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DUBB  00:25:12 Mon Nov 14 2011 Offline 1399 posts BBMG MASTER BLASTER +1000 Reply |
Very, I am into lasers. I just love those 1.5 watt, 445nm blue diodes that they harvest out of the pico-DLP projectors. Having a lot of fun with those. 
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Sergey_new_pcb 21:09:03 Sun Nov 13 2011 Offline 287 posts BBMG Major General **  Reply |
Yes, there is a laser in my new project but no, it's not a gun at all
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drozdandconfused  16:09:49 Sun Nov 13 2011 Offline 728 posts BBMG General ****  Reply |
Upon further review, you're right, no Sergey boards. How about the lasertag, you involved?
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Sergey_new_pcb 02:45:28 Sun Nov 13 2011 Offline 287 posts BBMG Major General ** Reply |
None of the guns below was equipped with Sergey's board. Russian boards owners don't tend to show up, sometimes they send me their photographs but their quality is poor, I don't post them here.
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camracer  00:26:00 Sun Nov 13 2011 Offline 3515 posts BBMG LIFE BLASTER +2000  Reply |
Cool finds DnC!
Did you catch that first video of how he was destroying his barrel? Alignment off. Got the "sparks" coming out the muzzle....
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drozdandconfused 16:25:52 Sat Nov 12 2011 Offline 728 posts BBMG General **** Reply |
Some videos of Sergey's board and other Drozds from our comrades:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg2NRT5cFE8&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bP-GQoxb0Y&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxJLGeKANzs&NR=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10q5eG53gx0&NR=1 Wait til you see this. This might be compatible with a digital target setup: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tlBf8wM6qI&NR=1 Sergey, is this what your working on? and the MP-562K: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZnK2xKJ9C4&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaAjRtmuoGc&NR=1 and who said there ain't no cowboys in Russia: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lryOtcL5KME&feature=related | ||||
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SONYtec 04:48:52 Sat Nov 12 2011 Offline 3558 posts BBMG LIFE BLASTER +2000 .gif) Reply |
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camracer 01:28:43 Sat Nov 12 2011 Offline 3515 posts BBMG LIFE BLASTER +2000 Reply |
For sure! .......My mom said I couldn't have my bb gun in the house 'cause she was afraid I was gonna' shoot someone's eye out.....
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radical  21:57:32 Fri Nov 11 2011 Offline 4306 posts BBMG LIFE BLASTER +2000  Reply |
There are you tube Drozd, and bb vids that you can run for here.
Also you cant refect upon here the avg age here(bekind0. Errrrr.... may want to screen whats on the forum :P | ||||
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ZqpT 13:06:03 Fri Nov 11 2011 Offline 3 posts BBMG Newbie Reply |
man i want it so bad but i dont know if my mom will let me get it if you dont show me a website
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DUBB 06:17:23 Sat Nov 5 2011 Offline 1399 posts BBMG MASTER BLASTER +1000 Reply |
Well, Bob had one suggestion, he has used a board maker called Olimex, that are a competitive alternative to the Chinese, as he put it "Euroweenies", so they are certainly closer. Anyway, he has been into designing electronics for a long time, and has probalby used almost all of the available board stampers, so I'll put it out there.
http://www.olimex.com/pcb/
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SONYtec 13:20:07 Fri Nov 4 2011 Offline 3558 posts BBMG LIFE BLASTER +2000 Reply |
Dubb the way he is doing it, is easier for the quantity that he sells.
The photo process you are taking about uses different chemicals, and process that is not economical for a one or two, here and there. It is a great way of doing it though. I made a bunch of boards when i was in school that way. Had a pattern from a book that I photocopied, made a positive for it. Then you put a film on the board, expose it with the pattern overlay. Then it's off to the chemicals. I did a double sided PCB, had to make sure the two patterns were placed correctly. I have to look and see if I still have that hanging around, sure I do.
