UMAREX Steel Storm
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DUBB
01:23:49 Wed
Jun 9 2010
UMAREX Steel Storm
I just got mine today, and it was sooooo worth it!!! This sucker just ROCKS! It has single, and 6rd burst, it requires no batteries, it has a 2-12gr Co2 detachable magazine that goes in the handle, a 30rd integrated (non-removable) magazine, fed by an integrated 300rd resevoir, so that you crank back the spring loaded follower, and shake in another 30, to reload. I just couldn't bring myself to lay down the $250-$400 for the Drozd's, bad as I wanted one, but this sucker was $80. These just got released this month, I was hanging on pins and needles (and no, I'm not affiliated, just exited) to get mine. This maker, Umarex makes another auto called the EBOS, but those are backordered until next month, I heard, but they are dry right now. That one costs more, but has a higher velocity. I think I want one of those, too.

MODERATORS, I think we'll be needing an Umarex owners forum, it seems that there is a new player in the air powered arms race.

I have one other comment, my handle. I was interested in DEPLEATED URANIUM, and against the advice of a friend, who was afraid that the government might have an issue with researching it, did just that. YES, they control that, and yes, they have an issue with it: a MASSIVE, and growing stockpile. They have to refine huge ammounts of uranium ore, to get the radioactive stuff that they use to make reactors, and bombs, the purified non radioactive leftover product is "depleated" (for those who think its radioactive, its not). Problem is, asside from possibly being used as radiation shielding, and bullets only the military uses, its useless. And they are PAYING out money for research grants and such, to ANYONE who can come up with new ways to use the stuff. DU-BB!!!! For the same reason they make bullets out of it: it has a density 60% greater than lead. According to my calculations, this will make 4.5mm/.177 balls around 13 grains.
And did I mention THEY WILL PAY YOU TO MAKE THEM!
Anybody have any ideas on how we can persuade, say, Gamo to get with the program?

DUBB
01:28:46 Wed
Jun 9 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
I have been feeding the pidgeons (flying rats) all week in anticipation, bastards, I got a little something for them.....

Tbkahuna
03:01:39 Wed
Jun 9 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
That's almost down to a price equivalent to the Larc from way back in the 70s- $39.99 as I recall. I got to see the Umarex guns at the SHOT show. I liked the MP5 the best.

If your DU-BBs had enough juice in them to glow, GDs glow in the dark project would have new life!!


DUBB
03:12:20 Wed
Jun 9 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
I saved up lawn mowing money, and stole a girly-mag from the old man JUST for the clip out to buy one of those, remember the headline? "The Devil Made Me Do It". And I did it, allright, that thing was great for getting into trouble. I loved my Larc above all things. I can't remember anything else I actually worked to buy myself, as a kid. I remember everything I went through to get my larc.
Now I want to create a hybrid, and combine this sucker with a passlode butane nailgun, wouldnt that be a blast?
Franken-BB gas blaster.

Tbkahuna
03:28:35 Wed
Jun 9 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
The Freon was a neat idea, but never worked as well as air.

Not too long ago I came across an envelope addressed to LARC International. It was from the 30 years ago or so, and was never sent. I probably couldn't come up with the money... or Mom found out....

DUBB
03:59:05 Wed
Jun 9 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
My mom made one of my chores to pick up the mail after school, while the po was still open! So intercepting mine was simple enough. I remember it liked to freeze up solid. Yeah, I had to hide that from her. The old man eventually found where I stashed the mag, though, and I got a lecture on that subject, then later found the hole. It clearly had NOT been a girl, so I manned up, and showed it to him, he never told on me, and even told me to stash it in his shed, with the tools, since they found the mag, she'd find it in my room, eventually. Only stipulation, was that he and his friends got to play with it, when they got good and drunk. Deal. And he was a mechanic, so I got free freon, he would bring home from work, after that! Me and the old man never seen eye to eye on very much, but he liked my LARC, too. might have been the only thing we ever agreed on.

DUBB
04:20:49 Wed
Jun 9 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
I just noticed that this Steel Storm has what they call an "integrated tactical rail", both top and bottom, to attach stuff to. Thats pretty cool, too. I think a dot sight is in order. What I really want to do is get the lazer dot for the bottom, and swap out the 670nm diode with a 970nm diode from an old cd player, and put a "night owl" night vision scope on the top of it, infra-red invisa-dot! now THAT would be really cool. I know the military has that, but I will be the first kid on my street to have it on my bb gun! I don't think they sell infrared dotsights on the civilian market, do they? If not, I guess I'll have to make a few for us, here, once I get it working right. It would be rude to hold out on something that cool, if there is no way anyone else can just go out and buy one. All my hobbies end up being work, sooner or later, or I end up loosing friends.

DUBB
04:33:18 Wed
Jun 9 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
While I'm at it, I can replace the led's in an led flashlight with infrared diodes from the shack, and have that same invisa-fect again, this could be very interesting........
Not to mention, incredably cool. I'm trying to stay on topic here, the Umarex Steel Storm, and it's features, but the possiblities keep sidetracking me, I keep getting ideas that are worth mentioning, the more I play with it. I highly recomend this one, it has potential.
And it was well worth $80
http://www.umarexusa.com/product/Umarex-Steel-Storm-Tactical-BB,210,2.htm
and want this one, next
http://www.umarexusa.com/product/Umarex-EBOS-Tactical-BB,209,2.htm

Tbkahuna
12:44:07 Wed
Jun 9 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
DUBB,

Neat ideas. Post pictures when you get it set up.

