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Fantastic new Mining Property! ( 06:09:49 WedMay 6 2009 )

I am very excited to inform you that The New 49'ers has just purchased a half-mile of river property in the heart of one of the most gold-rich areas along the Klamath River! The location details, images, a map, and even the (fantastic) preliminary sampling report can be found in our May newsletter.


The newsletter also includes an update concerning our ongoing political and legal challenges. I want to thank all of you for your continued assistance in helping us get through them!

  
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Re: Fantastic new Mining Property! ( 15:41:28 WedMay 6 2009 )

I saw wing dams mentioned in Dave's report on this new claim. I always thought "Wing Dams" were just straight line barriers that diverted the rivers away from where the old miners wanted to work. From the description of wing dams, I just looked up, that these dams were "U" shaped, starting from the the bank and working out into the river and then coming back to the same side, further down river. I guess they had two parallel walls of boulders about six feet apart and filled in between with gravel and rocks that made up the walls of the wing dam. I heard of people finding these wing dams ?? I also thought these wing dams were made out of wood??

  
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Re: Fantastic new Mining Property! ( 16:57:30 WedMay 6 2009 )

Scooters - There are some pictures of a wing dam n2gold took last year on another claim.
http://bb.bbboy.net/thenew49ers-viewthread?forum=1&thread=451

It is similar to the one found on K2A.
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Re: Fantastic new Mining Property! ( 00:54:40 ThuMay 7 2009 )

Thanks Rattled !!
I have another question. I saw another section of the newsletter where Dave was very careful selecting his word.
"Please be mindful that our internal affairs people will be looking in on all campers to make sure you have a self-contained system (portable toilet) present. No exceptions!"
I've heard about these "Internal Affairs People". They show up just before the sun comes up, with a megaphone in hand, and yell,"RESISTANCE IS FUTILE, show us your self - contained system. DO NOT RESIST !!" "Otto's" name was mentioned. Is he one of them?

  
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Re: Fantastic new Mining Property! ( 01:25:17 ThuMay 7 2009 )

Don't worry about the IA folks. First, these are new 49ers members that are just making sure the membership is following the rules of the club. Just follow the rules of the club you are fine. Have question about something, call the office and they'll be happy to explain it for you.

In the event that you do make a mistake, it does happen every once in awhile, these folks are nice. They'll point what’s wrong and how to correct it and leave it at that. Most of the time another member will just point it out to you.

Every once in a blue moon some fool will be out there and that's where we want the IA folks to keep them from spoiling it for the rest of us.

Look at the rules, they really are just common sense.

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Re: Fantastic new Mining Property! ( 02:07:48 ThuMay 7 2009 )

Thank you for the calming effect, Rattled. Your words are very reassuring that the Internal Affairs People are not the Gestopo. Rattled, can you imagine anyone showing up on any claim, at dawn, and use a bullhorn to say, "Resistance is futile, I want to look at your ?&$# ?????"
I know the people that Dave organized to watch the claims will be nice and will be careful not to hurt anyone's feelings. That's just how Dave likes to run this club.
Hey Rattled, do you think these internal affairs people will be wearing a special hat or have whistle on a string?

  
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Re: Fantastic new Mining Property! ( 05:17:21 ThuMay 7 2009 )

Hey Rattled, do you think these internal affairs people will be wearing a special hat or have whistle on a string?
No, they'll be wearing a mask, wetsuit and New 49er name tag.. we are all the IA
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Re: Fantastic new Mining Property! ( 05:59:25 FriMay 8 2009 )

The truth is that, the way things are, I probably worry about the "Resistance is futile, I want to look at your ?&$# ?????" scenario more than anyone!! Not in the Club; but in a world where government gains more control over our lives every day. Those guys are also looking more and more at our activity every day. It's the reason why we must all have our acts together.

"Internal Affairs" sounds pretty scary. We were using "Welcoming Committee" for a while; but it doesn't really describe the function.

One problem is that there is a very small percentage of people who will not conform to any set of reasonable guidelines or conform to civilized behavior. When they show up in our program, we have to have a way to deal with them, or they place the whole program at risk. We have run several people out of the Club over the years, mainly because they were basically criminals. We don't want bad guys around.

Our "Internal Affairs" guys are volunteers who I have personally appointed. Most of the time, they are just doing their own thing (prospecting) like any other members.

But when a situation comes up, they are all over it. "Situations" generally fall into 3 categories:

1) Disputes between members, or between members and locals or the authorities. This doesn't happen very often. Sometimes its about crossing over some local private property without permission. Once in a while, members can have a dispute about a private mining area on our properties; who was there first, etc. Our guys help solve these kind of problems when they come up.

