Jul 11 2006
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could one of you kindly gents w/holographics to provide said link to acquire the one as pictured that OPP and vstk57 have and are enjoying... that site rocks!! ussually i'm blind when i ask for info so i bet it's in this thread and i din't see it maybe...
thx, jimk


jkdrozd
05:30:26 Tue
Jul 11 2006
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found it on ebay i think this is the same one??


Blurted
17:43:08 Tue
Jul 11 2006
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Picked mine up off ebay. Came in last week. Waiting on the dovetail to weaver adapter to come in so I can mount it. The quality is incredible for the price. Even comes with a nice rubber optic cover and lens cloth. Here is the link to the one I have. http://cgi.ebay.com/ELECTRO-Holographic-4-TYPE-Multi-Reticle-Red-Dot-Sight_W0QQitemZ290004923993QQihZ019QQcategoryZ66827QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

jkdrozd
23:03:42 Tue
Jul 11 2006
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thx blurted,
that one looks nice, plus has a couple extras like the lense cover that's useful to have...thx for the link you provided,
oh quick question for ya, you're not able to use the mounting set-up that comes with it??? is it because the mount is too wide for the drozd rail??
ltr,
jimk

Blurted
03:33:32 Wed
Jul 12 2006
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Yup, the site is a weaver mount. Here is a pic of it attatched. The adapter came in today.



jkdrozd
04:11:47 Wed
Jul 12 2006
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wow, you must be happy, that is one sweet setup you put together there Blurted, the front vertical grip looks like a folder too huh? nice i like that, nice clean lines to it
jk

Blurted
04:23:27 Wed
Jul 12 2006
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Thanks man. Yea, the front grip is a folder. JimC's barrel gives the Drozd alot more punch.

radical
02:12:57 Thu
Jul 13 2006
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I second that punch!:smash:

vstk57
13:39:39 Sat
Jul 15 2006
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I am thrilled to hear that other Drozd owners have purchased the holographic sight and are as impressed with the build quality and optical effect as I was.
These sights are equal in image quality to the 400 dollar Eotech version used by military and law-enforcement. They are not as rugged ,due to their largely alloy construction and open optical arrangement ,but the optical effect and image are identical.
You can use the CR-16 batteries(2 required) or a single CR-32 (preferred), but be careful to make a note of turning the intensity knob back to zero when putting the gun away.I have gone through a number of batteries because I forgot to turn the sight off. The laser diode in these sights draw a fair amount of current and will drain the battery very quickly. Other than that, they are an unbeatable deal for under 50 dollars and are a good match for the Drozd's range,accuracy and mode of fire.



zore
18:25:33 Sat
Jul 15 2006
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I thrid that punch!

Drozd_Newboy
15:19:40 Tue
Aug 1 2006
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I got my holo sight from e-bay after seeing this and for something so cheap, it really is the business!!!

I had to get the adaptor rail for it but that didn't cost much either (ebay again).

Took me all of 60 seconds to get it setup perfectly too!!

Thanks for the info about these holo sights, I was going to get a red dot or illuminted reticle sight but this is so much better and easier to use - not to mention the lot cost me less than £40 including shipping.

Drozd NewBoy

Blurted
16:41:22 Tue
Aug 1 2006
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Welcome aboard. Very easy to acquire site picture. The build quality is incredible for the price.

Drozd_Newboy
20:55:53 Tue
Aug 1 2006
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I agree, they are made from top quality alloy - but the dodgy, ground in, UP and R arrow signs show it up a bit.

But who cares, it works excellently and looks the part.

DN

swedishdwarf
23:45:01 Wed
Aug 2 2006
Re: Optics! Holographic Inquiries.
I ordered an adapted from sunclear trading on ebay. They appear to be the only seller that has dovetail to weaver adapters.

Has anyone else had problems with shipping?

Blurted
12:16:03 Thu
Aug 3 2006
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I ordered mine from them. No problem. Took eight days from Hong Kong.

Drozd_Newboy
16:13:45 Thu
Aug 3 2006
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I didn't have a problem and it fits fine.

DN

swedishdwarf
22:57:44 Thu
Aug 3 2006
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Mine's three weeks late. He recommended I "call the post office and inquire":lol:

jkdrozd
03:23:24 Sat
Aug 5 2006
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hang in there swedishdwarf,
as i bought on ebay and eventually had received a refund as somethiung happened to the packaging during shipping and was undeliverable, lost the shipping, but got the bulk of it back
hope you get your order as its frustrating after awhile
jimk

swedishdwarf
21:06:21 Wed
Aug 9 2006
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It showed up today. Must have got caught up in customs because it took 30 days to get from Shanghai to here.

biscuitbarrel
23:30:53 Wed
Aug 9 2006
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Are the reticles pretty visible in bright daylight?

