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smurf69 23:36:04 Thu Feb 12 2009 Offline posts Reply |
I've been hearing about gun owners marching on DC sometime in 2010. Anyone else hear anything about it? I'll try to get more info,but I wonder how many here would go? Might be interesting,couple of million(ok so I'm optimistic) AMRED patriots surrounding the asylum. Give the jbts a little food for thought.
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CMSMDan 00:35:04 Fri Feb 13 2009 Offline posts Reply |
www.secondamendmentmarch.com
Apparently, they got so flooded with new members joining the forums there that they had to shut it down so they could do something with the server. I joined on Monday I think, they had 325 members. Yesterday when I signed on they had around 950. Today I haven't been able to get on because its shut down at the moment. Ted Nugent said he would be there. They want 1 million gun owners to march on Washington DC and other smaller marches on state capitols. The marchers in DC will not be armed. The marches in the state capitols may be armed depending on state law. |
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Medicineman 03:18:02 Fri Feb 13 2009 Offline posts Mood Now: ![]() Post Mood: ![]() Reply |
This will get someones attention. To bad the crooks in DC couldn't leave well enough alone.
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Kembal 18:30:30 Fri Feb 13 2009 Offline posts Reply |
Yeah if they were armed I can see it turning bad. There have been plenty of cops playing the other side just so they can start something.
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44magnumvermont37 00:57:14 Sat Feb 14 2009 Offline posts Mood Now: ![]() Post Mood: ![]() Reply |
Well,my two cents,we can crouch down in fear and act like sheeple,or we can stand up and be counted. I to believe it is going to blow,but what will happen, I am not a prophet. If our courts were not so utterly corrupt and broken ,we could bring justis to the traitors,every one of them.
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Medicineman 03:54:04 Sat Feb 14 2009 Offline posts Mood Now: ![]() Post Mood: ![]() Reply |
Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if we could have justice.
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midstate 15:13:47 Sun Feb 15 2009 Offline 3 posts NEWBE Mood Now: ![]() Post Mood: ![]() Reply |
I'll drive if anyone wants to go with me.
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44magnumvermont37 18:13:38 Sun Feb 15 2009 Offline posts Mood Now: ![]() Post Mood: ![]() Reply |
Count me in too,if I am still in this world[I sure plan to be].
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colyork 23:55:26 Sun Feb 15 2009 Offline posts Mood Now: ![]() Post Mood: ![]() Reply |
I am going to play devils advocate for a minute.Lets say that in the time they pass laws to take away our gun rights,and they have all ready passed homegrown terrorist laws.What would stop them from useing that law and branding all of us terrorist and arresting anyone who shows up there? And don't forget the sheeple will go along with what the government tells them.
Just playing devils advocate here.
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Cynthiarosen 00:39:12 Mon Feb 16 2009 Offline posts Mood Now: ![]() Reply |
That's why my husband keeps warning me about gathering anywhere.
I am so tired of cowing, of being fearful to speak, to stand up. WE ARE ALL PATRICK HENRYS Unless there really is no hope to change the course. In that case it is only about survival. I question myself often, we question often, whether I am complicit to the downfall by not standing up. |
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colyork 00:50:28 Mon Feb 16 2009 Offline posts Mood Now: ![]() Post Mood: ![]() Reply |
The laws that have been passed in the last few years can be used against patriots as well as real terrorist. this country is more of a police state than the sheeple know or want to know.
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midstate 13:04:53 Mon Feb 16 2009 Offline 3 posts NEWBE Mood Now: ![]() Post Mood: ![]() Reply |
Do you really think the JBT's will try and arrest 100,000 people? I'm danm sure it will be loaded with NRA and their constituants, they still have some fairly powerful folks in their ranks. They may record license plates and sneaky crap like that but I think a "no show" on our part will just embolden the looney left to further trample our rights.
