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ddog
21:34:45 Sat
Apr 12 2014
Jack Booted Thugs
Was at Happy Camp last yr for 3 wks An had a blast. Found a little gold & met a lot of great people. Joined the 49 ers club this yr. Made reservations at Elk Creek Campgrounds for 3 months starting in June. Should be fun.Got a Gold Hog mini highbanker & some cleanup equip. Hope we have some water left to run it. What do think of the Jack Booted Thugs ie, US Gov. against the rancher in Nevada? Harry Reid needs the land for some Chinese solar outfit project. So much for the desert turtles. I see they got the hint from we the people & backed off for now we shall see. Does this sad story of Big Brother taking away freedoms remind you off anything???? Take notes Guys & Gals, We will see at the next hearing. Hope for best , prepare for the worst. Looking forward to seeing you again in June. Mary & Jerry 2 fat wiener dogs SEMPER FI.:doublethumbsup:

blackjeep
05:44:26 Sun
Apr 13 2014
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Hey fellow miners, we Americans actually won a victory against the BLM. and NPS. in Nevada. God bless the freedom loving people that were able to travel to Nv. to support the Bundys in there fight against the government take over of lands their family have been on since 1870. Strange how when Harry Reid and his son got caught red handed the Feds. backed off. Please view The Drudge Report online for information on the conflict. Maybe we miners might have a good chance. Thanks, Jim.

rickther
20:35:14 Mon
Apr 14 2014
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It's time...........:duck:


Salty_Dog
00:27:45 Tue
Apr 15 2014
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My wife just left the Bundy place. Our daughter is a friend and neighbor of theirs. Nobody won anything. This deal is not over. Someone finally figured out that there a huge potential for a blood bath and backed off. That does not mean that it's over. The worst thing that can happen is for someone to think they scared the government off. The government doesn't scare. They just didn't want to kill anyone. Looks to me like the Bundys and the BLM need to sit down and work something out before there is real trouble. If it comes to a gunfight we all know who's gonna win that one.

Dave_Mack
03:03:43 Sat
Apr 19 2014
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I decided to weigh in on this, since we are confronted by similar situations in our industry. Let's please be careful on this forum to not get carried away with discussion about violent solutions.

Here is part of the standoff. I encourage you guys to watch it closely:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhJ6H9vlEDA&list=PL6zRBTE72eoPJKiR5t3fCpI9IYb-2A-Kx

I'm sure this is not over. My best guess is that it is just the beginning!

This event was a matter of normal people standing up against an overwhelming government which turned its back on the people a long time ago. There is no longer a judicial system that will protect the people from excesses of government. The First Amendment is the right to redress, which is no longer available to normal people, especially normal working people and property owners.

The second Amendment, by the way, was put there to allow normal people to take matters into our own hands when the government gets out of control -- as it clearly is today. The founders knew this would happen in time. Having fought and won against the most powerful military force of their own time (the British, who were also abusing their excessive authority), our founders did not want to give us a future where we had to resort to throwing rocks at well-armed government enforcers! Thank god for those guys and their wisdom!

I suggest if the deteriorating situation had progressed to what we are dealing with today, the tragedy at Waco never would have happened.

I predict similar events like what you see in this video will happen more and more until either: (1) someone from one side or the other opens fire on the other side, or (2) the government steps it up to the next level of violent control to display its dominance over just normal people who are demanding honorable redress. Yes; that's something you would expect in Russia or China.

That event will take it to the next level, perhaps the second American Civil War. Normal Americans are not going to be pushed around by an excessive, dysfunctional government. As powerful as they may feel today, once the shooting starts, none of the bureaucrats or enforcers are going to feel safe in their homes or on the job, anymore.

Watch the video. Harry Reid, Speaker of the U.S. Senate, one of the most powerful "leaders" in America, called those everyday, salt of the earth Americans, terrorists. Yeah; he's the same guy who has spent America into bankruptcy. That is a sign of how bad things really are!

Here is how Harry sees it:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/04/18/harry-reid-defends-domestic-terrorists-comments/

I feel for the enforcers out there with their dogs and taser guns. Many of them must know at this point that they have signed on with the dark side.

This is not over. It is just the beginning. It's a milestone along a long road our country has taken in the wrong direction. We have reached the point where Americans are going to stand up against a government which has completely lost its way.

