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NewDrozder 17:58:23 Wed Sep 13 2006 Offline 44 posts BBMG Corporal Reply |
VSTK57,
Thanks a lot for all your advice, your very informative and helpful. The brightness of the dot is very impressive I can see it from great distances even on a sunny day, and at night it looks like something out of a sci-fi film, very cool. I will let you know how it works out mounted on my Drozd. Does anyone know the diameter of JimC SMG barrels? | ||||
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vstk57 14:01:20 Wed Sep 13 2006 Offline 101 posts BBMG Colonel Reply |
The green lasers are larger then the red diode lasers. They contain more internal components and require higher current powers-supplies (hence bigger batteries).
The "Sure-Fire" design has a complicated mechanical system that allows adjustment of both axis without requiring a hex-key. Quick adjustments for windage can be made by simply rotating one of 2 the knurled rings.The tactical advantage of this design is to be able to be able to shoulder the weapon using one hand and zero-in the laser with the other,thus providing instant parallax adjustments for varying target types and distances. These adjustments are displayed on both vernier scales .This mechanism adds another inch or so to the length of the laser, which makes the over-all dimensions larger than any of the red diode type lasers. If you plan on using the laser as your primary sighting device,then mount it on the top of the Drozd's frame forward of the rear sight. You will need a 3/8 dove-tail to Weaver-type rail adapter. Companies like BKL and B-Square offer a range of dove-tail to Weaver adapters.Some incorporate tri-rails which allow 3 devices to be mounted to a single rail. If you have the QD laser with the crossbar ,you will need to mount it on a Ris/Ras/Picatiny type rail. Basically a Weaver rail ,with cross-channels every 1 cm down the length of the rail, the crossbar on the QD mount will lock into one of these channels.This is probably your best bet for a temporary installation. If your soon-to-arrive perforated barrel is one inch in diameter,then there are many systems that will work to mount your laser. Shot-gun barrel to scope-ring adapters will fit onto the QD mount. You would just use half the mount. There is also a shot-gun to tactical flashlight QD mount that works in a similar manner. So what do you think of the brightness of the green laser's spot? | ||||
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neo45 02:50:07 Tue Sep 12 2006 Offline 148 posts BBMG Brigadier General * Reply |
Right then, Get yourself on ebay and search shop names, I know a place that all kinds of mounts and another place that sell those lasers, so they should have what you need, Try to find........ HKPTU or eHobby Asia Good luck! By the way youll need a 11mm mount for top mounting that laser if you want to put it on the drozd's mounts. Plus make shure the hight of the mount clears those rear sights! NEo45  | ||||
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NewDrozder 02:36:46 Tue Sep 12 2006 Offline 44 posts BBMG Corporal Reply |
so I got that green laser from the link below and the thing is huge! I also cant mount it on the drozd... where could i get an adapter to make it fit? Once I get JimC barrel it will be great mounted below but for the meantime...
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vstk57 00:58:03 Thu Sep 7 2006 Offline 101 posts BBMG Colonel Reply |
Geez, how did we manage to get so far off track talking about lasers ; ) I am not really good about giving advice but this my recomendation: Lasers have the distinct advantage that you don't need to bring the Drozd to eye level in order to acquire a target. They are easy to install and sight-in, they are inexpensive(many under 15 dollars), and lots of Drozd owners use them exclusively. Red dot scopes are 40 year old technology that have become eclipsed by the new Holographic-Reflex type sights,in both value and function. No light source required, four different reticles at variable brightness's, and very fast acquisition times. They cost about 30-36 dollars. My personal advice is to go with the Holographic type sight. These sights have been recently discussed thoroughly on this BB(12 topics back), but if you CAN, you would probably find the best system to be a combination of both types of sights: laser and Holographic Reflex. You would be getting the best of both worlds and while it might cost 45-50 dollars,this combination covers all the bases, plus they can be combined to make a very compact package on the Drozd without modidfication to the frame : )  | ||||||
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neo45 12:39:16 Wed Sep 6 2006 Offline 148 posts BBMG Brigadier General * Reply |
WO WO WO WO WO WO! Have we all forgot the origonal post! The guy wanted some pointers to what to stick on his drozd! I know it was a while back ( the first post/thread ) but discussing lasers wasnt the what was required here. To the original............ Iv got a Webley speed pointer on my Drozd and it looks the shizzle! Its cheap, dont require batteries, the red dot is visable all the time ( even in moon light ) and its shape keeps in line with the Drozd's angled fornt. I think you can check it out at WebleyandScott.com There done! NEo45  | ||||
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vstk57 09:11:03 Wed Sep 6 2006 Offline 101 posts BBMG Colonel Reply |
I am guessing that they are all red diode lasers of some sort,as between those and the green ones,that's about all that are on the market right now. There are some blue,yellow, and purple lasers available but they are extremely expensive and too 'dim' to be of any use in a laser sight without the use of night-vision equipment. I have heard of an orange laser that is being tested but is not available for civilian use. Still, the best colour is green. If you take a red and a green laser,each with exactly the same power output ,the green laser will be visible from almost 5 times the distance as the red. In the daylight a green laser is extremely visible, providing it is reflecting off a relatively light colored surface. The darker and more irregular the surface,the less visible the beam becomes( true with any laser).