I will eventually break down and buy one, as well as the MP5, and the EBOS, and... you can't have too many, right?!?!

TBK

delysid
21:24:00 Wed
Jun 9 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
DUBB, you've got some wild ideas man, keep them coming. i would like to see 4.5mm uranium ammo in stock at local sporting goods store.
and i share your appreciation for the umarex guns, i am impressed with the quality of cp-pistols and cx4 rifle, and ebos looks like a good value.

DUBB
17:39:26 Sat
Jun 12 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
DU-BB's. I'm trying to find a way contact gamo, and just point out to them that I really want them, and lead must cost money, and the U.S. Government will PAY THEM to take it, and they even fund reaserch in developing ANY practical, marketable, use for it, since they have a HUGE stockpile of it. They have to refine lots and lots to extract the trace ammounts of the hot stuff, in the quantities required to make reactor fuel and doomsday fireworks. And did I mention, I want it? Anyone who knows anything about business could see the sence it that: turning overhead liabilies (cost of lead) into profit, they'll pay them to take it, and any investment required in factory infrastucture qualifies as a "researh grant", they pay for all that, too. It should be a no-brainer, in their business, if someone knows how to contact them to offer the suggestion, I should think that DU-BB's are a realistic prediction. DU has it's own website.

DUBB
17:53:55 Sat
Jun 12 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
Now that I have had time to get busy with the Umarex Steel Storm, I have to update. I like that it doesn't need batteries, and I like the action. There is a cocking lever, and a cool peephole to show it's status, as the safety doesn't lock the trigger, it makes the trigger decock. BB's are easily shaken in and out, just hold it upsidedown and shake to unload.
It feels really ackward to hold, but the top and bottom rails made adding a foreward pistol grip a no brainer, and that made all the difference. It could still use a buttstock, though.
I have one big issue, is that BB's seem to get out of the resevoir, inside. They are still isolated from the internals, causing me to think that removing that barrier they get around, will solve the problem the easiest, while roughly trippling the capacity. But taking it apart is tricky, the BB follower MUST be cocked back to compress the spring, and DONT let it pop out, reloading that was a bitch. I noticed that the size of the muzzle was such that I cut the top of an aerosol can, and with a big hole on the bottom, and some small ones all around, and some sponge stuffed inside I made a neat surpressor, in under an hour. I did this for appearance, mostly, but it works surprisingly well, slides on and off snugly, and it actually does quiet the thing up sufficiently that I can get away with shooting indoors, even in the evening. Im exparamenting with larger ones, now.

Tbkahuna
03:07:25 Sun
Jun 13 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
DUBB,

Were you able to take a picture of the "block" that housed the working parts?

TBK

DUBB
06:40:58 Sun
Jun 13 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
No, but I will. I'm sick of the BB's that always rattle around, and wont come out, stuck "behind" for lack of a better word, the resevoir. I'll do pictures then. I made a "field expedient" buttstock for it, which works allright, but it's beyond ugly, I want to remove that, first, and I have a laser on the way, thought I would figure out how that will best fit, too. I made a surpressor out of a 78g butane can, which works, and looks good, too, I want to show that off, anyway. You Drozd owners can go spend $50 on a "mock" surpressor, mine was free, and it actually makes the thing pretty quiet. And it looks really good with the front pistol grip and the surpressor. Now I want one of those bulk fill kits for the old Drozd, that will work just fine, just not the blackbird one, as the orginal version comes down to a 12g cart with a hose attached. They say to drill a hole in the drozd mag to accomidate that, this Umarex has a removable cover there, so there wont be any modification at all to use that. My new buttstock.
I contacted Gamo, and pitched the idea. Keep your fingers crossed. I want DU-BB's and you know you do, too. The US goverment promised to pay for them for us, so why not? It's their patriotic duty.

Tbkahuna
21:58:11 Sun
Jun 13 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
Since the 6 round burst is mechanical, it shouldn't be too hard to eliminate. It looks like the lever coming out of the block where the fire selector is located is spring loaded. If that is the control for the 6 round... well, we'll just have to see. If not, there must be a ratchet of some sort behind that pin.

It looks like it might be fun to play around with one.

TBK


DUBB
04:55:06 Fri
Jun 18 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
I just thought that I'd add that the cyclic rate on this sucker is at least 1000rpm or better, it screams. It's a BUNCH faster than the Drozd's are.

I just found a youtube vid with a 1200rpm modded Drozd, THATS IT, that's exactly what the Steel Storm sounds like, at least for the blink it takes to spit out a 6rd burst. 1200rpm.

Tbkahuna
11:18:35 Fri
Jun 18 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
For S&Gs I bought one and it is supposed to be here today. I'll run it over the chrony to check the rpm and velocity.

TBK

DUBB
15:37:16 Fri
Jun 18 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
I don't think you'll be disappointed with it, mine was well worth the price. It needed the BB mod I made, really bad, having BB's rattling around, where they shouldn't be, and stuck there, was really annoying, but my BB mod has completely cured that, and the side effect is that instead of holding 300 in the reservoir, now it holds 800. Well worth doing, it was really quick. Now I no longer need to carry extra BB's with me, 800 is enough to keep me happy.

