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Rod_Seiad
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Locals Show More Love For New 49rs ( 14:31:38 WedMar 20 2013 )


  
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Re: Locals Show More Love For New 49rs ( 15:51:59 WedMar 20 2013 )

The Justice System. Where a court won't hear the other side of the story.. More like IN-Justice System.

Here's my two cents. This is my own first hand experience...

I live on the Coast of NorCal and enjoy all outdoor activities. I have been fishing at the mouth of the Klamath when Salmon start running from the ocean to the river in the fall. Their may be 20-30 people standing on the bank with a single fishing line in the water. Possibly one or two of those people are reeling in a fish at any given time. Meanwhile the Native (is that politically correct these days?), come along with their giant gill nets and pull them in front of all the fishermen on shore, as they are all frantically reeling in their tackle so it doesn't get caught in those gigantic nets. That one Native will pull out about 30 fish from that net right in front of everybody on shore, un-tagle them from the net and throw them in the back of his pickup, and do it all over again in about 20 mins. He claims he's feeding his family... If this is true, why do I then see the "same" guy in Eureka selling Salmon on the side of Highway 101 for $20 a piece out of the back of his truck?

Here's another....

I floated down the Trinity river at the end of the summer last year in a raft from Bigfoot Rafting Co. in Willow Creek. So many fish weirs and nets stretched across the river, the salmon didn't even have a chance to get to where they were going to spawn. Now who is really killing the fish here?!! We had to raft an extra mile and a half past where people usually get out of the river from your rafting trip. They would not let any vehicles down to the river at Tishtang unless you lived around Hoopa, because they didn't want anybody to see all those xxxx nets. Call Bigfoot yourself to verify. They'll tell you all about it.

It's easy to lay blame on a scapegoat, ie Miners reducing salmon populations, given past practices...

I grew up in Iowa by the Mississippi River. Talk about silty muddy water. Corn and Soy bean farmers tilling the soil every year. You cannot see your hand and inch below the water and you would not believe the fish that come out of that thing. I highly doubt dredging is smothering salmon eggs and killing them off that way. We need to look at the real problem. Overfishing...

  
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Re: Locals Show More Love For New 49rs ( 17:43:10 WedMar 20 2013 )

Rod I see where you got confused. You though it was "justice", it's "just us"

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Re: Locals Show More Love For New 49rs ( 17:51:50 WedMar 20 2013 )

Quote: ratled at 17:43:10 Wed Mar 20 2013

Rod I see where you got confused. You though it was "justice", it's "just us"

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LOL!

  
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Re: Locals Show More Love For New 49rs ( 18:28:53 WedMar 20 2013 )

pshn, you are under the mistaken idea that this has anything at all to do with fish. This whole law suit was brought about by an environmental yuppie that owns a rafting company on the Salmon river. He did not want dredgers in the river because he was selling "tranquility". So he hired a half-breed, wife beating drunk to bring these law suits. This drug using half-breed and some Bay area yuppies funded this operation along with a 1 million dollar donation from the Tribal Casinos that went to Governor AAArrrnold so that he would sign a bill opposing dredging. This is just a brief summary of what happened and it has
absolutely nothing to do with fishing. To add insult to injury the Coho that are now in the river are hatchery fish, not native salmon. In short they are "pets" and should not even covered by any endangered species act. One of the hatcheries was on Elk Creek in Happy Camp.

  
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Re: Locals Show More Love For New 49rs ( 01:56:52 ThuMar 21 2013 )

What is the name of the rafting co. that started this? Jim

  
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Re: Locals Show More Love For New 49rs ( 03:48:48 ThuMar 21 2013 )

AUNUTS, you are probably more in the "Know" than I am as to how this whole circus got started.. I will agree with you there. As for the fishing, I've witnessed first hand "overfishing" of salmon by Natives. Everyone else has strict regulations just as miners do. We are the scapegoats

  
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Re: Locals Show More Love For New 49rs ( 16:29:14 ThuMar 21 2013 )

growler, pm me and I will tell you in private.

  
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Re: Locals Show More Love For New 49rs ( 04:13:14 SatMar 23 2013 )

I just can't help but laugh for any other purpose than to release how two faced our Indian neighbors use terms like "the 1872 mining law is obsolete and to old to be used as law in this day and age" however, it appears to me that it is a bit newer than the 1851 treaty that they are trying to use to justify their actions. (http://www.klamathbasincrisis.org/tribes/karukwrongtreatypp040805.htm)
That darn wool is scratching my eyes....
I keep hearing from some of these peoples how they are sick and tired of being treated unfairly but continue not to stand on their own two feet as Americans and continue to crave the need to be referred to as Native this or that, continue to except all the government benefits of being tribal, enjoy fishing benefits no other American is intitled to. I believe the anthopologists have pretty well made their case that the first people to squat in these lands of ours came from Russia.
And if I believe what has been posted about the one million dollar cost to Calif. by the 3500 or so dredgers I'll sign that petition to quit dredging and join the ranks to collect my percentage of that "no longer needed" expense. Sounds fair to me. How much does Stopher and staff make fur darn sake????

  

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