Blurted
11:43:45 Thu
Aug 10 2006
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Yes they are. No problem seeing the reticles during daylight. Seven brightness settings help.

biscuitbarrel
19:45:15 Thu
Aug 10 2006
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Quote: swedishdwarf at 21:06:21 Wed Aug 9 2006

It showed up today. Must have got caught up in customs because it took 30 days to get from Shanghai to here.

Maybe the dept of homeland security was doing a background check on you. You might be flagged as "possible terrorist" for "importing weapon components".

biscuitbarrel
00:53:14 Mon
Aug 28 2006
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I got one of the holographic sights you guys listed below on eBay. Having never used a red dot sight it takes some getting used to! One question: when I initially mounted it and turned it on, the reticle seemed out of focus. For example when I use the "cross" reticle I can see the cross and two ghost images of it. Is this normal? In full sunlight, and when I focus my eyes on a distant target, the effect isn't nearly as bad and it is shootable, but not as "crisp" as I'd like it to be.

vstk57
09:40:32 Mon
Aug 28 2006
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I noticed that a bit as well,and it even holds true with the Eotech and Bushnell series at 10 times the price.
Remember these sights have absolutely no optical correction or adjustment as do most typical scopes.You are required to use the other weaker eye to focus on the target image outside of the scope. Between the 2 images, both your eyes can have a little difficulty focusing on both something almost infinite and something bright within a few or more inches from your eye.
I don't think any of the more expensive reflex sights will allow the user to change the optical characteristics of the hologram projection lenses, and how they are focused on the viewing screen.

What I tend to do is just use either the small round dot or the central dot in the larger ring. The other reticles tend to more easily blur straight lines rather than they so round ones

NOW, if your eyes are almost perfect and you have no vision problems, what could be happening is a side effect of the technology and operation of the scope's optics.

The gold-like coating on the main acquisition screen is a dielectric(meaning "layered") mirror,much like the ones used in some lasers. It is not just one single totally reflective coating on the surface,or you wouldn't be able to see through it at all.
Instead,it is comprised of many multiple layers of semi-reflective coatings,each partially coated like a 2-way mirror, and good for 20 percent reflectance(the hologram to the eye)and 80 percent transmission( the target to the eye). This ratio varies with the number of total coatings and purpose,but there can be 50 or more micro-meter coatings like this on every mirror.

The spacing between each layer/coating is a critical distance; that spacing being a single wavelength in distance of the particular frequency that was used to created the holograms) This ensures that the Hologram(and its specific frequency) will be reflected from the screen and back to the shooter while the target image comprised of all other colours will pass through. If you want to try an interesting experiment,look at something red through the mirror. Anything read will go black because the mirror is reflecting red and not letting it pass to your eyes.

What I suspect is that you are getting a second weaker reflection coming off one of the lower level coatings on/under the mirror/screen's surface,and because it may be only a wavelength or half-wavelength,depending on its manufacturer, you probably are getting 2 reflections off the same multi-coated mirror. The Reticle reflection off the top surface and a second one 670 nanometers below the surface off the second coating, which would appear weaker as its under more coatings and might have a lower reflectance/transmission ratio...
What you might try is turning the image brightness as low as you can use and leave it at that.
That will help your eyes focus with less eye-strain and make you a better shooter ; )
Compared with all that's on the market for 'Pro-Sumer' sights and scopes, I haven't seen another
type of sight so well suited to the Drozd..
Vstk 57


jkdrozd
17:26:51 Mon
Aug 28 2006
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interesting post & info you provided on the optics, amazing with how stuff works, plus like you said with the optics costing many times more, but still having the similiar issues , i want to get one for my drozd too, just haven't been able to as of yet, though when i shoot mine despite its 18 inch barrel it still throws the bb's like golf ball shots, i can't see these guns shooting tight groups from too far away, with mine and shooting quick single shots i would be doing good to keep them in a 3 inch grp @ 25 yards, i can see the bb's slicing & hooking like golf balls, a little bit of creative writing here though not up to my standards for serious hunting, a springer or high priced pcp is the trick for that, drozds for plinking


biscuitbarrel
19:44:25 Mon
Aug 28 2006
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Thanks for the technical info. I figured the effect is normal but I just wanted to make sure.

