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olpistolpacker 18:46:10 Sat Jun 17 2006 |
I know small rifle scopes, etc. I know red dots and red/green dots of varying mm sizes. I know lasers of many types. What I know nothing about is the open holographic type sights. I've seen them, fondled them, switched them on and off and through various reticles. What I'd appreciate here from you guys that have them mounted on your guns is a bit of a dissertation on how you like them. What lengths do you have? How is the target acquisition speed, brightness on a sunny day, favorite reticle format, etc. Give thoughts to fill an empty brain on the subject. I would deeply appreciate it and even pray for your batteries to stay charged a bit longer than normal. What price ranges and brands are good? Post pic's too. |
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dbeta 19:20:26 Sat Jun 17 2006 |
which I use at night around here for coyotes and personal protection, as I'm in the boonies about 3 miles from the Mex. border. It'll place a five shot group in about 4" at a hundred yards consistantly, which isn't bad for a pistol round in a short barrel. Brightness of the dot adjusts to work in broad daylight to full darkness and runs on N cells. These sights areactually holographic and do give the illusion of a dot projected out in front of the gun...target acquisition is quite fast. They're also expensive. Bushnell sells the identical sight under their name without the metal shroud. These go for about $250, and the Eo's are about $375+. If you have the $$$ no reason it wouln't work just fine. They do however sit rather high on the gun, as the battery compartment and electronics are housed beneath the optics. I don't find it a problem as it keeps your head up. Wherever your dot is is where the round goes...IOW the dot isn't necessarily centered in the glass nor does your eye need to be aligned to the sight...if you see the dot anywhere in the front of you..you've got a shot, unlike other dot sights. BTW, I've been looking at the ATN Compact Digital dot sight...for one of my Drozd'z. |
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olpistolpacker 19:22:28 Sat Jun 17 2006 |
Now, since I'm looking for something that won't shoot a hundred yards and probably would be happy getting a 4" group at 25 feet do you think a less expensive rig might work on a Drozd for our type of spray shooting? Here is a cheapie from Hong Kong with no real brand name. It is about $37.00 including shipping. I've had good luck with other cheap Chinese products. What say you out there? Anybody else? Helllloooooooo. When you get through mowing the lawn or finished with your downtown tour of Two Guns, Arizona, give a post, will ya? |
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dbeta 19:26:13 Sat Jun 17 2006 |
make the only 'true' holographic sights available. |
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The_Cannon 20:41:46 Sat Jun 17 2006 |
That sight in the picture is the exact one I have I believe. I got it on Ebay from Hong Kong for about $37. I really like it. It fits perfectly on the Drozd rail, its accuracy is well within the limits of what the gun can do, and it is bright enough for broad daylight. I like the simple crosshair reticle the best. I usually aim with both eyes open. I also like that the batteries are cheap and common, because once in a while I leave the sight powered up overnight....whoops. I have not owned the more expensive variety so maybe I don't know what I am missing, but I did compare mine with some $50 to $100 sights at a gun store and liked mine better (mostly because of the big window, no knobs on top, etc....) Anyway it probably sounds like I own stock in the company or something, but I really do like the sight, and at that price anyone with a Drozd should think about it. C. |
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olpistolpacker 23:10:04 Sat Jun 17 2006 |
But, dbeta, help us out here, what is a true holographic sight? My ignorant understanding was that they projected a dot onto the screen in the same way the red dot type sights do. Now that you mention it, I've seen covers for the expensive rigs that cover everything but the screen so how do they work as opposed to the one pictured below? Anybody? |
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dbeta 00:32:38 Sun Jun 18 2006 |