Tips: "shake, shake, shake, seniora, shake it all the time".. The first one is obvious, level shake, loads BB's down into the mag. The second isn't in the manual, it's the same thing, except held upside down, this now returns the BB's from the mag back to the reservoir, it unloads as easily as it loads.
Again, don't try pointing the barrel down, keep it level, and shake it.

DUBB
15:37:16 Fri
Jun 18 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
I don't think you'll be disappointed with it, mine was well worth the price. It needed the BB mod I made, really bad, having BB's rattling around, where they shouldn't be, and stuck there, was really annoying, but my BB mod has completely cured that, and the side effect is that instead of holding 300 in the reservoir, now it holds 800. Well worth doing, it was really quick. Now I no longer need to carry extra BB's with me, 800 is enough to keep me happy.

Tips: "shake, shake, shake, seniora, shake it all the time".. The first one is obvious, level shake, loads BB's down into the mag. The second isn't in the manual, it's the same thing, except held upside down, this now returns the BB's from the mag back to the reservoir, it unloads as easily as it loads.
Again, don't try pointing the barrel down, keep it level, and shake it.

Tbkahuna
19:20:58 Fri
Jun 18 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
I got out of work a little early, after a really long week, and just after getting in the house FEDEX shows up with the goods!!!

TBK

Tbkahuna
00:02:14 Sun
Jun 20 2010
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I finally got to test fire the Storm. DU is right, the rpm sounds high!!

I shot it over the chronograph.

The full-auto rate of fire is 1000 rpm.

Single shot it shoots about 440 fps.

Full-auto is in 6 round bursts. The velocity drops off from shot #1 to #6. It shoots from around 440 fps on the first shot, and drops to 380 by the 6th shot. The average was right at 400 fps for the burst. I did several bursts, with about a minute between them, and they were consistent.

The temperature was 80 degrees.

TBK

JimC
14:40:30 Sat
Jun 26 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
I got one of the first guns that were available. Immediately took it apart to see what could be done. Here is what I found:
It is a fun gun to shoot and although it is a little "plastic" looking, it is worth the price.

Full auto is doable, but not by most consumers, as it requires one to disassemble a very complicated and totally enclosed die cast mechanism.

The barrel is basically a metal soda straw and unless I can find suitable metric tubing, longer barrels will be difficult.

I have a foldable Uzi stock on mine and may be offering them for sale.

I made a VERY consumer friendly bulk adapter for the gun that looks "factory" and can be installed in less than 5 minutes with just a Phillips screwdriver.

I am presently making a run of 100 adapters and should have then in two weeks. I have not set a price yet, but it will be comparable to the Drozd bulk adapters. They will be available through me at wiz2972@aol.com or Airgun Depot.

Regards to all............JimC


Tbkahuna
15:02:38 Sat
Jun 26 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
JimC, that's good info. Did you take the die cast mechanism apart? Any pictures?

What velocity did you get in the stock form, and do you notice less fade on 6 round bursts with HPA?

TBK


SONYtec
05:03:13 Thu
Jul 1 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
Interesting...

DUBB
14:41:26 Fri
Jul 2 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
I broke mine, and ordered a BB from Ray.
But that's kind of unfair: I'm exceptionally good at breaking things. Call it a gift, but everyone has to be good at something, right?

Tbkahuna
17:17:48 Fri
Jul 2 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
Too bad on the busted storm. You will like the BB, though.

What broke on the storm? Let me know if you are getting rid of it- I could use parts/use it for experimentation!

TBK

DUBB
18:31:35 Fri
Jul 2 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
Well, I'd been daring myself to take it apart, that housing inside, to see what made it tick, for awhile, when somehow, the bolt jammed, and wouldn't charge the thing. Needless to say, that finally motivated me to do it. I lost one of the little springs inside, not that I really had any clue where they all went, at that point, anyway, but I'd already decided on getting the BB, by then. If anything, it accomplished what I needed it to do for me. It completely overcame my hesitance to buy the BB. I couldn't bring myself to spend that much money on one, until I got a taste. Now there is no issue, I'm doing it, all the way, with all the bling, because I understand, now, that I NEED one of these. What the Army taught me to call a "maximum volume of surpressing fire". Gotta have it.
So it was almost due for retirement, anyway. My only real regret is that it somehow unjammed itself, once it came apart, and I still have no idea why it did that. The bolt only went back halfway, and locked. Sucked. And besides, it never left much margain for modding, and what can I say, I mod EVERYTHING, in fact, I buy a lot of it JUST to mod it. Can't explain that, really, so I wont even try. I'm currently looking for one of those little electric scooters, and not because I need one, but just because I want to see what it'll do with a 3500 watt brushless outrunner (I can get those reallll cheap ro HK: one of my interests is building crashing electric helicopters- maybe one day I'll actually learn to fly one!) will make it do. It wont have very much range, but I don't need it to get me anywhere, or do anything except burn rubber. And I'm constructing a homebuilt gas turbine from a recycled automotive turbocharger. Don't know what to do with that, either, but when I get the afterburner on it, I can roast weenies really quick. Can you say 120,000 rpms? I can.
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=7870&Product_Name=TGY_AerodriveXp_SK_Series_63-74_170Kv_/_3250W
AND this isnt me or mine, just inspiration, its not really an original idea. Notice the use of a leaf blower as a starter!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZhlTIJAAcI&feature=related


SpeedRacer
03:21:00 Wed
Jul 7 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
Does Anyone have the Bulk HPA Adapter available for the Steel Storm Yet?

