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Another odd problem ( 23:07:31 ThuJan 30 2003 )

I've been making some changes in our temporary forum before making the changes on the real one and something weird has happened. In the 'edit text' list, everything below send is empty and it's impossible to fill anything in. It messes up a lot of things! It doesn't matter for this temp board, but I don't want to accidently do it on the real one.
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Re: Another odd problem ( 02:43:59 FriJan 31 2003 )

Ok Anne, leave it as is and BbBoy can peek in and troubleshoot that for you. As that sounds like something only he can do. :smile:

  
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Re: Another odd problem ( 01:18:05 SunFeb 2 2003 )

Ok, we've been trying to make changes on my real board in a temporary forum and the same sort of thing has happened. First it seemed to get 'corrupt'-wierd symbols showing up on the page and now it's completely blank! If I go to edit template for this forum-I get a blank page except for the header. It's very strange. The forum that is weird is:
http://azure.bbboy.net/sauk-viewforum?forum=26
Another one which has started to become corrupt is:
http://azure.bbboy.net/sauk-viewforum?forum=28

I'll get the mod that was helping me to post the template html. All we can think is that there is a limit in the amount of text u can put in the template????

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Re: Another odd problem ( 01:38:51 SunFeb 2 2003 )

Hiya, yeah it was me who reedited some templates, not the most effecient way, but the code works fine outside of the template and kinda works ok inside it too, but then it starts getting corrupt, and effectively bleeding into other areas like the footer, and then into other fields as well like the edit text boxes.

I can only assume as mentioned there may be some html limit, maybe on physical text size of it or something? I can give u the template html code if you can't check from the links above, but obviously it shouldn't affect other fields. Just some clarification on the size may be enough as I can probably write the html a lot more efficient without duplicating lots of stuff, but as said no matter what it shouldn't affect other areas, and should prevent me using long messy code if theres a restriction on it :smile:

  
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Re: Another odd problem ( 22:40:58 WedFeb 5 2003 )

Hi, I think Pizza figured out how to work around this, but it'd be helpful if we knew what went wrong....
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Re: Another odd problem ( 23:16:32 WedFeb 5 2003 )

Looking at the link above I see that you've removed the headspace and don't even have a BODY tag in the template-I suggest going over to the BbSample board to get the codes you need to fix that in the template...If you've edited all the forums there-either go into the forum specific templates and click 'Revert back to Board Template' once you've readded the missing codes...Make sure the url's there point to your server and board ID, not the sample ones. :smile:

Did you remove half of the edit text or what happened to make that (the bottom half it looked like) all disappear? I thought BbBoy had replaced all that for you days ago...This other trouble though is with your HTML in the template. Go in there and open a window to the sample board's template and add back the missing links. :smile:

  
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Re: Another odd problem ( 23:24:20 WedFeb 5 2003 )

It might help to pin point the problem if you also run the page(s) through an HTML validator such as Dr Watson. :smile:

  
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Re: Another odd problem ( 22:03:29 ThuFeb 6 2003 )

'Did you remove half of the edit text or what happened to make that (the bottom half it looked like) all disappear?'

It just disappeared-as far as I know BBoy hasn't fixed it. I haven't seen any changes since I posted originally.

Also, if you look at the template for: http://azure.bbboy.net/sauk-viewforum?forum=28
You'll see that half of the header has moved (by itself) to the footer... ?????

And I can't edit this template at all!!!:
http://azure.bbboy.net/sauk-viewforum?forum=26

Pizza knows more about this, so I'll ask him to give more details....

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Re: Another odd problem ( 22:51:34 ThuFeb 6 2003 )

Hiya, I rewrote the code to be more efficient as a work around as mentioned. Problem is at a later stage if we want to add more html there will be problems, as there appears to be a size limit.

I've replicated the problem using only your sample template code.

If you want to test...use the sample template as linked above, then copy/paste just the table section from it and repeat (i.e from the <table> to </table>. It will be fine for the first few. After so many times, it will bleed into the the footer, even though you have never pasted anything into the footer, and you will see it appear in there (tho u may have to scroll down to see it)

Thats with none of my code, just duplicating a valid table from the bbboy sample, and it looks very likely there's some kind of size limit, before it starts to move into other fields.

  
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Re: Another odd problem ( 22:53:16 ThuFeb 6 2003 )

p.s when i say after so many times, I mean you may even need to do it 30 times, but that should still be valid. If there's a size limit, I guess I'd just like to know what it is, to prevent me coding something too excessive.

  
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Re: Another odd problem ( 23:16:35 ThuFeb 6 2003 )

There is no size limit as far as I am aware, but invalid code will always create problems. Did you try running the pages through the validator as I suggested? :smile:

The corrupt forum(s) will most likely have to be deleted by BbBoy - if you could just confirm for us their names (and forum numbers), we can then evaluate them and make a decision as to whether they can be corrected or whether deletion will be necessary. I see you've mentioned 26 and 28 - are these the only ones? :smile:

  
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Re: Another odd problem ( 23:27:36 ThuFeb 6 2003 )

Hmm, just rereading your post, are you saying that you can reproduce this "bleeding" effect on our sample board?