Most 'red dot' sights are simply an illuminated dot on an optical plane within the sight. You still pretty much have to look through the sight plane to see the dot centered..and your eye must either be focused on the sight plane (dot), or the target. They do work well, but they are different from a hologram. In a true holographic sight, the dot appears to be projected on the same plane as the target, so both eyes are focused on the target and the dot looks as if it's also way out in front of the gun...at the target as opposed to on the gun. They work the same way the sights in the "HUD" in a fighter plane do. The pilot is seeing his targeting data out in front the plane and not on the instrument panel. Think of it as kind of a "3D" sight. They are very, very good sights...but pricey. I've seen em on ebay for $180 or so. Probably overkill for a bbgun. I'm going to try mine on the Drozd as soon as I get a longer barrel and see how it works. BTW, I also found a couple of new sights from Pentax that will probably out perform the Chinese models for about the same price. Check www.riflescopes.com Look for the Pentax HS10.....$49.95....but very good quality from a good company. |
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dbeta 00:38:40 Sun Jun 18 2006 |
especially if you wear glasses....you'll never go back to anything else!! |
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olpistolpacker 02:07:03 Sun Jun 18 2006 |
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dbeta 02:47:45 Sun Jun 18 2006 |
Duh. Forgot to add that the true Holographic sights utilize a real 'laser' internally to generate the 3d spatial image of the projected 'dot'. Other sights simply use a light source and fiber optics to illuminate a small piece of ground glass. So, a 'Holographic' sight is also necessarily a 'laser' sight and they are so marked. The laser however is not what is projected...only the percieved image...the laser is what creates the 3d hologram. From the target, there is no 'red dot'... if you look at the gun from the barrel end you won't see a thing. |
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swedishdwarf 01:19:26 Thu Jun 22 2006 |
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vstk57 14:28:06 Mon Jun 26 2006 |
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olpistolpacker 20:09:02 Mon Jun 26 2006 |
Great info. 'Preciate it bunches. Gonna put your pic's in the Resource CD under "Optics" unless you object. |
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swedishdwarf 22:49:36 Mon Jun 26 2006 |
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zore 23:33:07 Mon Jun 26 2006 |
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Blurted 03:31:13 Tue Jun 27 2006 |
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vstk57 11:58:34 Tue Jun 27 2006 |
Sure, please use the photos. If you plan on raising the scopes position,there is a special dove-tail to Weaver adapter that works perfectly and leaves absolutely no gap whatsoever between the receivers top and the adapter's bottom. Do a search on eBay by entering this Item number: 7234885814. It shows what the tri-rail looks like, and you can contact the seller and buy them new from their store for 20 dollars. The Holo sights are extremely well made and finished,almost like an expensive all metal camera, and I just cant figure out how they are made so inexpensively(China no doubt). Its the latest technology,looks beautiful on the gun (as it perfectly matches the finish), its priced very well, And it works just as advertized: ). They come in a matte chrome finish too ! Cant beat that! The photo shows how the various adapters work,especialy the tri-rail. |
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swedishdwarf 21:37:12 Mon Jul 10 2006 |
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olpistolpacker 22:24:10 Mon Jul 10 2006 |
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swedishdwarf 00:36:26 Tue Jul 11 2006 |
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jkdrozd 04:56:20 Tue Jul 11 2006 |
thx, jimk |
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jkdrozd 05:30:26 Tue Jul 11 2006 |
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Blurted 17:43:08 Tue Jul 11 2006 |
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jkdrozd 23:03:42 Tue Jul 11 2006 |
that one looks nice, plus has a couple extras like the lense cover that's useful to have...thx for the link you provided, oh quick question for ya, you're not able to use the mounting set-up that comes with it??? is it because the mount is too wide for the drozd rail?? ltr, jimk |
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Blurted 03:33:32 Wed Jul 12 2006 |
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jkdrozd 04:11:47 Wed Jul 12 2006 |
jk |
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Blurted 04:23:27 Wed Jul 12 2006 |
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radical 02:12:57 Thu Jul 13 2006 |
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vstk57 13:39:39 Sat Jul 15 2006 |
These sights are equal in image quality to the 400 dollar Eotech version used by military and law-enforcement. They are not as rugged ,due to their largely alloy construction and open optical arrangement ,but the optical effect and image are identical. You can use the CR-16 batteries(2 required) or a single CR-32 (preferred), but be careful to make a note of turning the intensity knob back to zero when putting the gun away.I have gone through a number of batteries because I forgot to turn the sight off. The laser diode in these sights draw a fair amount of current and will drain the battery very quickly. Other than that, they are an unbeatable deal for under 50 dollars and are a good match for the Drozd's range,accuracy and mode of fire. |
