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Re: Survival of the smartest ( 17:31:01 ThuFeb 28 2002 )

Well, I think I am just about sold on this. Not ready to move my board yet because I think it'd be a lot of work, but I'll try making one here and seeing how it goes. Right now a certain other board service is slow as molasses AGAIN, and their image hosting has been down a couple of times this week, and I've about had it.:smash:
I like your security features here, I think the other services are way behind.

  
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Re: Survival of the smartest ( 18:36:26 ThuFeb 28 2002 )

Hi fluffysue!

I recognize you from somewhere. :wink: And am glad you found us here. I know nowadays security is priority one and that is one thing we've definitely taken into consideration here. All the tools we now have at a board owner's disposal can definitely stump would be cyber-vandals BEFORE they can do any damage. :wink:

We've also done some things to make it faster here and I have to tell you I am very glad I moved two of my three boards here. :wink: Waiting on the other one to have it's paid time expire but it's counterpart here already exists. :wink: I agree with you that it is a lot of work, but man when you are all done and start h aving fun again it is like falling in love with your board all over again!

Or so it was for me once we got things all settled. :wink:

  
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Re: Survival of the smartest ( 15:26:08 FriMar 1 2002 )

Hi, Pam. Seems I am seeing familiar people all over the place here. :lol:

Thank you for telling me all that, good to know. :smile: I made a little board to play with so I could become familiar with it before either moving mine, or starting a real one here. And I have to say I like the features, and they are pretty easy to use. So even if I don't ultimately move mine, I will definitely stay around here. :rotflmao:

  
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Re: Survival of the smartest ( 00:56:00 SunMar 3 2002 )

I agree fluffysue, a lot of familiar faces around here lately. :smile: Saw you over at the sample board-what did you think of it? Kinda unexpected to suddenly be a admin isn't it? :lol: That was something neat we wanted to have for people to explore the controls a bit. :smile:

If you want to check out some already active boards check out the ones in my signature and in my board rings. :wink:

  
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Re: Survival of the smartest ( 07:43:55 MonMar 4 2002 )

Hello, I have a couple of questions about bestboards. I am considering moving my board here from ****** but it will be alot of work so I need more info before I make a major change like that.
I hope this is the correct place to ask them. :smile:

1. About how many users does bestboards have currently? One of the things I do like still about ******s is the big pool of global users who can become members on my board without having to register at my individual board. So I am wondering how big a pool of potential members does bestboard have at the moment? (of course hopefully my existing members would come with me if I moved)

2. Someone mentioned that if anyone even threatens to hack a board, they will be globally banned and therefore will not be able to read any boards. This confuses me because I am not even registered and I can read all the boards in the showcase forum, so couldn't a globally banned person just log out and read the boards as a guest, like I am doing? Banning their username and email wouldn't prevent them from reading would it, only from posting? (I know bestboards has their version of MBA but I'm referring to public boards)
The other question about this is what happens if someone makes a false accusation against someone? Do you require actual proof or evidence before you globally ban someone who was reported to be threatning to hack, or do you just beleive the accuser?

3. I read somewhere else, don't remember where, that someone claimed bestboards is 'hackproof'. Of course nothing is truly hackproof, even the US govt computers have been hacked, but better security than ****** has would be a motivation to move.
So in what way is it hackproof? I read your message about hackers getting globally banned here, but a global ban on a user would not prevent them from hacking, only from posting.

4. Is there any 'forgot password' feature on bestboards? It seems like that is how alot of ******s get hacked. Do you email passwords to the owner if they request a lost password, do you have a secret question, or how does that work?

5. The service here seems good so far, from what I've seen, alot of one-on-one help. About how many boards are currently on bestboards and how many staff are there for customer service? A high staff-to-users ratio is good, but it costs money. ******s used to have good service until they got so huge, bestboards looks small right now, will you be able to keep this high level of service if you get like a million users?

6. I see you have a free board option and a paid board option. The free boards don't have too many ads right now, compared to ******. I am wondering, are the free boards, with the ads you have on there now, are they supporting themselves? ****** always claims the free boards are bleeding money even with so many pop ups and stuff on them, and Aimoo completely discontinued their free boards because they were losing money. So do you forsee bestboards being able to continue the free boards with the current level of ads?

7. Is bestboards in the black or in the red? I realize this may be a personal question, but so many message boards have gone out of business, I don't want to go to all the work moving here only to find it closed down in 6 months. I'd feel alot safer moving here if I knew this company was at least breaking even.

well that's about it for now, I know that's alot of questions but I hope not too many! :glasses:

  
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Re: Survival of the smartest ( 08:54:34 MonMar 4 2002 )

Wow, long post :smile:

1) We have approx 4500 user accounts. But that doesn't mean they'd all come to your board - but hopefully most of your current ones would hop over. :smile:

2) Yes, any registered user will be banned from posting and viewing any board. No, we can't do anything about guests, as they haven't agreed to the terms of use as registered users do when they sign up. But options for guests are very very limited; most they can do is view and post if you've enabled guest posting. :smile:

Yes, we require proof - like an unedited post with the thread in there, or e-mail with full headers. It'd just be too easy for someone to say "X wants to hack me!" and X gets banned. :smile:

3) True, nothing is hack proof. But using our security features, a hacker would have a pretty tough time ahead of him. For example, admins have the ability to set a special admin password, so that any important admin event requires the use of that password. So even if a hacker gets the password of one of your admins, he's pretty stuck as he doesn't know the main admin password.