I was talking to Ray at Drozmax and he also stated he was getting ready to release his Bulk adapter for the Storm Soon... Whoever comes up with one first, I want to buy one.. Thanks guys

jaythedogg
15:21:07 Mon
Jul 12 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
I emailed JimC & am awaiting a reply. I am absolutely sure that it will be a quality part, this is what JimC has become known for, quality mods. I will leave a review once I order one & hook it up. I am ordering my Steel Storm this coming Thursday from PyramydAir.
Once I have it, I will seek out the metal "straw" in the diameter of .177 & start making a longer barrel myself... Unless JimC gets to it before I do. :smile:

Also, anyone had lasting success with taking the timing wheel out for full auto?

I know CO2 & FA is a bad idea, so I am going to bulk fill with regulated HPA. If taking the timing wheel out is all that is necesary...

Then again, full auto 30 round mags at roughly 1200 RPM is essentially a mod chipped Drozd... Except no PITA mags to reload... Decisions decisions....

SpeedRacer
03:31:16 Wed
Jul 14 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
Bad new guys. The Steel Storm that I was raving about earlier, is TOAST... We shot only about 4000 BB's through it and it is all Wacked out... It stops shooting out BB's, but it still sounds like it is still Shooting in Full Auto but in a real low tone. Almost like the CO2's are close to being out.. But it does this after only 60 shots or so with New CO2's... If you pull out the Clip and let it rest for a while it will go back to full power for another 60 shots or so... I called Pyramid air and they are giving me all my money back...

Just ordered another BB from Ray at DROZDMAX.COM.. The steel storm is a little Plastice toy that just can't take the Continous fun ... Nothing like the Blackbirds.... Just a little FYI.....

If it acts up, get your money back... See ya

Tbkahuna
03:10:13 Thu
Jul 15 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
I responded to your other post asking if you wanted to donate it for science. Reading this one, I am guessing you had to send it back. If not, I would like to take a look at it to see what happened and figure out what mods we could do to them.

Thanks,

TBK

jaythedogg
13:17:13 Fri
Jul 16 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
Got a reply from JimC regarding the bulk adapter & he will be sending me a video soon. I will then host & post it.

Should have my Steel Storm by Monday. :smile:

I bought it, some Pellgun oil, Daisy zinc plated BBs, & a 25 pack of Crosman CO2 carts.

Will post my own videos & whatnot.

I almost bought a Leapers Golden Image Red dot, but didn't have the extra $30. Sucks too because I could have had it shipped free with my order from PyramyAir.

SpeedRacer
03:50:05 Sat
Jul 17 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
Sorry Tbkahuna, I would have loved to donate it to you for the better of the Group..LOL

I just couldn't pass up them giving me all my money back for the Gun, the BB's and the CO2's... I was really surprised that they gave me back the whole $145.00... I used up all the BB's I bought with the gun as well as 70 of the 100 12g CO2 cartridges I bought.. I only sent back 30 of the 100 cartridges and thy gave me All my money Back...

Too Good To pass up...Plus i used that to order a Second Blackbird From Ray at DROZDMAX.com

jaythedogg
13:17:38 Sun
Jul 18 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
I gots it! WOW it is LOUD! Sounds about like my headphones fully cranked & shooting the mounted anti-aircraft guns in Battlefield Bad Company 2, in the Atacama Desert map.
In all seriousness.
The recoil is actually pretty satisfying & as long as you don't super cool the CO2 by fast firing a lot, it has some decent penetration too.
Will link vids later.

Tbkahuna
02:20:35 Tue
Jul 20 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
Hey SpeedRacer,

It sounds like a good deal for you. When I get some more projects knocked out I will probably take mine apart anyway.

TBK

Major_Malfunction
06:38:23 Tue
Jul 20 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
Hi Everyone, I haven't owned any bb gun for years (had all kinds of pistols, revolvers and rifles back when I was a kid but things like this only existed in my imagination). When I stumbled on this thing on youtube I just had to have one. Before purchasing it I considered the alternatives (mainly drozd) and came to the conclusion that that was more than I wanted to spend on something I will be using relatively rarely and have no real use/need for.

For the price I really can't complain. The only gripes I have with it are 1) I too have a BB that found it's way behind the main hopper 2) the sights are worthless (fixed that with a tasco red dot) 3) Co2 loosing power when I get trigger happy (how can you not???) But other than that I am quite pleased with it, shooting it in semi auto mode puts a huge smile on my face, 6 round bursts cause me to burst out into my trademark evil laughter :rotflmao:

I heard gripes about reloading it being a pain; I disagree! I can pour a hopper full of bb's in there in just a few seconds and reload the 30 round magazine in about as much time as it takes a single shot break barrel to load one pellet.


Power to the people!

I'm in Canada and got mine from airgunsource.com I ordered it on july 13th and recieved it on july 16th which is pretty awesome. Wish they carried RWS match grade BB's as I can't seem to find any locally (only that copperhead crap) Had to buy Co2 and bb's from Canadian Tire. I brought the unopened box with me and asked the sporting goods clerk if he wanted to see it, needless to say he jotted down it's name on a piece of paper. Before long, it had drawn quite a crowd! There's no doubt in my mine he and his buddies all have theirs by now :wink:


Eagerly looking forward to some form of regulated HPA adapter and other performance mods. I'm not looking to make it full auto as I like the idea of counting 5 trigger pulls to empty a magazine, but I'd like to be able to discharge magazine after magazine without loosing any power. (in fact, if It could have a bit more power than it's baseline that'd be ok too)
:lol:

Well that's it for my intro post.