It's a sure thing someone is going to turn one of these events into a shooting match. That will be the real big turning point. After all, there are people who will walk into a movie theater, elementary school, or onto a military base and just start shooting lots of innocent people for no reason at all!

I'm just saying that when the enforcers resort to throwing elderly woman on the ground, you know the trigger is only one step away.

I'm not encouraging the trigger.

It's just that I have spent my entire life on the edge, so I know the edge when I see it. Calling those normal, angry people terrorists is as close to the edge as you can get without falling off!

Gold_Nuggets
05:02:17 Sat
Apr 19 2014
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You pretty much summed it up Dave. A lot of us believe that the "edge" is a lot closer now than it was say a year ago. We hope that it won't come down to Americans against Americans because that is what many of us fought to keep from happening. Keeping the fingers crossed that things will calm down, but also keeping an eye on "big brother" so he doesn't push the issues to the point of backing We the People into a corner where we have no choice but to fend for our rights any way we can. :doublethumbsup:

Salty_Dog
05:39:34 Sat
Apr 19 2014
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Using rhetoric like "Jack Booted Thugs" is not very helpful; only inflammatory. Dave is absolutely right when he says this is not over. Few people have figured out that while Bundy says he is fighting for states rights it is the state that is oppressing us miners California and Oregon. Bundy needs to be careful what he wishes for. The devil he knows (BLM) might just be easier to deal with that the devil he doesn't know (state of Nevada). I don't know if Mr. Bundy asked the militias to come in or if they took it upon themselves to show up. I do think that once they showed up the chances of violence escalated. It's very fortunate that the BLM backed down before there was any gun play. Bundy lost my respect when he stated that he did not recognize the U.S government as even existing. I spent 24 years of my life in the U.S. Army defending this nation. Mr. Bundy has every right to protest the regulations that he does not like but he does not have the right to disobey the law. I respect him for standing up for what he believes in but by disobeying the law (civil disobedience) he has to be prepared to face the consequences; and there will be consequences. The heavy-handedness of the states of Oregon and California has cost me the right to dredge on my claims in those states. I will fight as long and hard as I can to regain those rights. If in the end, we lose the fight, I will obey the law. A nation without laws cannot survive. I have been politically active since I retired from the Army in 1990. I have fought for both conservative and liberal issues. I have been hated by the right and the left. I have been referred to as "road kill" because I try to find solutions that are workable; middle of the road. Any issue that is not decided down the middle, ALWAYS damages the rights of one party; just as small miners have been damaged by the outright dredging ban in California. The answer is always in the middle. I know that sounds wishy washy and weak but the alternative to compromise is the complete loss of rights by one side or the other. Just my thoughts.

Rod_Seiad
16:55:28 Sat
Apr 19 2014
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Bundy is accused of being a "welfare rancher". (desert turtle)

There was a time not so long ago that I was accused of being a "welfare logger". (spotted owl)

Now today, I'm certain that I'm a "welfare miner". (coho salmon)

I'm quite disappointed at being such a self-sufficient type. Environmentalism has, by law, simultaneously created and destroyed human lives.

Is this our future? Yes. Civil disobedience (domestic terrorism) is thriving and growing as a reaction to illegal and useless environmentalism.



Real49er
23:39:03 Sat
Apr 19 2014
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Sorry Salty Dog, but I'll have to take exception to part of your statement at least. The answer is NOT always in the middle! If the issue is between truth and lie, right and wrong, justice and injustice, how can the correct answer be in the middle of those two points. In my mind the only correct answer lies at the endpoint that best coincides with truth, right and justice, and anything towards the middle is just the gray area of compromise. We have tried compromise in the past, and always end up facing the assault yet again toward further compromise. As these compromises build and escalate, we find we can no longer mine our claims in the only economically feasible way, yet we know in truth the acts and words of those keeping us from it are wrong. So we have lost the right to mine in the most practical fashion, but if we manage to reverse that deplorable situation, I can see no "right" that the Enviros would have lost in return!

If you compromise on a fundamental matter of principle, you have lost, period.

For anyone interested, I can recommend the book "Unintended Consequences" by John Ross. It has much accurate historical information in it, but is in truth a novel about exactly these sorts of tyranny, oppression and the agenda of governmental overreach!

I heartily recommend it!!!

