Is it legal? Floating motor and pump, but no suction nozzle.
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MojaveJoe
04:45:57 Tue
Feb 11 2014
Is it legal? Floating motor and pump, but no suction nozzle.
Been out of the dredging regulations loop for 2 years now, ever since I bought my membership.

This summer I finally get to visit HC and do some mining on the club claims. But Iam unaware of what kind of in and out of water mining is legal these days in CA.

A while back I understood a dredge w/o a sluice box was legal, but it seems that too has been made illegal.

So what does that leave for me to do with my 4" dredge, modified to some legal configuration? i.e. What can I do legally with it?

For that matter are booming or highbanking even legit now in CA? What are the restrictions?

Just looking for info about how many mining options are still feasible on the club claims. :confused:

Thanks for any and all suggestions and experiences.
Joe


Dave_Mack
12:30:56 Tue
Feb 11 2014
Re: Is it legal? Floating motor and pump, but no suction nozzle.
Hi Joe,

High-banking is still alright.

The jury is out on the legality of underwater gravel transfer in Siskiyou County. This is because I believe a Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) remains in affect preventing the Department of Fish & Wildlife from enforcing the Emergency regulations which put an end to that method of mining. Since that litigation was transferred to San Bernardino, the TRO kind of remains in legal limbo. My guess is the wardens would frown on the practice. The Club would likely help defend against a citation, though.

The Emergency Regulations will expire once and for all in early July, by the way.

There is no problem with booming 100 yards from the active waterway. Doing suction gravel transfer closer than 100 yards, in Siskiyou County, is much in the same legal limbo as the paragraph above. You might or might not get cited if the wardens even take an interest. There has not been much interest so far.

Underwater crevicing is what most active members were doing within the waterways at the end of last season, using hookah and pump from their 5 and 6 HP motors on floating platforms to provide air for breathing, and a small jet of water to help move material out of the way. I was going to focus the February newsletter on this method of underwater blow mining, but the flu that is going around has prevented us from doing the underwater demonstrations on video. You will see something in the March newsletter.

February will now focus on another exciting new claim we have acquired.

Our normal high-banking group projects are scheduled in the coming season right here:

http://www.goldgold.com/the-new-49ers.html

redwood
14:18:24 Tue
Feb 11 2014
Re: Is it legal? Floating motor and pump, but no suction nozzle.
Wow Dave, a 1000 yards for any suction action? I thought it was 300 yards or roughly 1000 feet.

Mike

MojaveJoe
17:11:07 Tue
Feb 11 2014
Re: Is it legal? Floating motor and pump, but no suction nozzle.
1000 yds? I thought the regs say no dredge w/in 100yds of any closed waterway? (or did I miss another change?)

Well, at least I can mod my motor and pump for underwater sniping then.
Is the club enforcing old dredging seasons for such work in the water?

How low is the water near HC these days, compared to normal?

Looking forward to that video. :doublethumbsup:



LipCa
22:34:26 Tue
Feb 11 2014
Re: Is it legal? Floating motor and pump, but no suction nozzle.
MJ, How can you mod your pump and engine for underwater sniping when you can't use any suction?.
Blaster nozzle?

Dave_Mack
00:19:34 Wed
Feb 12 2014
Re: Is it legal? Floating motor and pump, but no suction nozzle.
Whoops; I got that part wrong. It's 100 yards!! I went up and changed that in my post.

Harry; it's easy to rig a blowing hose and blow-nozzle from a small pump to facilitate the excavation of hard-pack on the bottom of a stream, or push small amounts of material out of the way.

There is even a way to push (blow) material through a hose without using any suction system on the bottom.

Since it is getting so late February, I'll wait until the March newsletter to provide more explanation, images and video.

LipCa
01:59:40 Wed
Feb 12 2014
Re: Is it legal? Floating motor and pump, but no suction nozzle.
Dave, That's the way I thought it should be. I just wanted to make sure MJ wouldn't do it all for nothing.

MojaveJoe
04:38:50 Wed
Feb 12 2014
Re: Is it legal? Floating motor and pump, but no suction nozzle.
Lip...
Just going to reconfigure my 4" dredge power pack, pump and compressor so it can be used without the heavy sluice box, or move it all over to a smaller float frame.

Also working on some ideas for sniping and sluicing without using a motor assisted suction hose. No motorized suction hose to vac the riverbed, not a dredge right? Or something like that. Working on 2 or 3 ideas right now. Hope to get to HC in April or May to do some in-water experimenting.

Maybe I'll run into you guys one day.

Water levels are currently down to near summer depths. More rain on its way but maybe not enough to get the Klamath back to where it should be for Feb. I wouldn't wish a drought on anyone,(heck I live in the desert) but I can appreciate the opportunity presented by summer like low river flows in April or May, when it should be 3-6 times what it might be this year.

Good Minin'
Joe



OVRBRDN
15:03:36 Wed
Feb 12 2014
Re: Is it legal? Floating motor and pump, but no suction nozzle.
I just read on another board an 'ol boy hooked up his stationary bike to an old washing machine pump, find them on ebay 15 bux.... non motorized high banking!
says he'll have it at some gold shows coming up...

Rod_Seiad
17:08:44 Wed
Feb 12 2014
Re: Is it legal? Floating motor and pump, but no suction nozzle.
Say Mojave,

Your 4" dredge flotation and frame ought to be used as the backbone of your gold getter. Omit the sluice, flare, jet, nozzle and hose.

In the open space where the sluice was I have installed a wood platform made of 2"x6" each piece 36"long. Run 'em long ways and use 1/4" stovebolts to make it strong. Not only can you ride the machine to your favorite spot, your kit & caboodle will be easy to stow away.

No, you can't use vacuum, you'll need to switch over to mastering the technique of blowing overburden downstream. The fear of creating too much plume in the water never happened to me because I worked the exposed bedrock and avoided the gravel deposits. Sniping.

Realistically, nobody cares about your method of mining subsurface. The mean-haters want us entirely out of sight and gone from their imaginary world. I know what they can do with their vacuum.


keith_mc
16:22:05 Fri
Feb 14 2014
Re: Is it legal? Floating motor and pump, but no suction nozzle.
Joe, does this mean you will need your shovel back this year?
Guess you are not going back to Nome. After ocean dredging last season Mike was doing real well on the beach. Almost had me packing my bags.
Keith

MojaveJoe
04:18:19 Sat
Feb 15 2014
Re: Is it legal? Floating motor and pump, but no suction nozzle.
That's right Keith.
Check your PMs.



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