Looking briefly at your code, I note that it's "spread out" more than somewhat. I haven't checked it for validity (we don't really have the time to do that), but would condensing it more help the problem?

Looking again, it appears your header starts with a table tag and the style tags and body tag are way down below - is that how you entered the code originally, or has it become corrupt somehow?

  
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Re: Another odd problem ( 23:53:25 ThuFeb 6 2003 )

I couldn't actually find any template (board or forum), where the html code looks correct, by which I mean coded in the correct order:

(a) Style tags and definitions
(b) Opening body tag
(c) Table codes and content etc

in the Header and

(a) Stuff that you want to appear at the bottom
(b) Closing tags as necessary

in the Footer

There should not be any opening body tags or style definitions in the Footer.

  
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Re: Another odd problem ( 23:54:04 ThuFeb 6 2003 )

Yes, I've just tested it on your sample forum (which by the time u read this I think will be reset), and it's done the same thing, after so many its bled into the footer. Thats none of my code, just copy/pasting a table/close table that u have on the sample, do it enough times and it will bleed over. It seems to take maybe one extra edit which helps screw it up. If you want to arrange a time I can show u in realtime or something so u can see the page, let me know and I'll give u my contact details (or pm me for the next hour or so if u want)

  
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Re: Another odd problem ( 23:55:57 ThuFeb 6 2003 )

thats also keeping all of you header/footers etc.

The problem is u are looking at code which is getting corrupted in itself, so its probably best u recreate the scenario yourself to see what I mean.

  
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Re: Another odd problem ( 23:58:49 ThuFeb 6 2003 )

Here is the footer shown below, I've copied from the sample forum which will reset. This is just the footer. I have not edited or touched any of the footer at all.


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oard. Feel free to playor=#20b2aa><tdctions (Click "Admin" below), and get a feel for the board.
<br><br><font size=3><b>Please note that this board automatically returns to the default state every 15 minutes.</b></font></td></tr></table>

<table align=center width=99% border=0 class=nobord><tr bgcolor=#20b2aa><td align=center>This is the sample board. Feel free to play around with admin functions (Click "Admin" below), and get a feel for the board.
<br><br><font size=3><b>Please note that this board automatically returns to the default state every 15 minutes.</b></font></td></tr></table>

<table align=center width=99% border=0 class=nobord><tr bgcolor=#20b2aa><td align=center>This is the sample board. Feel free to play around with admin functions (Click "Admin" below), and get a feel for the board.
<br><br><font size=3><b>Please note that this board automatically returns to the default state every 15 minutes.</b></font></td></tr></table>












  
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Re: Another odd problem ( 01:33:08 FriFeb 7 2003 )

I will double check with BbBoy if there is any limit on html and we will independently test the sample board. If there IS a limit, we'll of course let you know what it is. I have a great deal of code, including several scripts, on my own board and have never had a problem personally.

I've also asked him to look at forums 26 and 28 for you - and see whether deletion is the only option left, or whether he can simply remove all the custom html for you, so you can start again.

That's really the limit of what we can do for you at this point - we help with board technical problems, not html coding problems.

  
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Re: Another odd problem ( 01:38:17 FriFeb 7 2003 )

Do you want the two forum 26 & 28 deleted? There is no size limit and at the moment BbBoy is going over your edit text to reset it-so that will be taken care of shortly. Did you want those forums deleted?

  
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Re: Another odd problem ( 02:32:43 FriFeb 7 2003 )

Hiya, we can give u a definitive list of those forums which need to be deleted if we can't ourselves (I imagine most can but thats not the issue), there's a couple more, but pretty much all of them were created as test forums for exactly this kind of purpose (so it didnt mess up the main forums). It's not impacting the site at the moment, except for the fact we don't want to make any changes on the main live site which will cause similar problems as we are seeing here.

Hence I'm happy to leave them for the moment - these are tests, and we'll give u a list of them all willingly if there are any we can't delete, but really you keeping saying this is an html coding problem when it clearly isn't is stifling the fix. If I can use your sample code and create the problem any time I want to, then let me know when you have corrected your sample code, then I shall amend mine to stay inline with the corrections you have made to your template. As I say, I can recreate the problem any time you wish with your own sample html code. You say there is no size limit, so I can only say your sample code is incorrect (which is actually fine), or maybe there is another problem related to the db?

As a simple example here is your html, all i've done is copied your own table to increase the size. You can display it in any web browser, or do it yourself.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/i.brierley/sampletemplate.htm

Just do a view source, and copy into your sample template header (as thats where I copied it from) and check the result and also the footer to see if its bled into it.

  
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Re: Another odd problem ( 02:45:02 FriFeb 7 2003 )

Whatever you did to the sample board succeeded in preventing it from resetting itself. I've now corrected that problem, so that it's available to other users again.

I would suggest that pasting 30 instances of the same table code into a header is NOT a very good way to prove that the copious and totally different html code on your board is correct. Neither is it a realistic comparison or test.

I suggested this politely before and you appear to have ignored me, but I'll try it again. Please run any page of your board through an HTML validator.

When you've decided which forums you want deleted, let us know and we'll attend to it for you.

  

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