I would expect to see the price of the green lasers drop to under 45 dollars in the next year,especially now that the Chinese are producing them in larger quantities.Don't expect them to get much smaller in size. Because of the extra components and larger battery requirements,they will most likely continue to be twice the size of the average red diode laser. | ||||
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biscuitbarrel 15:30:59 Mon Sep 4 2006 Offline 143 posts BBMG Brigadier General * Reply |
I have three different lasers for my drozd and firearms and none of them are visible in daylight. Are the green ones visible in daylight? Or are any other lasers that anyone knows of?
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vstk57 11:59:17 Mon Sep 4 2006 Offline 101 posts BBMG Colonel Reply |
Hello Brutu5!
I wish to answer that question since I did write that some laser-sight components are powerful enough to burn through paper, but I don't want to bore you to death either,so this explanation will be a little sugar coated but the theory is relatively accurate. To answer your Question: "Yes, under curtain circumstances they can be" Green lasers are not like the more common red LED lasers just about every one owned at one time. The red LED lasers produce outputs typically around 5-10 miliwatts max. While they have the ability to cause temporary blindness at very close range,they are generally not considered dangerous. All of their laser energy is in the visible red portion of the spectrum our eyes can perceive. Diode lasers are usually called semi-conductor lasers There are,however, a group of very powerful semi-conductor lasers made that produce all of their output in the infrared spectrum. These small semi-conductor lasers can produce 2 or more watts(2000 miliwatts) by themselves. Their infrared output is totally invisible to the naked eye. All semi-conductor lasers are among the most efficient form of laser,using a minimal amount of electricity to produce relatively large amount of laser energy. The very first laser was made from a flashlamp coiled around a small one and 1/2 inch long synthetic ruby crystal.This flashlamp produced a massive amount of light energy,much of it in the UV and infrared region of the spectrum. This energy , in the form of photons, was absorbed by the ruby crystal ,causing the crystal medium to 'lase' and produce a bright coherent beam of great energy. The process of how this is exactly accomplished(the amplification process) is not really relevant to this discussion, but in this laser,the flashlamp's purpose was to " Pump" the ruby crystal. The crystal could not produce photons on its own,but needed an external light source. Lasers that operate like these are called " Solid State" laser [ Continued ] View Rest Of Post | ||||
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Brutu5 15:22:46 Sat Sep 2 2006 Offline 232 posts BBMG Brigadier General * Reply |
Just ordered one of those green lasers. Are they really that powerful????
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vstk57 09:03:00 Wed Aug 30 2006 Offline 101 posts BBMG Colonel Reply |
Hello DaveDrozd!
The reason you couldn't find anything is because I gave you the wrong eBay name.....sorry : ( Its " airsoftshooting" and he currently has this auction on now: http://cgi.ebay.com/ACTION-QD-Adjustable-532nm-VISIBLE-GREEN-Laser-Sight_W0QQitemZ270022647033QQihZ017QQcategoryZ71083QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem This is a really good unit in that it is a perfect clone of the real "sure-fire"laser-sight(made in the US), and that the housing of the laser manufactured in such a way that one cant tamper with the power-supply in an attempt to produce more power from the diode. I had only previously purchased a 35 milliwatt "up-graded" green-laser from another eBay seller. That turned out to be a disaster . When projected on a wall,it produced what looked like a flash-light beam with a brighter spot in the centre. The laser started to get warm and turned itself off every 30 seconds,making it basically useless; it would take 3 minutes before it would turn back on. The problem was that this laser had a poor quality diode in it from the start, and that someone had tweaked the power supply to increase the stock power from 10 milliwatts to 35 miliwatts. It takes less than a minute to make such an alteration. Some sellers will do this for you an additional cost of 15-20 dollars. I would strongly advise against doing this, as the diode in almost all of these lasers aren't of sufficient quality to handle the extra current required without over-heating.The one in the recomended auction is of such quality,but it is has been made tamper-resistant so I wouldn't suggest trying to modify it. Power isn't that relevant anyways. The 10mw green laser is 3 times brighter(if not more) to my eyes than is my 20mw red LED laser. Human eyes are at t [ Continued ] View Rest Of Post | ||||
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DaveDrozd 05:05:14 Wed Aug 30 2006 Offline 9 posts BBMG Private Reply |
vstk57,
I searched e-bay for the online store you mentioned but found nothing. Who is the other seller that makes these lasers? | ||||
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vstk57 11:02:08 Mon Aug 28 2006 Offline 101 posts BBMG Colonel Reply |
There is one thing with the "Sure-Fire" knock-offs that you might be wary of. There are about 11 variations on this sight that seem to share a common look, BUT, there is only one model that has the field-adjustable X-Y MOA rings.