Happy plinking!

Major_Malfunction
00:09:02 Wed
Jul 21 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
Alright, I found some RWS match grade BB's at a local store.

Man do these ever put the copperhead's to SHAME. Now these are what propper BB's are supposed to look and shoot like. I have no problem making really tight clusters at 15".

I certainly won't be buying any more of those copperheads... Wonder what I'll do with the 5K or so rounds remaining? They are such crap I am sure re-shooting RWS's would yield better performance. (I strongly advise against this of course)

Scuba diving ballast perhaps? Nah maybe I'll bring em to the cottage and just spray them all over the place if I ever get bulk air...




jaythedogg
03:02:25 Thu
Jul 22 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
Mine died.

Appears the valve stuck & didn't shut completely, even after shooting it repeatedly, it still lost air.

On my third set of CO2 carts no less!

Gas leaked out of the barrel steadily, so I RMA'd it with Pyramyd Air, which btw was hassle free & there should be a replacement here next week. :smile:

I am going to bulk mine if JimC ever gets back to me & sells me an adapter, then I am going to the local machinist & having them machine a 15" smooth barrel for me, based on the original.

Finally I am going to custom mold a few misc. parts for it, like a butt stock & whatnot.

Will keep yall updated.

Major_Malfunction
16:40:28 Thu
Jul 22 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
Sorry to hear that jaythedog, this is the second report of premature USS death that I read about which worries me a little, one occured at around 4K bb's and the other (yours) 3 sets of Co2 (is that 3 pairs of 12g co2's???)

That's very poor! I am at about 1500bb's so far maybe 12 individual 12g co2 cartriges. I'm a little worried!

I have some questions to you guys who's SS's have failed;

1) Did you remove the Co2 cartriges between sessions

2) were you using oil, if so what kind and at what frequency?

Thanks.


So far I am using 1 drop on each cartrige seal, one drop on the top of the co2 clip (to lube the orings) and every couple of sets of co2 I put a drop on the trigger hinge and the bb follower. Fingers crossed no issues to report.

Wondering if it'll last long enough to go HPA, and if it'll just fail right after I upgrade... this is not encouraging!

kyubi78
02:27:07 Thu
Jul 29 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
I have a BB stuck somewhere in the reservoir and no matter how I hold it, or position it, it won't come out!!! ARGH!!! It's driving me crazy!

Hey DUBB. Do you have pics on how you modded your reservoir? I need it and any other pics of mods you did on your USS. Thanks in advanced!



kyubi78
03:56:26 Thu
Jul 29 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
Quote: kyubi78 at 02:27:07 Thu Jul 29 2010

I have a BB stuck somewhere in the reservoir and no matter how I hold it, or position it, it won't come out!!! ARGH!!! It's driving me crazy!



OK so took out the first two screws on the barrel side of the pistol and then two more of the top screws. Carefully pulled out the sliding reservoir latch and then pried open the gun. Saw the culprit, gave it a quick shake and out dropped the little annoying @%^#!%$. No more rattles!

So take heed to DUBB's tips. Never point the pistol vertically and shake to load up the bb chamber. Keep it level and gently shake on a horizontal plane and the bb's will drop in just fine.

Major_Malfunction
04:10:30 Fri
Jul 30 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
I've been dreading taking it apart after reading DUBB's report of springs flying everywhere. (and, he's military so I assume he knows how to take weapons down and put them back together better than your average hobbyist such as myself, granted on the inside this thing probably looks nothing like any firearm... )

So I took your example kyubi78 and did the "partially unfasten, pry, invert and shake" method. Worked really well. Thanks!

Upon inspection it appears the offending BB's sneek their way behind the hopper in the small gap between the sliding hatch and the "gate" that is intended to prevent the bb's from going in the back hollow section. It's been said one can remove the "gate" and increase BB holding capacity considerably but that requires a bit more work than the "kyubi78" method


For the record, there were not one, not two but THREE rogue bb's in mine. ALL of which were copperheads. NONE of which were RWS match grades.


There are pits on most of these copperturds so big, they make the total diameter a tiny bit smaller when measured from the pit crater to it's opposing pole, which means, when it is shaken into the gap and passes just at the right angle with the pitted side against the top of the gate or the bottom of the hatch it just barely squeezes through (which explains why it's almost impossible to get it to come back out the other way, and why there were only copperturds stuck back there and no "bigger", more uniform RWS's.)

DUBB
15:13:35 Sat
Jul 31 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
I had that issue with the BB hopper in the Storm. It had a bad habbit of letting the odd BB get past the partition, where they'd become stuck, and rattle around in there. It was driving me nuts. The fix I implemented involved cutting out a portion of that partition section, so that all the BB's could freely flow into the space beyond, since it was isolated from the rest of the works, anyway. The only thing then, was that it would hold 800 BB's, instead of 300. I failed to see that as a problem.

And the issues I had taking it apart, were in taking apart the metal housing with the mechanics inside it. Taking the main body apart was easy enough. Doing the BB mod was easy, since all the critical stuff is inside that metal casing inside. Leave that alone, and you'll be fine.

The spring: Appearantly, the way to do it is that there is a "plug", or "lock" for lack of a better word, that wedges in the rear of the follower slot, near the barrel, where it notches to lock the follower back when reloading the 30rd mag. This gets removed, then instead of trying to reassemble with the spring in, you leave it out until the thing is back together, then load the spring through the hole where the "plug" was, until its in there completely, then you snap the plug back in.