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colyork 15:46:34 Mon Feb 16 2009 Offline posts Mood Now: ![]() Post Mood: ![]() Reply |
Look what happened to the "bonus army",do not take for granted anything that a corrupt government will do to keep power.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army The self-named Bonus Expeditionary Force was an assemblage of some 43,000 marchers — 17,000 World War I veterans, their families, and affiliated groups, who protested in Washington, D.C., in spring and summer of 1932. Called the Bonus March by the news media, the Bonus Marchers were more popularly known as the Bonus Army. The war veterans sought immediate, cash payment of Service Certificates granted them eight years earlier via the Adjusted Service Certificate Law of 1924. Each Service Certificate, issued to a qualified veteran soldier, bore a face value equal to the soldier's promised payment, plus compound interest .The problem was that the certificates (like bonds), matured twenty years from the date of original issuance, thus, under extant law, the Service Certificates were un-redeemable until 1945. The Bonus Army was led by Walter W. Waters a former Army sergeant, and was encouraged in their demand for immediate cash-payment redemption of their service certificates by retired U.S.M.C. Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler one of the most popular military figures of the time. The practice of war-time military bonuses began in 1776, as payment for the difference between what a soldier earned and what he could have earned had he not enlisted.[1] Before World War One, the soldier's military service bonus (adjusted for rank) was land and money — a Continental Army private received 100 acres (0.40 km2) and $80.00 at war's end while a Maj. Gen. received 1,100 acres (4.5 km2). In 1855, Congress increased the land-grant minimum to 160 acres (0.65 km2), and reduced the eligibility requirements to fourteen days of military service, or one battle; moreover, the bonus also applied to veterans of any Indian war.[2] Breaking with tradition, the veterans of the Spanish-American War did not receive a bonus, and, after World War One, their not receiving a military service bonus became a political matter when WWI veterans received only a $60 bonus. In 1919, the American Legion was created, and led a political movement for an additional bonus. In 1924, over-riding President Calvin Coolidge 's veto, Congress legislated compensation for veterans to recognize their war-time suffering: receive a dollar for each day of domestic service, to a maximum of $500; and $1.25 for each day of overseas service, to a maximum of $625. Amounts owed of $50 or less were immediately paid; greater sums were issued as certificates of service maturing in 20 years. Some 3,662,374 military service certificates were issued, with a face value of $3.638 billion. Congress established a trust fund to receive 20 annual payments of $112 million that, with interest, would finance the $3.638 billion dollars owed to the veterans in 1945. Meanwhile, veterans could borrow up to 22.50 per cent of the certificate's face value from the fund. In 1931, because of the Great Economic Depression, Congress increased the loan value to 50 per cent of the certificate's face value; yet, by April 1932, loans amounting to $1.248 billion dollars had been paid, leaving a $2.36-billion-dollar deficit. Although there was Congressional support for the immediate redemption (payment) of the military service certificates, President Hoover and Republican congressmen opposed that, because it would negatively affect the Federal Government's budget and Depression-relief programmes. Meanwhile, veterans organisations pressed the Federal Government to allow the early redemption of their military service certificates. [The Bonus Army massed at the United States Capitol on June 17 as the U.S. Senate voted on the Patman Bonus Bill, which would have moved forward the date when World War I veterans received a cash bonus. Most of the Bonus Army camped in a Hooverville on the Anacostia Flats, then a swampy, muddy area across the Anacostia River from the federal core of Washington. The camps, built from materials scavenged from a nearby rubbish dump, were tightly controlled by the veterans with streets laid out, sanitation facilities built and parades held daily. To live in the camps, veterans were required to register and prove they had been honorably discharged. The protesters had hoped that they could convince Congress to make payments that would be granted to veterans immediately, which would have provided relief for the marchers who were unemployed due to the Depression. The bill had passed the House of Representatives on June 15 but was blocked in the Senate. The U.S. Army intervenes On 28 July, 1932, Attorney General Mitchell ordered