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Re: Another odd problem ( 10:22:45 FriFeb 7 2003 )

"Hmm, just rereading your post, are you saying that you can reproduce this "bleeding" effect on our sample board?"

You asked me this question earlier.

I then reproduced it to test as you have asked with your own code (with is fine validated code). Then you seem to slate me for trying to reproduce the problem?

You effectively seem to be saying that the board cannot cope with 30 tables. If thats a restriction, I have no problem with it, I just want to have a rough idea what it is, so I don't design something that a) won't work and b) has a chance of corrupting a db. If this screws up a sample board, imagine what it can do to customers boards.

Here is the response to the HTML validator link you posed above with the code.

Checking server response ...
Server response

Response code from http://homepage.ntlworld.com/i.brierley/sampletemplate.htm
OK (code 200)

So there is the validated HTML code causing a problem.

Believe it or not, I'm only trying to help, and was reproducing the problem as asked. My apologies for the problem caused, if I had known this would happen, I obviously wouldn't have done it, but as you asked me if I could do it, I'm a little surprised by your reaction :sad:.

  
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Re: Another odd problem ( 10:46:46 FriFeb 7 2003 )

I think I can delete the test forums, no problem. We just wanted to find out what was wrong with them before we make any changes to our real forums.
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Re: Another odd problem ( 11:01:56 FriFeb 7 2003 )

The *problem* is with your board, not the sample board...

I can only reiterate that you should run your code through an HTML validator. We really can't do any more here, except to delete any forums you want deleted (if you're not able to), which we are very happy to do.

  
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Re: Another odd problem ( 11:08:37 FriFeb 7 2003 )

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We just wanted to find out what was wrong with them before we make any changes to our real forums.

I think we've made it clear that you need to look to your html coding ...

  
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Re: Another odd problem ( 11:50:32 FriFeb 7 2003 )

Argh, I've used validated code, I've used your own code, I've used my own code, both validated, both produce the same problem. The same problem happens if you use too much of anything whether it be just a few tables and lots of table records, or lots of tables, or lots of anything. The conclusion is there is a size restriction. I can reproduce this on any forum anwhere with validated code. You can keep saying its a problem with my html coding, but the problem happens when I use YOUR validated code as well.

Maybe we'd best just call it quits (I'm happy to continue any with any help via e-mail or any instant messenger if u want away from the forums to track down the problem, just pm me and I'll give details), and I'll live with the knowledge there is a security problem and take enough precautions to work around it.

I know you think its my code, but I've even spent this morning reducing it to a 100% totally validated code, even more than the sample template, and there is still the same problem, but there's obviously nothing more I can do to help if you are insistant that its the code.

  
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Re: Another odd problem ( 17:51:18 FriFeb 7 2003 )

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I couldn't actually find any template (board or forum), where the html code looks correct, by which I mean coded in the correct order:

(a) Style tags and definitions
(b) Opening body tag
(c) Table codes and content etc

in the Header and

(a) Stuff that you want to appear at the bottom
(b) Closing tags as necessary

in the Footer

There should not be any opening body tags or style definitions in the Footer.

Have you addressed the above issues?

Your two boards both have the same problem, but nobody else has reported anything similar. I think with 10,000+ boards on the network, if there were an issue with maximum html allowed, we'd have heard about it before now, don't you agree?

You say you've validated your code - you may have done so for individual bits of it, but it's the way it all hangs together that really counts. That's why you have to submit a whole page to a validator.




  
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Re: Another odd problem ( 19:23:48 FriFeb 7 2003 )

Hiya, thanks for the reply, I'm honestly not trying to be awkward, I'm just a stubborn mule :biggrin:.

Yes I've addressed those issues as mentioned. We've basically stopped all work on the main site and just concentrating on the temporary site now until we're happy there's no chance of affecting our main board adversely.

If you want to see a couple of the examples of rewritten code I've done, which when put together will pass the validator fine, you can see them on the temp board in the url's below.

Here is an example of a basic template type thing I'd been working on for our site.... http://azure.bbboy.net/satemp , that template looks exactly how I want it as a basis. But I want to add more links on some other forums.

Now if I try and use a validated code which is too long, i.e simply put it just has more table records it will end up like this http://azure.bbboy.net/satemp-viewforum?forum=6 .

Both of the validated sources can be found below
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/i.brierley/sa-final3.htm
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/i.brierley/sa-final3verylong.htm
feel free to paste them into the norton html validator, as well as open them in your own browser, then try pasting the 2nd source into the template keeping the same format as the first.

You will find that the fields get corrupt, and html from the header actually will appear in the footer after the closing tags. Thats isn't me doing that, its the forum. Try it on your own test forum is the only way I can suggest you can see for yourself, or do your own html code to test the theory if you're not happy with mine. (thats why I previously used only your own code which caused the same problem to make sure it wasn't on my forum or my code causing the problem).

I know you may find it surprising no one else has found this problem before, but all I can suggest is try it, because I can't make it not happen with enough code.

  
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Re: Another odd problem ( 21:43:41 FriFeb 7 2003 )

As I explained earlier, we are not here to examine, test or evaluate your custom html.

From a cursory glance at the first link you gave, it's obvious to me that you don't really understand how an html page should be structured.

For instance, it should NOT have style definitions in the middle of table code, as well as before the body tag, and the footer should not look like this:

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</table></table></table></body></html>


That bit of code indicates that you don't fully understand how nested tables work and I also note that you have a new table being started immediately after a closing table row tag!

Incidentally, I pasted that table code into our sample board's template - 30 times as you suggested - and there was no sign of any "bleeding".

While I certainly don't wish to seem unhelpful, I really don't think anything useful can be gained from further discussion here, so I'm closing this thread and can only suggest that you strip ALL your custom code out and begin again. Please start a new thread if you need any corrupt forums deleted.

  

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