DUBB
15:22:43 Sat
Jul 31 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
I do have pix for the BB mod, actually, email me if you want them.
ps2_hacker@hotmail.com

And shaking it whilst holding it upsidedown unloads the 30rd back into the hopper.

Major_Malfunction
16:18:25 Mon
Aug 2 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
Very cool DUBB,

Just did the mod, fits well over 1/2lbs of bb's now. Adds a bit of heft to the gun! As it sits fully loaded with 2 cartriges and my red dot it comes in at just under 4lbs. (3lbs 15.6oz) I wonder if it'll help group bursts even tighter?


Thanks for the tips!

Major_Malfunction
00:44:42 Tue
Aug 3 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
Quote: jjmm4Ljj at 00:25:31 Tue Aug 3 2010

can you explain how you jammed the spring back in without it popping out?


I bent a piece of piano wire (either .055 or .047, not sure it was just a scrap..) that I slipped inside the spring about 4 inches to help guide it into the mag, and a small screwdriver to help pull the spring back in, I then put the little plastic cap back on and when I pulled out the piano wire it sort of sprang into place under the cap, had to try it a couple of times... by then of course at the very least you have the two screws by the muzzle tightened. (otherwise the load on the spring is enough to split the cases and pop out)

Major_Malfunction
03:40:29 Tue
Aug 3 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
My mock muzzle piece somehow got loose and it would wiggle a bit (as did the barrel inside it)

So I took it apart again to fix that; once more, to put the spring back in I slid the spring in making sure it goes around the bb follower shaft, push it in as far as it goes without starting to compress it, then I put the piano wire inside the spring to guide it as I took a mini flathead screwdriver (small enough to fit inside the bb follower groove) and incrementally use it to pull the spring into the follower, once it's all in, hold it there using the screwdriver, pull out piano wire, pop the little cover back on and let the spring slide under the cover.

Easier this time...

kyubi78
06:07:01 Tue
Aug 3 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
Glad to see my tip help Maj. Mal! It appears you have gone even further into your USS, than I. Good on you!

So when are we gonna see some barrel mods for this bad boy? :tongue:

I'm wondering if somehow, I can find a machinist to make a friction fit barrel extender. The idea is to cnc a cylindric tube that was tapered down on one end so that it could be pressed into the muzzle, then to make it slightly more "tactical" looking, bolt on a weaver plate to hold the muzzle and cnc cylinder together. My only concern is that the hole that will be milled in the center of the cylinder will have to be perfectly aligned. I guess I can put 4 screw holes in the muzzle to act as alignment screws and push the cylinder to proper alignment. What do you guys think? I mainly want to do this for looks but do you think the USS would/could benefit from a longer barrel?

I'm a complete novice by the way and have no idea regarding bb velocity and travel through a bb barrel, nor how they are engineered. Just a guy, who needs to mod everything he touches! TOOL TIME!!!!

DUBB
18:49:05 Tue
Aug 3 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
The spring: Appearantly, the way to do it is that there is a "plug", or "lock" for lack of a better word, that wedges in the rear of the follower slot, where it notches to lock the follower back when reloading the 30rd mag. This gets removed, then instead of trying to reassemble with the spring in, you leave it out until the thing is back together, then load the spring through the hole where the "plug" was, until its in there completely, then you snap the plug back in.
I used a paperclip through the slot to push the spring down, and finally to hold it there, compressed, while I put the plug back in, you could use 2 of them to hold it from springing back, since I had to compress the spring in stages, if you need to, but I didn't.

DUBB
19:00:45 Tue
Aug 3 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
Quote: Major_Malfunction at 03:40:29 Tue Aug 3 2010

My mock muzzle piece somehow got loose and it would wiggle a bit (as did the barrel inside it)

So I took it apart again to fix that; once more, to put the spring back in I slid the spring in making sure it goes around the bb follower shaft, push it in as far as it goes without starting to compress it, then I put the piano wire inside the spring to guide it as I took a mini flathead screwdriver (small enough to fit inside the bb follower groove) and incrementally use it to pull the spring into the follower, once it's all in, hold it there using the screwdriver, pull out piano wire, pop the little cover back on and let the spring slide under the cover.

Easier this time...


Yeah, thats the same way I did it, I didn't need a wire to guide it, though, and it seemed to find it's way onto the follower all by itself.

Major_Malfunction
03:24:28 Wed
Aug 4 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
My SS is now FULL auto, none of that silly 6 round burst nonsense; IF I want to count my shots I'll shoot semi auto.

It's really easier than it seems. And I wonder, DUBB, do you still have all your parts? Because making it full auto probably involves removing the little spring you lost!

Anyway, SS is still alive, firing full auto and bulk air on the way. I have none of this stuff to start with, my friend is giving me a great deal on a 6mth old 20oz co2 tank and a remote line with shutoff valve.