And the "Only log me in once" options works pretty good too - that'll stop anyone from logging into your account when you're already logged into it. At a rival message board system, the way they "hacked" was to get someone's password, and log into their account. They wouldn't be able to if the user had this options turned on. Naturally, it's highly recommended to turn it on. :smile:

And backups can be a huge deterrant. We do daily, weekly and monthly backups, and you personally can download a backup file, as well as backup your board at any time you wish here on the server, and have automatic backups whenever an important admin event is made. What's the point in hacking it if it can be restored from a backup several seconds before the hack? :smile: Restorals are done as soon as I get them, and they don't take a week or two, as it seems to take other message board provider(s). In fact, you can do them yourself in your admin centre.

And a global ban would prevent them from viewing too, when logged into their account. :smile:

4) Yes, we have forgot password. But, if you want to get your password, and you don't have access to your orig e-mail address, you'll have to give me some proof it's really you, then I'll give you the password myself.

5) Approx 400 boards, 2 staff.

6) Yes, the free boards are quite easily paying for themselves. We're actually getting quite a good CTR on normal banners - probably because they're placed a bit down the page rather than right at the top where nobody ever looks. And the popups do their thing. :smile: Yes, I would say that we'll be able to keep on with the free boards. :smile:

7) Making a reasonable profit acually. :smile:

  
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Re: Survival of the smartest ( 09:50:20 MonMar 4 2002 )

Wow, that sounds really good - I was going to set up an ******, since i have been to lots, but now i am not sure. a rfiend of mines board was hacked and deleted!!!

Can i ask a couple of questions too? This only log me in once option - does than mean that if you are logged in on your computer at home, and shut it down without logging out, then go to work and try and log on you can't?

What about brute force crackings?

I really like the special admin password - I've seen this suggested at ******, but no-one from there ever said anything about it. Does this mean that the whole board is protected from someone who gets an admins account because they can't log into the control center?]

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Re: Survival of the smartest ( 10:56:47 MonMar 4 2002 )

Yup, if you shut down without logging out, then try to log on from another computer, you won't be able to, unless you send me an e-mail and to get you un-blocked. :smile: Good practice to log out if you're going to be on another computer next, but if you're only ever logged in on one computer, then you can never log out, that way you're protected even when you're asleep etc.

Brute force would be the same situation as someone gguessing the password - if you've blocked logins, and you're already logged in, it won't get in even when it's found the right password. And if you're not logged in, it still won't be able to get in to important admin events if you have the admin password in place. :smile:

That's actually something to think about - I think I'll include an anti-brute force thing in the next version, preventing something like more than 10 attempted (failed) logins a minute or something.

Basically, all the important admin events are protected - deleting/clearing forums, editing the core board settings, restoring backups, deleting/banning/admin'ing/mod'ing members, etc. An admin who doesn't know the admin password can't do very much, except maybe turn on/off the news fader and add emoticons. :wink:

  
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Re: Survival of the smartest ( 11:07:56 MonMar 4 2002 )

But the log me in only once is an option, right? I forget to log out from my home computer, and only i use it.

I always log out if i use my comp at work, but if I came into work and couldn't log in becoz i didnt log out at home, then i would be pretty upset since i couldnt post

I guess i could just make two IDs up.

I was looking at one of the boards in pamsters sig like she said, and it's not a good example of customisation for what i wnat, since it's a bit busy, backgrounds and the like, stuff everywhere... are there any really professional looking boards I can look at to see how good it can look?

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Re: Survival of the smartest ( 11:15:18 MonMar 4 2002 )

Yup, it's an option. :smile: Look in your User CP under "Security".

I have no idea - I don't look at them all. Maybe have a play ion the sample board's admin centre and see what you can do. :smile:

  
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Re: Survival of the smartest ( 22:36:04 MonMar 4 2002 )

Thanks for answering my questions.
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1) wow 4500 users is not many, like you say hopefully my members will come with me but that is not many potential new members. Something to think about anyway.

2) Ok, now I understand, so basically a globally banned person can't view boards while they are logged in, but they can just log out or make a new account with a new email adress and they would be again able to view all boards. Just like ******.
And I am glad you do require proof before globally banning someone, because people do like to lie sometimes. :ohwell:

3) About that special admin password to do any control center actions: is there a forgot password feature for that too? If someone was able to hack my account password using the 'forget password' couldn't they also hack my admin password?
The backups and restorals sound very good!

