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Miners Moss or Not to Miners Moss ? ( 01:50:17 FriMar 10 2006 )


Hello Fellow Miners-

Is "miners moss" worth the extra hassel and cost. Have been using some (unbacked) and its a bear to clean ! Have been stretching it and beating it since last season and Still getting material out---Does it upset the concentrating vortex behind the riffles ?
My sluices have a slate bottom, deep "V" mat, and deep riffled carpet and undercurents below with the same setup--

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated !

Getting ready for the new season as it going to be really great !! Hope to see you All on the river !

  
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Re: Miners Moss or Not to Miners Moss ? ( 04:12:47 FriMar 10 2006 )

I wouldn't be without it. worth the hassle to me. very little retained in it. Found over 1/2 oz in the box/ventura joint. Now that bothers me.
Lee

  
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Re: Miners Moss or Not to Miners Moss ? ( 05:15:53 FriMar 10 2006 )

Thankyou for the reply,
The stuff I have is one inch thick, and have been looking at some that is 1/2". Guess I will pick up some at Arimidillo and try it out..
The box/venturna joint is not too bad, at least you got it, and hopefully there was no leaks. (that would really worry me)
My first dredge (20years ago) had a molded in tool/drink holder thingie with carpet in the float and upon clean up at home found about 1/2 pw in the silly thing.
So much for the saying "gold is where you find it"
As a Side note;
There is an article on world net daily.com about the "bonds" proposed in Calif. and how the various groups are scrambling to get the money.. The Kuraks are right there pitching for "Their Share", for "enviro-management of the Kalamath and to remove the iron gate dam"---
"Beam Me Up Scottie", Ha

  
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Re: Miners Moss or Not to Miners Moss ? ( 06:37:31 FriMar 10 2006 )

I normally use miners moss with a light carpet under it.

1/2" is too thick. Try to find some of the thinner stuff.

And, no it will not affect the vortex. Just make sure that your riffles clamp down tight against it.

  
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Re: Miners Moss or Not to Miners Moss ? ( 19:00:30 FriMar 10 2006 )

Thank You Lip Cal-
You are correct, and I was worried about that old 1" stuff upseting concentration on the bottom of the riffle by wierd eddy currents-- due to the "random nature of the weave" and just plain dead space.

We all need a "Horta" from Star Treck" to eat rocks, and return gold for the privilege--Till that day, will be trying eveything possible to inprove recovery..

Dave, Jim, and many others are really out there doing alot of work for the benifit of all, miners, ranchers, property owners, ect. and need denotations to help win the fight.



  
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Re: Miners Moss or Not to Miners Moss ? ( 05:31:00 SatMar 11 2006 )

Most people don't, but I always use backed miners moss. I find that the moss doesn't push up between the riffles if I ues the backed stuff, nothing can get through it either.

My Pro Mack had the unbacked moss and I had nothing but trouble with it. Also, one other feature I liked is in cleaning it, no need to clean a carpet under it as well. It's an all in one product.

George, if you want to try the backed stuff, I have some if you can get over this way.



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Re: Miners Moss or Not to Miners Moss ? ( 19:00:54 SatMar 11 2006 )

Thank You Jim.

Sounds Great, will try the moss- Have the Pro-mack Highbanker, (the Best!)

Have the radios packaged up and ready to go. Let me know if you need any cable ,connedtors, ect.

More work came in, and will try to get "over the hill Soon", and drop off the gear to you. If you are in the area , feel free to drop in and we can exchange.
(Coffie and Sourdough is always ready for company.)

The article in world net daily. com was "Gone !" the next day....Figgues--

Geo Sr



  
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Re: Miners Moss or Not to Miners Moss ? ( 07:31:01 SunMar 12 2006 )

Well, Jim....

If you want me to take that unbacked moss from your Pro Mack off your hands, i'll be needing some.

  
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Re: Miners Moss or Not to Miners Moss ? ( 18:16:35 SunMar 12 2006 )

I think I may have tossed it Harry, Sorry.



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Re: Miners Moss or Not to Miners Moss ? ( 05:58:24 MonMar 13 2006 )

Since you have an undercurrent sluice you really don’t need miners moss. You don’t want it in the undercurrent because there is not enough water running down there to keep it from filling up with flow sand anyway. So stick with carpet and black ribbed rubber mat down below. Then at the most, depending on your riffle set up on top, you could put a small piece somewhere up there to help catch the stuff that didn’t drop into the undercurrent. Your riffle configurations will play a major role in where you end up putting the miners moss in the top section. I have used backed miners moss under the last 4 riffles in a 5 & 6” Keene with good results. And I have used unbacked miners moss under the first 1/3 with good results also. Miners moss and a heavy damper really save the day in a single sluice but in your over/ under, the only place that moss will help is in catching what didn’t fall down under. Most of this gold can also be caught well by the deep V but by putting in a small piece of moss it might ease your mind a bit and still catch some extra gold. Depending on the size of your dredge, the best thing is to have as many different types of riffles and configurations as possible. I have no more than 4 each of any particular style of riffle in my homebuilt set-up. Preferably no more then 3. A long ¼”+ thick heavy damper that extends at least 1/3 of the way down your sluice box sure helps drop out that fine gold that floats with the air bubbles created by some of the riffles. Moss or no moss, if the gold can’t find it’s way down to the mat, then it won’t get caught.