I wanted to go HPA right off the bat but the price he's giving me on the bundle is less than the price of a cheap remote alone (and it's a good one)

I wonder, with the larger 20oz tank and that long hose; without being as good as HPA, am I correct to assume that it will handle more trigger happiness before loosing power than those tiny 12G cylinders do? If this works well enough I might just stick with bulk co2

kyubi78
04:18:56 Wed
Aug 4 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
Quote: kyubi78 at 06:07:01 Tue Aug 3 2010

I'm wondering if somehow, I can find a machinist to make a friction fit barrel extender. The idea is to cnc a cylindric tube that was tapered down on one end so that it could be pressed into the muzzle, then to make it slightly more "tactical" looking, bolt on a weaver plate to hold the muzzle and cnc cylinder together. My only concern is that the hole that will be milled in the center of the cylinder will have to be perfectly aligned. I guess I can put 4 screw holes in the muzzle to act as alignment screws and push the cylinder to proper alignment. What do you guys think? I mainly want to do this for looks but do you think the USS would/could benefit from a longer barrel?


Anyone know if this is actually feasible?

Major_Malfunction
04:59:03 Wed
Aug 4 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
Kyubi78, anything is possible to a point. It sounds like you want to have a fake supressor to extend barrel cosmetically without having an actual 4.5mm tube in the center, can it benefit from that? With strategically placed holes and well chosen stuffing, yes you'll have a really effective silencer. If you mean aligning a 4.5mm tube with the other to use as an extension, I don't like the idea at all.

The way to extend the barrel is to make a longer barrel... JimC has one in the works which he tells me will measure 16" that replaces the existing one along with some sort of aluminum "fake" barrel or suppressor to strengthen the small and otherwise fragile slim barrel. (and look way cool too)


Stock barrel is 7.5 inches. Should pick up quite a few FPS's and hopefully accuracy to match.






DUBB
09:24:18 Wed
Aug 4 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
While I was infatuated with the SS, I pondered the matter of the barrel, and had my feelers out for an old pellet rifle or possibly the barrel from a Crosman 357-8", but a rifled barrel, since the stock one doesn't thread in like the Drozd's, or anything complicated, I intended to drill the hole out to make whatever I used fit. Then I thought that this was likely a waste of time and effort, this was never meant to be modded, and realized that like it or not, I was going to buy a BB, sooner or later. But then it jammed before I found a suitable barrel, and having accepted the fact that the BB was inevtable, and payday was just around the corner, I just tossed the parts in a box, and forgot all about it, I figured that I'd saved myself the trouble of wasting time and money on something that was never going to do, anyway. It made a GREAT excuse to go ahead and buy the damn BB, already, that was too good not to take advantage of. It was worth it, I had a blast with it, and it served perfectly, in the task of making me understand that I really needed a BB, a decision I had been previously unable to bring myself to make, before, and it timed itself perfectly for the task: got me hooked, then cut my line at just the right time to sell me a BB, which I have, and I'm truely greatful to the SS for motivating me. I think I'll enshrine it's remains in a small monument I can shoot cans and bottles off of, in memorendum.

JimC
23:16:09 Wed
Aug 4 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
Wanna sell the SS or trade for mod parts for your new BB?
I need a gun to experiment with.
Let me know......JimC ...... wiz2972@aol.com

kyubi78
04:36:46 Fri
Aug 6 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
Yea now that I've see the pics from dubb (for increased bb capacity), I see that my idea is not a good one and it would be easier to find a pencil barrel of some sort and just lengthen it.

I am VERY excited to see what JimC has in the works, as I've read lots of great things about his work. In the meantime, I may just create a pseudo-silencer to allow more shootin' in my backyard.

kyubi78
04:39:59 Fri
Aug 6 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
Quote: DUBB at 09:24:18 Wed Aug 4 2010

While I was infatuated with the SS, I pondered the matter of the barrel, and had my feelers out for an old pellet rifle or possibly the barrel from a Crosman 357-8", but a rifled barrel, since the stock one doesn't thread in like the Drozd's, or anything complicated, I intended to drill the hole out to make whatever I used fit. Then I thought that this was likely a waste of time and effort, this was never meant to be modded, and realized that like it or not, I was going to buy a BB, sooner or later. But then it jammed before I found a suitable barrel, and having accepted the fact that the BB was inevtable, and payday was just around the corner, I just tossed the parts in a box, and forgot all about it, I figured that I'd saved myself the trouble of wasting time and money on something that was never going to do, anyway. It made a GREAT excuse to go ahead and buy the damn BB, already, that was too good not to take advantage of. It was worth it, I had a blast with it, and it served perfectly, in the task of making me understand that I really needed a BB, a decision I had been previously unable to bring myself to make, before, and it timed itself perfectly for the task: got me hooked, then cut my line at just the right time to sell me a BB, which I have, and I'm truely greatful to the SS for motivating me. I think I'll enshrine it's remains in a small monument I can shoot cans and bottles off of, in memorendum.


Get it in JimC's hands and do every SS owner a favor and making them love their SS just that much more. :lol:

jaythedogg
20:39:23 Sun
Aug 15 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
Quote: Major_Malfunction at 16:40:28 Thu Jul 22 2010

Sorry to hear that jaythedog, this is the second report of premature USS death that I read about which worries me a little, one occured at around 4K bb's and the other (yours) 3 sets of Co2 (is that 3 pairs of 12g co2's???)

That's very poor! I am at about 1500bb's so far maybe 12 individual 12g co2 cartriges. I'm a little worried!

I have some questions to you guys who's SS's have failed;

1) Did you remove the Co2 cartriges between sessions

2) were you using oil, if so what kind and at what frequency?

Thanks.


So far I am using 1 drop on each cartrige seal, one drop on the top of the co2 clip (to lube the orings) and every couple of sets of co2 I put a drop on the trigger hinge and the bb follower. Fingers crossed no issues to report.