4)
"Yes, we have forgot password. But, if you want to get your password, and you don't have access to your orig e-mail address, you'll have to give me some proof it's really you, then I'll give you the password myself."
Does this mean if I do have access to my original email I can just get the pw emailed there? What happens if my email account is stolen? If I don't notice that right away, the email hacker could just request my password and it would be emailed to my original (now stolen) email address.

5) 1 staffer for every 200 boards sounds great! Are these both full time customer service staff or is that 2 staff total for the whole company? Who is the other staff person besides you?

6) It's cool the free boards pay for themselves, but with only 4500 total members it makes me think maybe none of the boards are that busy yet, and so not using that much bandwidth. What is the biggest board you have here, like how many hits a day does it get? Is there a limit on hits for the free boards?

7) "Making a reasonable profit acually. " Excellent!

Now I have another question, up at the top of this forum I see a 'who's online' type deal, only it lists IP numbers. Does everyone see everyone else's IP number? Is that safe?



  
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Re: Survival of the smartest ( 22:51:20 MonMar 4 2002 )

1) I think you'll find that most people who are already members here won't even find your board. The place you're going to get most members from is your own connections. :smile:

2) Yup :smile:

3) No, there is no lost password feature for admin password. As you say, if someone gets into your email account, they'd beable to get it. The point of admin password is to keep them out :smile:

4) Yes. If your e-mail accouunt gets stolen, there's not really much that we can do about it. Encourage your e-mail provider to tighten security. :smile: But, you can change your e-mail at any time by e-mailing me with proof that you are who you say you are.

5) Both pretty much on whenever we can be. Me & Pam ("Pamster"). I'm here at least 13 hours a day, except on weekends, when I can be on a bit less. And Pam is on a lot too. :smile:

It only shows IP numbers for guests, to reduce guest abuse. Admins have more information - like IP's on who's online on every page, and to convert it into a hotname. :smile:

  
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Re: Survival of the smartest ( 08:00:28 TueMar 5 2002 )

4) Yes. If your e-mail accouunt gets stolen, there's not really much that we can do about it. Encourage your e-mail provider to tighten security

I see, so it's basically the same as ****** in that respect. I know someone who got their ****** account hacked after their email got hacked first, so that wasn't really ******'s responsibility either. But I don't use hotmail because there is a well known hack for hotmail accounts, so hopefully my email is more secure. :smile: But is it does get hacked then of course that is not your fault or ******'s.

"like IP's on who's online on every page, and to convert it into a hotname."
what is a hotname? some kind of IP lookup? That shows ISP or location?

  
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Re: Survival of the smartest ( 08:31:25 TueMar 5 2002 )

:lol: I meant "hostname" :smile: It's just basically an identifying name from your ISP... :smile:

And actually, that's the point of the extra security feaures like "admin password" and "only log me in once". Even if someone gets your password, and you're using those features, they won't be ablwe to do anything. :smile:
[Edited By BbBoy at 09:51:51 Tue Mar 5 2002]

  
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Re: Survival of the smartest ( 17:58:52 TueMar 5 2002 )


Quote: Bboy

I meant "hostname" It's just basically an identifying name from your ISP...


Hmmm, so admins have access to this information?? That's not cool, since I log on from work a lot, and I am fairly certain that my hostname identifies the company I work for. I can think of plenty of reasons not to like that. Ah, well, I suppose even without that feature, there are plenty of ways to find that out if someone wanted to.

  
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Re: Survival of the smartest ( 18:10:58 TueMar 5 2002 )

Actually, it would be the hostname your work's ISP gives them, not your work :smile: And no, admins don't have access to that information from registered users - just you have the option to make sure you only log in from the same hostname :smile:

  
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Re: Survival of the smartest ( 22:58:04 TueMar 5 2002 )

So, even if i am on dialup, i get a hostname from my ISP?

  
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Re: Survival of the smartest ( 23:04:25 TueMar 5 2002 )

I think all extra security features neccesarily mean less privacy for the user. Like having my IP displayed here at the top of this forum for any hacker to see, it's a trade off. But the registered users agree to losing their privacy when they join, I assume. It's probably part of the TOU.

  
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Re: Survival of the smartest ( 23:18:47 TueMar 5 2002 )

Guest users IP's are displayed to reduce abuse from guests. Admins can turn that off in their admin centre if they so wish. :smile:

And just FYI, IP's wouldn't help a "hacker" do very much at all. They can't hack into your board, becuase if they can see your IP, you're not registered. So you don't have a board. :smile: And to be able to see an IP, contrary to popular myth, doesn't give you, or anyone else, any special ability to "hack" the user at the end of the IP. Just what do you think they're going to be able to do by seeing your IP#? :lol:

Yup, even on dialup. Except in some circumstances. :smile:

  
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Re: Survival of the smartest ( 23:24:24 TueMar 5 2002 )

On another topic, are there themes to choose from? The default one is a bit yuck, and the text on the images is hard to read - plus they don't line up with each other.

Are there other themes I can look at with better graphics?

I am not really good at making my own buttons and things.

  

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