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zore 18:25:33 Sat Jul 15 2006 |
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Drozd_Newboy 15:19:40 Tue Aug 1 2006 |
I had to get the adaptor rail for it but that didn't cost much either (ebay again). Took me all of 60 seconds to get it setup perfectly too!! Thanks for the info about these holo sights, I was going to get a red dot or illuminted reticle sight but this is so much better and easier to use - not to mention the lot cost me less than £40 including shipping. Drozd NewBoy |
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Blurted 16:41:22 Tue Aug 1 2006 |
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Drozd_Newboy 20:55:53 Tue Aug 1 2006 |
But who cares, it works excellently and looks the part. DN |
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swedishdwarf 23:45:01 Wed Aug 2 2006 |
Has anyone else had problems with shipping? |
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Blurted 12:16:03 Thu Aug 3 2006 |
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Drozd_Newboy 16:13:45 Thu Aug 3 2006 |
DN |
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swedishdwarf 22:57:44 Thu Aug 3 2006 |
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jkdrozd 03:23:24 Sat Aug 5 2006 |
as i bought on ebay and eventually had received a refund as somethiung happened to the packaging during shipping and was undeliverable, lost the shipping, but got the bulk of it back hope you get your order as its frustrating after awhile jimk |
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swedishdwarf 21:06:21 Wed Aug 9 2006 |
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biscuitbarrel 23:30:53 Wed Aug 9 2006 |
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Blurted 11:43:45 Thu Aug 10 2006 |
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biscuitbarrel 19:45:15 Thu Aug 10 2006 |
Maybe the dept of homeland security was doing a background check on you. You might be flagged as "possible terrorist" for "importing weapon components". |
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biscuitbarrel 00:53:14 Mon Aug 28 2006 |
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vstk57 09:40:32 Mon Aug 28 2006 |
I noticed that a bit as well,and it even holds true with the Eotech and Bushnell series at 10 times the price. Remember these sights have absolutely no optical correction or adjustment as do most typical scopes.You are required to use the other weaker eye to focus on the target image outside of the scope. Between the 2 images, both your eyes can have a little difficulty focusing on both something almost infinite and something bright within a few or more inches from your eye. I don't think any of the more expensive reflex sights will allow the user to change the optical characteristics of the hologram projection lenses, and how they are focused on the viewing screen. What I tend to do is just use either the small round dot or the central dot in the larger ring. The other reticles tend to more easily blur straight lines rather than they so round ones NOW, if your eyes are almost perfect and you have no vision problems, what could be happening is a side effect of the technology and operation of the scope's optics. The gold-like coating on the main acquisition screen is a dielectric(meaning "layered") mirror,much like the ones used in some lasers. It is not just one single totally reflective coating on the surface,or you wouldn't be able to see through it at all. Instead,it is comprised of many multiple layers of semi-reflective coatings,each partially coated like a 2-way mirror, and good for 20 percent reflectance(the hologram to the eye)and 80 percent transmission( the target to the eye). This ratio varies with the number of total coatings and purpose,but there can be 50 or more micro-meter coatings like this on every mirror. The spacing between each layer/coating is a critical distance; that spacing being a single wavelength in distance of the particular frequency that was used to created the holograms) This ensures that the Hologram(and its specific frequency) will be reflected from the screen and back to the shooter while the target image comprised of all other colours will pass through. If you want to try an interesting experiment,look at something red through the mirror. Anything read will go black because the mirror is reflecting red and not letting it pass to your eyes. What I suspect is that you are getting a second weaker reflection coming off one of the lower level coatings on/under the mirror/screen's surface,and because it may be only a wavelength or half-wavelength,depending on its manufacturer, you probably are getting 2 reflections off the same multi-coated mirror. The Reticle reflection off the top surface and a second one 670 nanometers below the surface off the second coating, which would appear weaker as its under more coatings and might have a lower reflectance/transmission ratio... What you might try is turning the image brightness as low as you can use and leave it at that. That will help your eyes focus with less eye-strain and make you a better shooter ; ) Compared with all that's on the market for 'Pro-Sumer' sights and scopes, I haven't seen another type of sight so well suited to the Drozd.. Vstk 57 |