Wondering if it'll last long enough to go HPA, and if it'll just fail right after I upgrade... this is not encouraging!


Three sets of CO2's, I removed the mag completely each time I was done, & before inserting my first set of CO2's I added a drop of Crosman Pellgun Oil to the tip of magazine valve, & each CO2 cart. I only used Crosman 12g CO2's.

Umarex answered & apologized in email when I complained to them but I asked if they planned on fixing the issues that are springing up & they haven't replied... 3 weeks now.

Major_Malfunction
00:03:16 Thu
Aug 19 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
Mine has developed a minor gas leak out of the barrel, not much; barely a hiss but it's there and it's not going away.

Wonder if their is as big a difference between RWS spring cylinder oil and pellgunoil as their is between copperheads and rws match grade bb's. If so, that may be part of the reason some of these are failing.

This is after I ordered the bulk air adapter, but before I received it.

It still works fine. If it stabilizes with such a minor leak I won't mind too much because you have to take the gas off this gun when you are not shooting it anyway but it can go the other way and get worse quickly.

Then I wonder how they will be with the warranty given the mods and all... Maybe they will accept to sell me a valve:rolleyes:

jct842
04:47:42 Sat
Sep 11 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
I just ordered one that should be shipped next week. a refurb for $55. for that money I don't think I will worry to much about tearing right into it. I will want a long barrel and bulk co2 for it. I have a 20lb tank in my shop hanging on the wall just for that purpose! I have a chinese lathe and micro mill. I have a brand new 24" crosman .177 barrel standing in corner of bench I could cut and turn down to fit. a couple years ago I modded a ppk and that was kind of disappointing as the fps on full auto is probably around 250 and usually shoots the whole stick of bb's at once. I am looking forward to reading more posts on the storm here. I have built several pellet guns from scratch including my own valves using few commercially manufactured parts such as springs, screws, and gas tubes.
Had entertained the thought of getting a EBOS UMAREX but the storm seems more versatile even though has less speed. seeing the full auto mod is just removing a few parts it is looking like I am going the right direction. John

Major_Malfunction
03:00:26 Wed
Sep 22 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
Welcome aboard jct842.

You probably mean a 20oz tank. I have the same setup, and JimC's bulk air adapter. Works great.

My minor gas leak seems to have taken care of itself and it's still holding up after about 7000bb's.

Looking forward to seeing pics of your custom barrel.



jct842
04:55:23 Wed
Sep 22 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
nope its a 20LB, I fill my 20 OZ from it. also have built and rebuilt co2 guns to fill with it. it lasts me about a year or so. CO2 costs about $1 a LB when you get it that way. And therefor conserving it doesn't even cross my mind. its an exchange tank I own and is mounted upside down to get liquid out of it. Have a .50 cal under construction and is one of the guns. been experimenting with and for a few years and have not finalized the construction on it. If you had gas coming out of the barrel and it seems to be getting better, it is probably some junk that got in under valve seat with the gas. using pellgun oil helps a lot in cases like that. I will be very interested in seeing what the actual steel storm valve is and how it is put together. John

jct842
00:18:00 Fri
Dec 3 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
whooohooo the wait is almost over. Sept 10 I ordered a steel storm, a re-manufactured or refurb for $55. I just got an email with a tracking number. I have since bought an EBOS so I will be well fixed for a warm day. dragonfly's and english sparrows etc. I have more barrel added to the ebos than I need so maybe I can whack off some to add to the storm.
john

jct842
23:32:55 Wed
Dec 8 2010
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
Got it. I love the fire rate, but is too fast for CO2. It doesnt have the power my EBOS has but am going to put 1/2 of the cr760 barrel I have on the EBOS on it. also not much for target shooting either, pop cans at 20 ft is about right. with 1/2 of a 760 barrel added to it I might be a little more satisfied. won't be going for the full auto either, no big deal to pull trigger again. will be wanting to eliminate the 12 gram carts though, could see going though 10 bucks worth of them in a half hour. This gun is a perfect candidate for hp air which I may never be set up for.

Also it appears that AIRGUN DEPOT subbed a retail version as no (R) stamped on it and a new retail box. not too bad for a 3 month wait on a $55 refurb that I ordered on sept 10. I only called once to check on status and while I had the nice lady on the phone I ordered a EBOS. They are going to get all of my business from now on. I will rate them the highest of any place that sells airguns on the internet. And no, they no longer list the steel storm as a refurb but do carry the brand new ones./
john

billweiker
03:41:48 Wed
Mar 9 2011
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
I just got my new Storm today! I've been checking them out on line. I love it! Very accurate out to about thirty feet. I tore up a cardboard target at that range. I drive a semi. Does anyone know if they're leagal in all fifty states? They are BB guns. It would be good to have in truck in case of emergency. I know it wouldn't kill anyone, but it might keep them from climbing in my truck. But not if I'm going to go to jail for it. Thanks in advance.

thermalsurfing
12:14:09 Fri
Mar 11 2011
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
i installed jim c's faux supressor and it makes the barrel longer. its a nice upgrade and i think makes it more accurate and makes the shoot more fps. i ordered mine from drozd max with the full auto upgrade and have the bulk co2 upgrade. its a fun pistol !

billweiker
20:15:53 Sat
Mar 12 2011
Re: UMAREX Steel Storm
How easy/hard is it to make full auto continuous?



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