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DUBB 12:09:00 Fri Nov 4 2011 Offline 1399 posts BBMG MASTER BLASTER +1000 Reply |
My friend belonged to a "club", for lack of a better word for it, where a group of designers would share an order, combining their different projects into a single, large printed board, to share the cost and such. Is that a co-op? I don't know, but I do know that there are lots of people that are into it. I think you would like my friend Bob, Sergey. You and he are about the only two people that I know that I know are smarter than I am. I feel for you guys, though, I at least have the two of you to ask when I occasionally have a real question, but who can you get advice from? I guess if that should occur, you are just going to have to do your own studies. Beyond your level lies only big companies, and they aren't going to tell you their secrets, now are they?
So why haven't you tried photolithography, it seems to me that it would expediate your process considerably, once you have a stencil made up for your design, wouldn't it? I suppose it is kind of messy, but it is certainly consistant, and the etching is chemical, right? I understand that it takes time to develop it, but it isn't like you have to work at it, or anything, you just expose it, and wait, right? Bob made me read up on the subject, so I wouldn't have to ask so many questions, and the ones I did ask wouldn't be really stupid questions. It's very interesting stuff, to me. I am just amazed by what you do.
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SONYtec 04:39:06 Fri Nov 4 2011 Offline 3558 posts BBMG LIFE BLASTER +2000 Reply |
PM sent.
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Sergey_new_pcb 02:58:56 Fri Nov 4 2011 Offline 287 posts BBMG Major General ** Reply |
Thanks. I've already prepared that Eagle file, it's ready for mass production. If demand suddenly grows or in case someone starts a big advertisment campaign for these boards so they become well known, I'll HAVE TO start making them in volumes and I'm almost ready for this (but first I'd like to finish my new project, it's very interesting).
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DUBB 00:10:50 Fri Nov 4 2011 Offline 1399 posts BBMG MASTER BLASTER +1000 Reply |
I have a very good old friend who is very old shcool, he is into prototyping electronics and controllers, and has been into that for longer than I have even been alive. He knows all the Chinese, and has skills, I'll ask him about drawing up a negative for photolithography, a master template. I've seen him do that, and once he has one, then he makes a master that replicates that pattern as to make as many as possible on a single standard size sheet, right? They'll preferate them so that you just break the sheets into may individual boards each. I'll see what he thinks and send you a pm, Sergey, my friend does this all the time, and knows the business. He uses a software called Eagle, or something that is the idustry standard, it'w what the Chinese want for their master templates and such.
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drozdblackbeard 22:55:40 Thu Nov 3 2011 Offline 19 posts BBMG Private 1st Class Reply |
So I'm only sharing this with you guys because nobody else on earth would care, and it could arguably be a pretty cool mod for Sergey...
I was using a JT 90 g CO2 cartridge and it was running low and firing pressure was becoming erratic and then I see two BBs collide in mid air about 3 meters in front of me, causing one to fly off about 45 degrees to the right the other 45 degrees to the left. So it got me thinking, with Sergey's board already able to adjust the fps, it wouldn't take much for him to add an "insanity mode" where it wildly changes the fps between each shot causing bbs to collide into each other and fly off in all manner of forward directions starting at all sorts of different distances. Dangerous as hell and a horrible idea, but don't tell me it wouldn't be cool for those rare special occasions when you could shoot it safely. | ||||
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radical 21:06:51 Thu Nov 3 2011 Offline 4306 posts BBMG LIFE BLASTER +2000 Reply |
***Sergey, save aside a board for me. I will be getting ready to send you the funds. ***
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SONYtec 20:10:39 Thu Nov 3 2011 Offline 3558 posts BBMG LIFE BLASTER +2000 Reply |
Always interested in what's new.
Thanks for the info about your board Sergey. I will send you a PM later, when I am on my other computer.
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radical 18:35:13 Thu Nov 3 2011 Offline 4306 posts BBMG LIFE BLASTER +2000 Reply |
Thanks for the update Serge. Very curious on your new project. Will be watching-Rad
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Sergey_new_pcb 17:03:28 Thu Nov 3 2011 Offline 287 posts BBMG Major General ** Reply |
Greetings gentlemen and ladies (if any).