the police evacuation of the Bonus Army veterans, who resisted; the police shot at them, and killed two. When told of the killings, President Hoover ordered the U.S. Army to effect the evacuation of the Bonus Army from Washington, D.C. At 4:45 p.m., commanded by Gen. Douglas MacArthur ,the 12th Infantry Regiment ,Fort Howard, Maryland ,and the 3rd Cavalry Regiment ,supported by six battle tanks commanded by Maj. George S. Patton ,Fort Myer Virginia, formed in Pennsylvania Avenue while thousands of Civil Service employees left work to line the street and watch the U.S. Army attack its own veterans. The Bonus Marchers, believing the display was in their honour, cheered the troops until Maj. Patton charged the cavalry against them — an action which prompted the Civil Service employee spectators to yell, "Shame! Shame!" After the cavalry charge, infantry, with fixed bayonets and adamsite gas, entered the Bonus Army camps, evicting veterans, families, and camp followers. The veterans fled across the Anacostia River, to their largest camp; President Hoover ordered the Army assault stopped, however, Gen. MacArthur—feeling this free-speech exercise was a Communist attempt at overthrowing the U.S. Government—ignored the President and ordered a new attack. Hundreds of veterans were injured, several were killed — including William Hushka and Eric Carlson ;a veteran's wife miscarried; and many other veterans were hurt. The Posse Comitatus Act — forbidding civilian police work by the U.S. military — did not apply to Washington, D.C., because it is the federal district directly governed by the U.S. Congress (U.S. Constitution ,Article I. Section 8. Clause 17) </wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitution>. The exemption was created because of an earlier "Bonus March". In 1781, most of the Continental Army was demobilised without pay, two years later, in 1783, hundreds of Pennsylvania war veterans marched on Philadelphia, surrounded the State House wherein Congress was in session, and demanded their pay. The U.S. Congress fled to Princeton, New Jersey, and, several weeks later, the U.S. Army expelled the war veterans back to home, out of the national capital. An infant, Bernard Myers, later died in the hospital after the incident but reports indicated the death was not caused by the evacuation of the BEF. Aftermath A movie, Gabriel Over the White House ,was released by MGM in March 1933 that depicted the Bonus March, but with a more positive outcome. Produced by William Randolph Hearst ’s Cosmopolitan Pictures, it concerned the actions of "President Hammond" who ends the depression and solves the marchers' problems through authoritarian means, which result in a stable economy, elimination of crime, and creation of world peace.[3] Following his election, President Franklin D. Roosevelt did not want to pay the bonus early either, but handled the veterans with more skill. In March 1933, Roosevelt issued an executive order allowing the enrollment of 25,000 veterans in the Civilian Conservation Corps for work in forests. When they marched on Washington again in May 1933, he sent his wife Eleanor to chat with the vets and pour coffee with them, and she persuaded many of them to sign up for jobs making a roadway to the Florida Keys which was to become the Overseas Highway ,the southernmost portion of U.S. 1 .On September 2, the disastrous Labor Day Hurricane of 1935 killed 258 veterans working on the Highway. After seeing more newsreels of veterans giving their lives for a government that had taken them for granted, public sentiment built up so much that Congress could no longer afford to ignore it in an election year (1936). Roosevelt's veto was overridden, making the bonus a reality. Perhaps the Bonus Army's greatest accomplishment was the piece of legislation known as the G. I. Bill of Rights Passed in July, 1944, it immensely helped veterans from the Second World War to secure needed assistance from the federal government to help them fit back into civilian life, something the World War I veterans of the Bonus Army had not received. The Bonus Army's activities can also be seen as a template for the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom in 1963, and popular political demonstrations and activism that took place in the U.S. later in the 20th century.
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colyork 16:14:02 Mon Feb 16 2009 Offline posts Mood Now: ![]() Post Mood: ![]() Reply |
Now would they would they attack marchers again?Who knows? But this is important and it is about time we stand up and make our voices heard!
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hermitriver 22:26:48 Mon Feb 16 2009 Offline posts Reply |
Too far to march on DC, I'd be tired before I got out the other end of Monson. Hermit
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