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Problems With Authorities Can Be Avoided ( 04:59:27 FriApr 19 2013 )

I am writing this as an example of why our club has rules and guidlines. I am also writing in an attempt to avoid any problems we may have in the future.

Our Internal Affairs Staff has worked with the different regulatory agencies for many years in an effort to circumvent not only potential problems for the club, but also to be able to offer our members a hassle free mining experience.

Representatives of the Forest Service, CDFW and Calif. Water Boards have visited claims, been invited to be on hand to see first hand what we do, and how we operate within strict agency guidelines.

We have always been given the green light and even a A+ for our voluntary diligence. I write because of the concern that all we have accomlished may be at risk through the unthoughtful actions of a very few members.

I'll cut right to the chase here and make it short. In our guidlines, our in person conversations, website and message forums we have always asked members to be considerate in regard to filling in their holes when highbanking. :beatingadeadhorse:

Most members are considerate and do fill in their holes, but there are a few who just walk off when they are done.
It is simply not fair to either Dave, or the club's staff, who have worked so hard to cultivate a working relationship with agency personnel, to have our efforts jeopardized by the actions of a few.

So to cut this post short, let me just ask once again that if you put a hole down, please take the time to fill it in when you are done. I know how difficult it is to back-fill a hole after working hard in the hot sun all day, but I do it because it is the right thing to do.

The club's Internal Affairs Staff took some pictures as an example of this problem. The pictures show the situation before, during the time they filled in the holes and after they were filled.

I don't know about you, but I have never thought it was right for someone else to have to clean up after me. In this case our Internal Affairs Staff filled in the holes, as they have been doing for some time now. These particular holes were very visible from the highway, which gives our adversaries, as well as agency people ammunition to use against us.

Please?

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Filling In:



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Re: Problems With Authorities Can Be Avoided ( 05:09:36 FriApr 19 2013 )

It's just not right that old man had to fill that hole by himself.:devil:

Seriously, Jim is right. FILL YOUR DOGGONE HOLES!!!!

  
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Re: Problems With Authorities Can Be Avoided ( 05:13:19 FriApr 19 2013 )

Hey, who you callin' an old man? :devil:

But I was not alone, Rich, another staff member helped.



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Re: Problems With Authorities Can Be Avoided ( 14:40:05 FriApr 19 2013 )

You're right Jim.

There is no excuse for abandoning one's excavation. We have been a bit too easy on the perps. They continue because we make it comfortable for them. Why should they do the right thing when nobody is in their face MAKING them backfill. They are little weasels who think like miserable cowards.

I propose a New 49ers dressage action in responce to proven anti-social behavior. The time is here to grab the dimwits by the ears and cause them to amend their ways. Dave has been tolerant, way tolerant.

  
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Re: Problems With Authorities Can Be Avoided ( 21:16:16 FriApr 19 2013 )

I worked an area in the fall and before leaving another member asked me to not fill the hole because he wanted to work it when I left. Fast forward 5 months and I went back to work that hole some more. Guess what? It hadn't been filled in when that member finished. Needless to day it is filled in now even though I will continue digging there on my next trip. It's really NOT that hard to fill in or even remove fill when you come back.

  
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Re: Problems With Authorities Can Be Avoided ( 02:37:14 SatApr 20 2013 )

This is why I liked to use my booming system so much . I have a proline 3 inch hi-banker dredge combo ,I would start a small hole with the high banker then stop and turn it around and convert it to booming mode.I'd start the pump, fill the hole up with water then start sucking up material.Everything I sucked up would go right back into the same hole I was sucking it out of.So at the end of the day I woud'nt have a hole to fill or have very little anyway. Much more efficient in my opinon and no chance of sediments getting into the river.I'd like to show cfw my operation and get them to change the rule on it.

  
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Re: Problems With Authorities Can Be Avoided ( 02:48:48 SatApr 20 2013 )

That is one excellent benefit of booming rosy. But just remember, you still have to be a hundred yards away from the river or creek.



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Re: Problems With Authorities Can Be Avoided ( 22:57:32 SatApr 20 2013 )

Thank You Jim, Rich, and friends sure you guys would have rather been digging for gold, than filling someone else's holes.

I ran into a couple holes some time back on K25 (not A). The holes looked of similar design to the one in the image. There was this nice pay layer that was from six to ten inches thick right on the suface. This top pay layer was resting on top of another layer, that was who knows how deep and whoever dug the holes (pits) was trying to dig to china but gave up about four foot down. Thay missed the pay-layer on the top and I cleaned up a nice little bit, filling in thier pits as the area was worked.

From the looks of the image I would say someone needs to attend a high-banking outing, because leaving holes makes us all look bad and trying to dig to china makes no sense because there is to much over-burden, over head.

OK maybe it was a frustrated mine-lab user, who just spent two hours digging up a tin can :duuh: No Excuses!

  

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