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newby08
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oregon high banking permit ( 01:18:07 ThuJan 30 2014 )

Ok SO how much is a permit for high banking going to be this year? Looked on the web site and it is free? Unless your running more than 1500 cubic yards of material then its 300. Could someone clarify if Im reading incorrectly.

  
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Re: oregon high banking permit ( 00:33:11 SatFeb 1 2014 )


The limit on the amount of material you may move high banking in Oregon is only 25 cubic yards, according to the Oregon Department of State Lands, and the "General Authorization for
Recreational Placer Mining" you are required to have from them if you are mining in Essential Salmon Habitat (ESH)waters. For more cubic yards, you must get an "Individual Permit"

If you are mining in non ESH waters, you may move up to 50 Cubic Yards without a permit.

Irregardless of whether you are mining with or without their permit, you must follow their regulations that govern all mining that is conducted within "wetlands".

All motorized mining is only authorized in the "wetted perimeter", which means the portion that is under water or on islands surrounded by water that have no vegetation. It is not legal to highbank on exposed stream banks in Oregon.

You can look the regulations up yourself at this link;

Oregon Dept. of State Lands brochure on mining

You also need a permit from ODEQ to be legal, and from the ODEQ website I will copy and paste this;

"DEQ requires an individual NPDES permit for metal mining activities with wastewater discharges to Oregon waters that do not qualify for a NPDES 700-PM permit. An individual NPDES permit is required for high bank machines or other metal mining activities which are located on the bank or upland and discharge to a stream or groundwater. Large suction dredges (powered or siphon/gravity) or mining activities using chemical agents (e.g., cyanide, flocculants) require an individual NPDES permit to discharge to state waters."

quoted from "other mining discharges" on this page

So even though you can get an individual NPDES permit from ODEQ that would authorize highbanking on the streambank as stated above, Oregon Dept of State Lands has no permit option as any form of mining on the exposed banks is not allowed UNLESS you apply for an individual "Joint Fill Removal permit" from them and the USACE US Army Corps of Eng., which is very expensive and takes public notification and possibly public meetings.

The permit you were probably reading about is from ODEQ and is called a WPCF 600 permit, and as is stated on the link above is only for off stream mining activities.

So, in a nut shell, you can only highbank in the flowing water, and need a 700pm permit from ODEQ and the Dept of state land GA permit to do that.

The exposed banks are off limits unless you have big bucks and lots of time.

Mark

and just a quick note, the GA recreational mining permit from state lands is the permit that has been reduced to only 850 permits allowed this year based on seniority.

[2 edits; Last edit by UncleMark at 00:43:57 Sat Feb 1 2014]

  
Rod_Seiad
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Re: oregon high banking permit ( 17:18:36 SunFeb 2 2014 )

Maybe Unclemark's post above could become a sticky?


:thankyou:

  
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Re: oregon high banking permit ( 18:09:52 MonFeb 3 2014 )

Just spoke to oregon deq an they clarified it for me...if working above normal high water mark NO permit is needed it is considered prospecting according to them. If at or below normal high water mark its a $150 permit for 1st year n $25 every year there after. Thats strait from deq his name is Dave Mcgraw # is 503-986-5294 if anyone would like to hear it for them selves to get thier own confirmation. Thanks.

  
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Re: oregon high banking permit ( 10:16:29 TueFeb 4 2014 )

Dave Mcgraw is with DSL not DEQ

Off stream mining applacation with contact numbers
http://www.deq.state.or.us/wq/wqpermit/docs/general/wpcf600/application1.pdf

its kinda gray if its a big bar and your not dumping into the stream it falls under prospecting or shovel sluice
should at least have the DEQ wpcf-600 as it includes 401 water usage.

you can also Highbank and boom on Non-ESH streams as long as you dont dump into the river year-round like the South Umpqua, lower cow creek.... cant think of many that have river bars
current ESH Map
http://chetco-new.dsl.state.or.us/placer/index.html
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[5 edits; Last edit by winners58 at 11:12:03 Tue Feb 4 2014]

  
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Re: oregon high banking permit ( 16:37:43 TueFeb 4 2014 )

Yes, Mark, You certainly are right.

State that the sun rises in the East, document it with daily logged sightings since the year 0001 and some one will say "You're not right because I heard .....".

I find the same with the yearly topic "Can I take my pistol through Canada and up to Alaska?". No matter how many times I explain "it", no matter how many references I provide and no matter how much I share my own knowledge on how to do it legally, there are always those who feel they just have to point out my "mistakes" by quoting some phone answering office receptionist, janitor, next door neighbor or even some gun store owner (with a dog in the fight). :beatingadeadhorse:


I finally just ended up posting the URLs when that subject shows up and let everyone just figure it out for themselves. I don't like that - but what can you do? :confused:

Joe

  
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Re: oregon high banking permit ( 04:10:55 WedFeb 5 2014 )

Wasnt stating he wasnt right Joe was just passing along what I had been informed of and yes Dave does work for DSL but was telling me what the law reads. If you are working above normal high water mark it is considered prospecting provided any run off water is not going directly to a stream. Just going by what I was told tried calling DEQ today but no go on talking with someone there will try again tomorow.

  
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Re: oregon high banking permit ( 20:11:17 WedFeb 5 2014 )

Talked to DEQ and free 600 permit is all thats needed if above normal high water mark.

  

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