Blurted
21:21:19 Mon
Aug 28 2006
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jkdrozd,

Something is very wrong with your Drozd. If you messed with the trim pot, I would start there. Unless you have a leak somewhere. Even with C02, you should group tighter than you are. The only time I ever saw the bb's coming out of my Drozd was when I was using powerlets. After some rapid fire, the power drop would rear its ugly head and you could see them coming out. With that barrel you should be punching through sheet metal. Just my thoughts on your problem.

jkdrozd
00:52:22 Tue
Aug 29 2006
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hey blurted,
i agree with your diagnosis there with my gun, messing with that adjustment does have a huge impact in a number of ways, including erratic firing, weak batteries will also show the same symptoms, but in my case it has plenty of power as each shot will tear thru both sides of a 1 gal paint can for the fullburst, my problem has to due partially to my magazine being worn and not fitting tight which allow the selonoid to not strike it equally each time and a crummy setup for the aiming, a weak laser & the original open sites so a big part is there
.... but in a nutshell the drozd doesn't fire consistantly like a springer, compared to my other rifle, it just doesn't have that hunter type of accuracy, but it'll shower whatever i want to hit & put a little kid grin on my face every time


Blurted
02:05:13 Tue
Aug 29 2006
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Hey jkdrozd,
I have seen on here somewhere a mod for ill fitting magazines. Radical chime in here please. If I remember right, he had a picture of the way he put in a metal shim to move the head of the magazine toward the barrel bushing. As far as the springer/Drozd comparrison, the two are worlds apart I agree. I don't think any of us bought the Drozd thinking it would be a tack driver. It is just a fun gun to tear things up with and put a smile on your face.

jkdrozd
02:54:26 Tue
Aug 29 2006
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blurted,
right you are, i am familiar w/radical's mag posting picand solution, just never messed with mine as yet, \and yep, the drozds are a blast to blast stuff up with for sure
jimk

r2d2_guy
04:33:25 Tue
Aug 29 2006
Re: Optics! Holographic Inquiries.
Go here:
http://stores.ebay.com/eHobby-Asia-Airsoft-Supplier

Then search the store for "holographic".

Mike Senna



r2d2_guy
04:36:46 Tue
Aug 29 2006
Re: Optics! Holographic Inquiries.
Go here:
http://stores.ebay.com/eHobby-Asia-Airsoft-Supplier

Then search the store for "holographic".

Mike Senna


evlweebl
10:13:34 Tue
Aug 29 2006
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One thing I noticed about the seal in front of the mag (barrel nut seal) was that it is much thinner than a typical hardware store replacment ( at least mine was). With a thicker o-ring there was a noticably tighter fit against the mag.

Also, a worn out seal may allow the bb to knick the edge of the barrel as it leaves the mag.... I've noticed this mostly while modding airsoft guns, barrel extensions, and other projects and it wreaks havoc on accuracy.

Hope this helps:tongue:

biscuitbarrel
03:20:28 Wed
Sep 13 2006
Re: Optics! Holographic Inquiries.
When I bought my holographic sight I ordered the dovetail to weaver adapter mentioned in previous posts on this thread. It works fine, but I just realized something: the scope will mount perfectly on the top of the Drozd frame in front of the dovetail.



This part of the frame measures (roughly) 18 mm - just the right size for the Weaver mount to fit over! I'm guessing it'll also help with sighting in since the center of the reticle is closer to the center of the barrel. On the downside, I don't have the side rails anymore so I'll have to find somewhere else to mount the laser.

jbroni
03:02:48 Thu
Jan 11 2007
Re: Holographic Scopes have problems+2 good mounting ideas
Old Timer, any idea where to buy one of the ultra-lowprofile adapters? I've been searching and all I can find are the tri-rails which are higher than I'd like. Thanks.

Blurted
16:33:00 Thu
Jan 11 2007
Re: Holographic Scopes have problems+2 good mounting ideas
Here is where I picked mine up. http://cgi.ebay.com/Dovetail-to-Weaver-Mount-AdapterFit-Winchester-Gamo-etc_W0QQitemZ130067220457QQihZ003QQcategoryZ52511QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

biscuitbarrel
20:56:07 Thu
Jan 11 2007
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Here is a low profile adapter on Brownells
Click here




jbroni
00:52:00 Fri
Jan 12 2007
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Just found these on Cabela's. Great price ($10.99) if you don't mind two-piece design. Also come in matte or gloss.
Adapter Two-Piece Base


jbroni
00:53:03 Fri
Jan 12 2007
Re: Optics! Holographic Inquiries.
Just found these on Cabela's. Great price ($10.99) if you don't mind two-piece design. Also come in matte or gloss.
Adapter Two-Piece Base


Nuglor
03:22:58 Fri
Jan 12 2007
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It's not the best image, but I had to post a pic of my Uzi with an Eotech holographic site on it.





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