  
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Re: Miners Moss or Not to Miners Moss ? ( 21:55:26 MonMar 13 2006 )

Thank You Reed-
Agree on the various riffles, have 1/2' riffles with a screen of 3/8' for protection over the first 1/3 of the top box, then "standard" for the rest. Sort of a 2 stage top box, 68" long. the undercureent screen is .187 dia and with water flow control, standard undercurrent (Keen) riffles.
Jim and I are trying to find some "armor weave", window laddice or what ever they are calling it these days, to replace at least 1/2 of those under current riffles..
Pro Mac used the stuff and it is great. Any one know where we can find some, 18" X 36" S/S or Al. Yes the long dampner is great and agree on the undercurrent. Dont want the slury to get loaded up down there.
Hey its cold and snow on the ground, time to get ready for the upcoming season, and my kids tell me to quit worring about it and just get more material thur the box--Ha
Again thankyou for your post, its appreciated...Geo Sr

  
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Re: Miners Moss or Not to Miners Moss ? ( 02:39:12 TueMar 14 2006 )

George I wouldn’t worry about armor weave for down below because 1” flat expanded works fine. I have both the 1” flat and the raised in mine. It’s 1” wide at the narrowest part and maybe 1½” at the widest. I have used armor weave before but for the under current to clean properly you really don’t want much of a riffle down there. The Keene riffles are too high and should be tossed in my opinion... Or you could use four up top under the classifier screen as your beginning riffle type spaced 1½” to 2” apart. It sounds like my favorite set up for a Keene. Did you build it or is it Keene. You can buy the armor weave here.
http://www.allmetalssupply.com/expanded_grating.htm
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Re: Miners Moss or Not to Miners Moss ? ( 21:56:18 TueMar 14 2006 )

Greetings Reed and All-
My 4" dredge is an old 46o8p by Keene, 8hp, power jet heavy battle box monster--Got it new, long time ago. My Sons and I have used it over the years and have fun "tweeking it".
Some where I read that the riffles are to be not much higher than the classiffication opening...so I think you are correct on those lower riffles, can drop hight down or go with the expanded. I still like the old "crash box'" wreck of a dredge, and have "cleaned up" where the fancy new dredges flush their fines or run into clay.
Some day soon will pick up a nice lightweight fancy new one and the boys and I can start worring about a longer box, ect. Ha
Thankyou for your reply and may you find nuggets by the bucketfull""

  
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Re: Miners Moss or Not to Miners Moss ? ( 02:38:28 FriMar 31 2006 )

Thank you to you all out there for your input, will be doing some sampling and testing next month looking over the river.
Don't be a stranger, and pass me by, stop and yack, and see how I do. With "moss" or "Without" its will be great fun!

  
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Re: Miners Moss or Not to Miners Moss ? ( 20:24:06 TueMay 16 2006 )

Hey all,
I spoke with a representative of All Metal Supply, and the product that looks like armor weave is discontinued. They do have a great assortment of expanded metal grating,in everything from aluminum to stainless, but no more armor weave.
If anyone has a current source for this, please E or PM me.
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Karl R
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Re: Miners Moss or Not to Miners Moss ? ( 05:16:49 FriMay 19 2006 )

I went searching for ArmourWeave last year. The only supplier I found was in Australia. They use it for security screens on windows. I forget what it cost, but the freight was PROHIBITIVE!

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Re: Miners Moss or Not to Miners Moss ? ( 11:17:00 FriMay 19 2006 )

Armor Weave.......I CAN GET IT !!!
See my post in the Gold Prospecting section of this forum for details on contacting me, or send me a PM through the forum.
Approx costs are as follows:

16" X 24"........35.00
16" X 48"........68.00
24" X 24"........50.00
24" X 48"........100.00

These are base costs,shipping would be on top of them.
I've already spoken with a company willing to make this in batches of four 48" X 96" sheets.
I'm planning on keeping one for myself, so if enough of you want some to justify the order of the other 3 sheets, we can all once again have Armor Weave for our sluices.
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Re: Miners Moss or Not to Miners Moss ? ( 02:22:25 SunFeb 15 2009 )

Hey MidwestDredger can you still get Armor Weave? Scott

  
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Re: Miners Moss or Not to Miners Moss ? ( 06:45:56 SunFeb 15 2009 )

Scott, I haven't heard from Midwest dredger in a long while. He mite not reply. I have searched for it and haven't been able to find the exact product.

  
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Re: Miners Moss or Not to Miners Moss ? ( 12:24:48 SunFeb 15 2009 )

Do not count on a reply from midwestdredger for at least 20 years as he is in prison.
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Re: Miners Moss or Not to Miners Moss ? ( 16:12:37 SunFeb 15 2009 )

That post from MidwestDredger is from 2006. Sometimes forum members forget that they need to look at the dates on a post before replying.

We tend to think that everything that is posted is posted right now. But many threads just sit there when the subject runs out until someone finds it, thinks it is current and replies to it.



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Re: Miners Moss or Not to Miners Moss ? ( 21:38:10 SunFeb 15 2009 )

oops, scrolling thru to many threads.

  

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