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Moving Boulders ( 19:35:37 FriApr 12 2013 )

I am a newbie and have a question. I see posts about moving boulders mechanically. (winch) Some states do not allow that. What are the rules in CA on 49er claims?

  
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Re: Moving Boulders ( 01:07:42 SatApr 13 2013 )

Is this a trick question oldpro?

Or is it newbie?

  
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Re: Moving Boulders ( 01:25:34 SatApr 13 2013 )

No trick!

  
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Re: Moving Boulders ( 01:45:16 SatApr 13 2013 )

OK move the boulder, get your share of the gold.

My 6' solid steel prybar is my limit. I've been hurt with high tensioned cable.

It's a personal decision. Heaven knows there's a thousand page document on some enviro's computer ready to be launched to stop winching.

  
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Re: Moving Boulders ( 02:49:33 SatApr 13 2013 )

Caution!

When using cable to move a boulder, NEVER use a straight pull, meaning straight from the boulder to where you are standing.

Always use a pulley or two, going to something sturdy and not in line with you and the boulder.

Like this:





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Re: Moving Boulders ( 03:25:31 SatApr 13 2013 )

Well, I think the question was if California allowed moving boulders mechanically(with an engine or motor, I presume?). Not how to move them??

In the CDF "dredging" regulations, they say motorized winching is prohibited unless you have an inspection.

If moving by hand, you cannot move them out of the waterline. You cannot move them if they are imbedded in the streambank.

That's CDF. I don't know what New 49er's regs are....

  
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Re: Moving Boulders ( 04:04:31 SatApr 13 2013 )

When dredging you are governed by the dredge regs
When not dredging you are governed by DFG section 1602

Club rules as far as I know are the same

I stopped using steel several years ago and use a product called "Amsteel' Looks like rope but it supposed to be like 2x stronger. The upside is is 10X lighter and doesn't store the emerge like steel. It also floats

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Re: Moving Boulders ( 04:14:47 SatApr 13 2013 )

The following is from the club guidlines:

"BOULDER REMOVAL: Prior to the dredging moratorium, your suction dredging permit allowed you to move boulders within the existing stream, as long as you did not remove it out of the creek—and as long as you did not obstruct the passage of fish in the creek or river, or deflect water into the bank."

The newest regulations, which are not in place yet because there is no dredging, do say no mechanical winching.



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Re: Moving Boulders ( 04:19:01 SatApr 13 2013 )

I know Harry, I just threw that in because Rod had said he got hurt with cable.

Old pro said he was a newbie, so I thought a bit of advice might keep him from getting hurt.

And the info is free. :devil:



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Re: Moving Boulders ( 14:20:18 SatApr 13 2013 )

This is why an open forum is so great.

Every horn in the band gets to sound-off which somehow makes music for the interested listener.

I got hurt back in the younger days while setting chokers for hi-lead logging. Never while dredging. The hurt tends to stay with you, no matter from what.

A novice, newbie and even an oldpro can learn from veteran's experiences. Miners helping miners.


  
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Re: Moving Boulders ( 19:43:20 SatApr 13 2013 )

I always drape a towel, shirt, jacket or whatever over the cable, rope or whatever. Either with a mechanical or hand winch. This causes the cable, if it decides to break, to lose it's built up tension and fall gently to the ground instead of winging thru the air like a bat.

  
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Re: Moving Boulders ( 19:51:13 SatApr 13 2013 )

BARK BARK....save that tree. If you use a tree as a connection point use one of these:
http://www.ratchetstraps.com/3-winch-straps
Cable by itself tends to gall the bark and will leave permemanent scarring...a big NO-NO.

  
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Re: Moving Boulders ( 20:35:54 SatApr 13 2013 )

Moving a boulder is easy. You just need to get one AJ and get out of the way.



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Re: Moving Boulders ( 21:14:18 SatApr 13 2013 )

Yup, AJ is right. No better rock man anywhere. No rock too big that it can't be moved.



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Re: Moving Boulders ( 23:45:44 SatApr 13 2013 )

Yep, AJ is a human bulldozer when it come to moving those boulders ! That boy can pack away the groceries:devil: too !

  
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Re: Moving Boulders ( 01:00:21 SunApr 14 2013 )

AJ can Pack away groceries, then haul huge rocks far away and then can carry on a great discussion on any topic you can imagine!

A great guy!
:doublethumbsup::whoohoo:

Joe



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Re: Moving Boulders ( 15:37:48 SunApr 14 2013 )

Thanks guys for all the info! I will do it the safe way Jim. So it appears to me that I can move one with a crowbar in the stream bed. I have a 2000 pound "hand winch" Maybe that wound be considered by hand.:thankyou:

  

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