Dave_Mack
02:17:37 Sun
Apr 20 2014
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Here is a good read from Assemblywoman Michele Fiore who witnessed the event:

http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/04/assemblywoman-michele-fiore-truth-blm-bundy-showdown/

ratled
03:39:44 Sun
Apr 20 2014
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Thanks for the read Dave. I post the link on a few other sites

ratled

ratled
01:54:58 Mon
Apr 21 2014
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Here is something that was just forwarded to me that is directly on point with this thread:

ratled

Time is like a river. You cannot touch the water twice, because the flow that has passed will never pass again.
Written by a USMC Vet. (I can't argue with any of it. Passing it along as it was received.)

The American Dream ended (on November 6th, 2012) in Ohio. The second term of Barack Obama was the final nail in the coffin for the legacy of the white Christian males who discovered, explored, pioneered, settled and developed the greatest Republic in the history of mankind.
A coalition of Blacks, Latinos, Feminists, Gays, Government Workers, Union Members, Environmental Extremists, The Media, Hollywood, uninformed young people, the "forever needy," the chronically unemployed, illegal aliens and other "fellow travelers" have ended Norman Rockwell's America.
The Cocker Spaniel is off the front porch... The Pit Bull is in the back yard. The American Constitution has been replaced with Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" and Chicago shyster, David Axelrod, along with international Socialist George Soros will be pulling the strings on their beige puppet to bring us Act 2 of the New World Order.
Our side ran two candidates who couldn't even win their own home states, and Chris Christie helped Obama over the top with a glowing "post Sandy" tribute that elevated the "Commander-in-Chief" to Mother Teresa status. (Aside: with the way the polls were run, he didn't need any help!)
People like me are completely politically irrelevant, and I will never again comment on or concern myself with the aforementioned coalition which has surrendered our culture, our heritage and our traditions without a shot being fired.
You will never again out-vote these people. It will take individual acts of defiance and massive displays of civil disobedience to get back the rights we have allowed them to take away. It will take Zealots, not moderates & shy not reach-across-the-aisle RINOs to right this ship and restore our beloved country to its former status.
Those who come after us will have to risk their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to bring back the Republic that this generation has timidly frittered away due to "white guilt" and political correctness... An American Veteran......... Semper-Fi

socalgold
02:05:03 Mon
Apr 21 2014
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That's said about as well as it could ever be put in print

ddog
02:59:01 Mon
Apr 21 2014
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Well said Socalgold. Remember the C Bundy thing. It's not over but it's a start. Semper Fi, Brother

ddog
03:20:55 Mon
Apr 21 2014
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Sorry Ratled,Should have read the post a little closer plus I got the usernames mixed up. New guy here, hope get this site figured out. Me an computers do not play well together.:confused:

Dave_Mack
04:45:47 Mon
Apr 21 2014
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Now we know what the feds were doing out there with backhoes!

http://www.infowars.com/bundy-family-uncovers-suspected-blm-cattle-grave/

Rod_Seiad
16:02:42 Mon
Apr 21 2014
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I recommend this article as background or foundation building that will enable understanding of the Bundy's rock-solid position. The Bundy's are victims of environmentalism.



http://www.infowars.com/report-desert-tortoise-greatly-benefits-from-bundys-cattle-grazing/



Needless to say, I'm totally inspired and conducting research to connect us, today, with the EPA, and why anti-american ideals need to be reversed.


Salty_Dog
20:07:54 Mon
Apr 21 2014
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Truly an interesting discussion. Let me first say that if you get your "news" from MSNBC, Fox, CNN, Infowars, etc. you are not getting news. You are getting propaganda; political rhetoric. Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Chris Matthews, Ed Schultz, Rachel Maddow all get paid to provide controversy; not news. Is Cliven Bundy a hero? I thought so at first until he said that he did not even recognize the United States government as existing. Sorry, but I spent 24 years serving that government in the US Army. We might not like the government but it is a constitutionally elected government. I see some anti-Obama stuff on here. Our problems did not start with Obama. He did not sign away our rights to dredge in California. Some people think that the Republican Party is our savior. I will tell you that a politician is a politician whether he is a democrat or a republican. Our best hope is not to put our faith in any political party. They only care about what is in their own best interest. I certainly agree with Real49er that there are absolute rights and wrongs. When I said that the answer is always in the middle I was not saying that what is moral or right is in the middle. I was saying that the POLITICAL answer must be SOMEWHERE between the extremes. ABSOLUTE solutions virtually always end up in one side losing its rights. By placing ourselves in the same category as Mr. Bundy, we are doing ourselves a disservice. We register our claims, pay our fees, and obey the mining laws. Mr. Bundy disregarded the law. Ask yourself this, if this fight were over a bunch of hippies growing pot in a national forest in Colorado, would we be rallying behind them? I think not. And they would be no more breaking the law than Bundy is. If we lose the court battle over dredging rights, are we going to obey the law or will be willing to go to jail by disobeying the law? That's a choice we as individuals will have to make and perhaps as New 49ers we will have to make it as a group. I am not saying that civil disobedience is not at times in order. I am saying that if we decide as a group or individually to disobey the law, we have to be ready to face the consequences; just as Bundy is.