Most of the cheapies, in the 50-75 dollar range, have a turned alloy body that has the look and even the instrumentation of the original laser engraved on to the vernier scales, but this is all for looks; all fake : (. In order to actually sight-in these 'fake' lasers, you have to remove the entire front head and access the laser through 2 small holes containing grub-screws,much like all the other red lasers on the market. The true Sure-Fire clone is currently sold by 2 sellers only(one is eHobbyChina AKA AirsoftShooting). I have purchased 2 Sure-Fires clones from him and they are fantastic quality for 124 dollars) The spot is blinding compared to the now dim looking red diode I always thought was the laser to end all lasers : ( Some hints if you decide to go elsewhere:: You will see different power ratings on some of the cheaper clones. The Sure-Fire puts out a consistent well regulated 10mw of power,which is more in daylight than you will ever need. The laser is stable,its a nice clean beam with no noise, good mode characteristics, low divergence ,and this is what is most desirable in a laser. Others ,that have advertised theirs as "modified to 20-50mw" ,are abusing the laser by overcranking the current from the power supply. One model overheats so badly that it turns itself off every 30seconds just to cool down and prevent damage. Don't expect more than a few hours total lifetime of these guys. I bought one and found out the hard way. Even if the seller is willing take a return/exchange on the scope,you sill have to ship it all the way back to Hong-Kong : ( There it still lots of room for the green diode lasers to come down in price, but if you want the same look and performance of the origin [ Continued ] View Rest Of Post | ||||
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evlweebl 09:40:53 Fri Aug 25 2006 Offline 140 posts BBMG Brigadier General * Reply |
Click through the last 10 or so pages of topics, there is soooo much info there it would answer most of the questions anyone may have about the Drozd. Hell... After reading it all myself I learned things I wouldn't think possible of a plain ol' yellow bb gun..
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NewDrozder 04:46:06 Fri Aug 25 2006 Offline 44 posts BBMG Corporal Reply |
Those new Green Lasers look sick also... with the x/y on the go adjustment capabilities....
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NewDrozder 03:45:28 Fri Aug 25 2006 Offline 44 posts BBMG Corporal Reply |
I was thinking about a tac light for critter control at night.
Have any of you guys used a Holo sight? I have read that holo sight allow for faster target aquisition. | ||||
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Brutu5 16:45:27 Thu Aug 24 2006 Offline 232 posts BBMG Brigadier General * Reply |
you can pick up some good picatinny rails from ebay
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Cole_bie 22:59:56 Wed Aug 23 2006 Offline 35 posts BBMG Corporal Reply |
Why a tac light? Anyways you can get rails anywhere. The cheapest place I have found them is at opsgear. They have 8 inches of rail for 5 bucks. They arent metal, but a type of polymer. Really strong.
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NewDrozder 21:47:59 Wed Aug 23 2006 Offline 44 posts BBMG Corporal Reply |
How do I go about adding a rail under the gun.. eg. where do I get the rail?
I would like to add a tactical light. Would the rail be the place for that? | ||||
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Brutu5 16:12:34 Wed Aug 23 2006 Offline 232 posts BBMG Brigadier General * Reply |
Personally i wouldnt bother with a scope, it bulks up the gun and you dont really have much use for it.
I'd get a red dot and see if you can squeeze in a laser somewhere(add another rail under the gun is best) Then again, every one is different | ||||
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NewDrozder 13:43:52 Wed Aug 23 2006 Offline 44 posts BBMG Corporal Reply |
I am a new Drozd owner and am looking to add an aiming modification. I want to see what people on this forum had to say about it. I am consitering the folowing:
A red dot sight, a Laser site, any suggestions on models or brands? Or the Gamo Varmint Hunter kit (4 power scope, laser sight, torch light, and pressure cables) view it at http://www.airgunwarehouseinc.com/gavahukit.htmlwhich This only Mounts on any 3/8 inch dovetail mount. Would that fit on the Drozd? Any Feedback would be greatly apreciated! Happy Blasting! | ||||
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