I apologise for being quiet for so long -- I'm working on a new project and I LLLLLLove it. Sorry, I can't tell you now what it is, it's not related to airguns but when it's done I'll post the video that'll explain everything. The job is 95% done. Right, I still make the boards manually drawing the traces with paint using very thin glass tube. It's a stone age technology but it's suitable as long as the boards remain experimental and not well known among Drozd owners. By the way, the boards consistency is good enough even with that technology. I have two requests for what the boards price would be in case I start mass production, I haven't replied to these messages yet 'cause i was involved in that new job and had no time to contact local or Chinese boards manufacturers. DrozdBlackBeard, welcome to this nice community. Don't be afraid of it, I've recently received two letters form people who just installed the boards, they were saying it first looked scary but turned out not so difficult. I asked them to share their experience with others. GD, hold on, we need you here! Sergey. | ||||
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DUBB 16:46:39 Thu Nov 3 2011 Offline 1399 posts BBMG MASTER BLASTER +1000 Reply |
That's how photolithography works. It uses a stencil, and you expose it to a light source. It starts the etching with a stencil.
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SONYtec 15:46:25 Thu Nov 3 2011 Offline 3558 posts BBMG LIFE BLASTER +2000 Reply |
I was refering to the CNC cutting the body for the LED window, and buttons. sorry for the confusion in my posts, was tired.
If Sergey's PCB's were mass produced, instead of him having to draw the pattern on each PCB then there would be consistancy in the boards, the parts would be in the same location. This would allow a CNC to be programmed once, cut every body the same, making it easier to do.
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DUBB 14:14:51 Thu Nov 3 2011 Offline 1399 posts BBMG MASTER BLASTER +1000 Reply |
I don't think they use cnc machines to make pcb boards, it's done by photolithography. I'm almost certain that's how Sergey does it, and he is damn good at it. That does mean that he has a photonegative image drawn out, that can be used to make the actual boards. I read up on how this is done, at some point, for some reason. It was interesting to me. I hae actually been meaning to ask Sergey if he does it by positive, or negative exposure.
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SONYtec 02:11:46 Thu Nov 3 2011 Offline 3558 posts BBMG LIFE BLASTER +2000 Reply |
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SONYtec 01:57:39 Thu Nov 3 2011 Offline 3558 posts BBMG LIFE BLASTER +2000 Reply |
CNC is the way to go, get a few people that need it done, and jsut crank them out. If Sergey were to get the boards all like a production run, where every board was the same in respect to the location of the parts, that would make it even easier. I know there are places in the USA that make PCB's, they would be identical.
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SONYtec 01:54:01 Thu Nov 3 2011 Offline 3558 posts BBMG LIFE BLASTER +2000 Reply |
OK.
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drozdandconfused 23:38:39 Wed Nov 2 2011 Offline 728 posts BBMG General **** Reply |
Thanks SONYtec. I think it can be done without the CNC with a drill press and using the rubber buttons or the plastic ones that come with the board. Like how cam did it with the four holes drilled first to frame the window. The only difficult part is hand cutting and filing the plexiglass to fit snug without scratching it. The rest is pretty basic. | ||||||
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radical 21:11:49 Wed Nov 2 2011 Offline 4306 posts BBMG LIFE BLASTER +2000 Reply |
DrozdBlackBeard
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SONYtec 19:23:57 Wed Nov 2 2011 Offline 3558 posts BBMG LIFE BLASTER +2000 Reply |
I really want a JimC hi-cap mag, don't want to draw power to operate a magazine. DBB??? You mean Dubb? I love the way Drozdandconfused did his, that is FREAKIN' AWSOME!!!  I gotta start on my projects to get them done, but too lazy after working all week. 
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drozdblackbeard 19:03:40 Wed Nov 2 2011 Offline 19 posts BBMG Private 1st Class Reply |
Thanks, didn't know he did the Sergey board, too. (Ray installed my mod full auto mod chip when I bought my Drozd from his site.) Q | ||||||
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