Mineral_Estate_Grantee
20:25:02 Mon
Apr 21 2014
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Nevada Rancher whose land was taken by BLM tells it all in this interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuuBFIptEmU

OVRBRDN
20:28:12 Mon
Apr 21 2014
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Quote: Rod_Seiad at 16:02:42 Mon Apr 21 2014

I recommend this article as background or foundation building that will enable understanding of the Bundy's rock-solid position. The Bundy's are victims of environmentalism.



http://www.infowars.com/report-desert-tortoise-greatly-benefits-from-bundys-cattle-grazing/



Needless to say, I'm totally inspired and conducting research to connect us, today, with the EPA, and why anti-american ideals need to be reversed.


Here's some more inspiration for you and some ammunition!
Yesterdays broadcast talked about the EPA's dealings...

BEHIND THE WOODSHED


ratled
20:43:02 Mon
Apr 21 2014
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Salty Dog stated "I was saying that the POLITICAL answer must be SOMEWHERE between the extremes."

Salty Dog the EXTREMES are exactly what the opposition is asking for and the Gov is giving them. Salty Dog I have to ask, are you even aware of what the issues are, who is doing what and what the miners have done and being forced to give up? :shrug:

ratled

Mineral_Estate_Grantee
20:52:29 Mon
Apr 21 2014
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Quote: Mineral_Estate_Grantee at 20:25:02 Mon Apr 21 2014

Nevada Rancher whose land was taken by BLM tells it all in this interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuuBFIptEmU


Links to Part 1 and 2 http://vimeo.com/album/2025395

Dave_Mack
00:42:28 Tue
Apr 22 2014
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I'm sure all or most of the king's men believed they were "following the law" at the time that the first American revolution was sparked.

I suggest a careful reading of the Declaration of Independence is in order, with a comparison of how much of that document would apply to our situation today. There does come a point where laws are used to oppress the people.

There is a lot of controversy and passion around the matters we are discussing. I believe it is a discussion worth having. That's why I have participated.

But let's please be mindful that this is a place where we ought to be able to have discussions without getting into shouting matches or name calling like what happens on some of the other forums.

Mineral_Estate_Grantee
02:27:36 Tue
Apr 22 2014
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BLM Whistleblower: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNGJXDuLkdI&feature=youtu.be

Rod_Seiad
15:51:38 Thu
Apr 24 2014
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I'm a speed reader. There's a bunch of stuff to flog through in order to get some sense of the root causes. And there are layers upon layers of factors.

This article has a pretty accurate timeline. The facts and opinions may or may not be trustworthy. The fires of humanity are hot.

http://www.newsweek.com/2014/05/02/militiamen-fight-over-cliven-bundys-ranch-far-over-248354.html


Basically, I feel that we are witnessing good stuff. I'm gonna keep my distance from the fray.

Senator Reid versus Rancher Bundy is a battle between two "saints" who are unable to maintain their discipline and righteousness. Salt Lake City and Las Vegas have antagonized each other for generations. Problem is.....public money, land, and boots on the ground are being abused...horribly.



socalgold
19:07:44 Fri
Apr 25 2014
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BLM now figures to land grab 90,000 acres in TX along the Red River, and was dared to try it by attorney general there and backed up by the governor. Government out of control and all agencies usurping power, with help from the bench.

BLM's projected land grabs in the future for green energy.
http://freebeacon.com/issues/blm-designated-50-million-acres-open-for-solar-development-in-nevada/

BLM'S site has the maps of intention here
http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/wo/MINERALS__REALTY__AND_RESOURCE_PROTECTION_/energy/solar_and_wind.Par.57805.File.dat/DraftSolarPEISmaps.pdf



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