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jkdrozd 17:26:51 Mon Aug 28 2006 |
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biscuitbarrel 19:44:25 Mon Aug 28 2006 |
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Blurted 21:21:19 Mon Aug 28 2006 |
Something is very wrong with your Drozd. If you messed with the trim pot, I would start there. Unless you have a leak somewhere. Even with C02, you should group tighter than you are. The only time I ever saw the bb's coming out of my Drozd was when I was using powerlets. After some rapid fire, the power drop would rear its ugly head and you could see them coming out. With that barrel you should be punching through sheet metal. Just my thoughts on your problem. |
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jkdrozd 00:52:22 Tue Aug 29 2006 |
i agree with your diagnosis there with my gun, messing with that adjustment does have a huge impact in a number of ways, including erratic firing, weak batteries will also show the same symptoms, but in my case it has plenty of power as each shot will tear thru both sides of a 1 gal paint can for the fullburst, my problem has to due partially to my magazine being worn and not fitting tight which allow the selonoid to not strike it equally each time and a crummy setup for the aiming, a weak laser & the original open sites so a big part is there .... but in a nutshell the drozd doesn't fire consistantly like a springer, compared to my other rifle, it just doesn't have that hunter type of accuracy, but it'll shower whatever i want to hit & put a little kid grin on my face every time |
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Blurted 02:05:13 Tue Aug 29 2006 |
I have seen on here somewhere a mod for ill fitting magazines. Radical chime in here please. If I remember right, he had a picture of the way he put in a metal shim to move the head of the magazine toward the barrel bushing. As far as the springer/Drozd comparrison, the two are worlds apart I agree. I don't think any of us bought the Drozd thinking it would be a tack driver. It is just a fun gun to tear things up with and put a smile on your face. |
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jkdrozd 02:54:26 Tue Aug 29 2006 |
right you are, i am familiar w/radical's mag posting picand solution, just never messed with mine as yet, \and yep, the drozds are a blast to blast stuff up with for sure jimk |
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r2d2_guy 04:33:25 Tue Aug 29 2006 |
http://stores.ebay.com/eHobby-Asia-Airsoft-Supplier Then search the store for "holographic". Mike Senna |
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r2d2_guy 04:36:46 Tue Aug 29 2006 |
http://stores.ebay.com/eHobby-Asia-Airsoft-Supplier Then search the store for "holographic". Mike Senna |
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evlweebl 10:13:34 Tue Aug 29 2006 |
Also, a worn out seal may allow the bb to knick the edge of the barrel as it leaves the mag.... I've noticed this mostly while modding airsoft guns, barrel extensions, and other projects and it wreaks havoc on accuracy. Hope this helps |
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biscuitbarrel 03:20:28 Wed Sep 13 2006 |
![]() This part of the frame measures (roughly) 18 mm - just the right size for the Weaver mount to fit over! I'm guessing it'll also help with sighting in since the center of the reticle is closer to the center of the barrel. On the downside, I don't have the side rails anymore so I'll have to find somewhere else to mount the laser. |
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jbroni 03:02:48 Thu Jan 11 2007 |
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Blurted 16:33:00 Thu Jan 11 2007 |
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biscuitbarrel 20:56:07 Thu Jan 11 2007 |
Click here
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jbroni 00:52:00 Fri Jan 12 2007 |
Adapter Two-Piece Base |
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jbroni 00:53:03 Fri Jan 12 2007 |
Adapter Two-Piece Base |
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Nuglor 03:22:58 Fri Jan 12 2007 |
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