2) Uncivilized behavior out on the mining properties or in the campgrounds. There is no call for a single person to make the overall experience miserable for everyone else. Maybe someone's dog turns out to be a menace. Things like this sometimes need to be adjudicated by Club staff with some authority, although it is almost never necessary in The New 49'ers.

3) The main concern ties to the concept of "substantial surface disturbance." Our entire legal foundation with the authorities revolves around this single concept of keeping our cumlative surface impact to a minimum. Because if we exceed a minimum standard as a group activity, each individual member will find yourself negotiating your own terms with the authorities. Believe me; it is much easier for everyone involved if we can just internally manage our own affairs!

Under my personal direction, our Internal Affairs guys are all over this. This is where the 10 dredges per mile concept comes from. It is where the need for self contained toilet facilities comes from. Most of our published rules revolve around agreements which we have made with the authorities about how we can keep our cumulative surface impact to a level which is considered less than significant.

Sanitation is a big one. Contrary to Ratled's well-meaning explanation, if you see someone squatting down behind a tree with some toilet paper, I don't think you should be very nice about it. This is a totally appropriate situation where you ought to use the megaphone on high volume: "Resistance is futile, I want to look at your ?&$# ?????"

The 10 dredges per mile is another big one. That's why you see us going to so much effort to work out a fair program as to who can start on opening day. Don't worry about it too much; people come and go in a matter of days. Sometimes in a matter of hours! Everybody will get a chance.

But we will be all over it if someone puts an 11th dredge in there! That would place our whole program at risk! Someone would do it for sure if we did not have an effective mechanism to control it. "Welcome Committee" does not fit that job description very well...

Big holes dug on the bank, or dredged into the bank, are another big one. This is because the cumulative impact from these could easily be classed as a "substantial surface disturbance," and place our entire program at risk. You would be surprised at how many people just walk away from open holes! You know who fills them in? It's the Internal Affairs guys (volunteers)! Or, sometimes the holes are big enough that they have to organize work parties to fill them in.

We had one member who made a huge hole in the stream bank once, right next to the river. And she refused to fill it in. So our Internal Affairs guys arranged for others to fill it in. Then we wrote a formal letter to that member which cancelled her right to do any further high-banking on our properties. She wasn't very happy about that. And I was sorry to sign the letter, because she is a very nice lady. Some things are not easy!

Fortunately, in our group, disciplinary action is almost never necessary. The vast majority of members do their best to minimize impact. We have a great bunch of members!

The rules are all reasonable, common sense solutions which have evolved over the years -- mainly because somebody was doing something that was going to get us in trouble. We could not exist without the rules.

There are no "Big Brothers" (at least from the Club) hiding behind trees out in the forest looking for trouble. I just pointed out the need to look in on campers concerning sanitary issues, because these are an important concern that comes up more often than you would think. One of the worst jobs our Internal Affairs guys have to contend with, is scooping up a bunch of used toilet paper and other stuff into trash bags from behind trees. I'm sure you get the idea...

The good thing is that we have volunteers to take care of these things, so I don't have to be walking around with a trash bag in one hand and a megaphone in the other!

Thanks for trying to understand!

  
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Re: Fantastic new Mining Property! ( 13:37:57 FriMay 8 2009 )

I have made a mistake with my poor selection of words and I am sorry if I offended anyone. I should have known better. My attempt at trying to be funny was not humorous at all as read my post from a few days ago, and I would like to apologize for my bad judgement. Russ

  
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Re: Fantastic new Mining Property! ( 23:55:23 FriMay 8 2009 )

Scooter

I understood your comments to be "tongue in cheek", but I understand why Dave couldn't let them slide by as such, without delineating the bigger picture. Thus, I feel that you have performed an accidental service to the club, and I'd like to thank Dave for expanding the concept and explaining in detail so that we all might work together to police each other, as needed, and save this great opportunity, as represented by the club, from the clutches of rampant Bureacratic oversight!

Thanks to you both!!!

  
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Re: Fantastic new Mining Property! ( 00:28:37 SatMay 9 2009 )

Yes; I agree with this, too! In fact, I think I'll capture the explanation and create a link to the main site so that others can gain a better understanding of how and why we do things.

Thanks for this, Scooters!!

Dave Mack

  
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Re: Fantastic new Mining Property! ( 21:25:16 SatMay 9 2009 )

Since we are on the subject of sanitation, what and where are the closest locations to "dispose of properly" the Porta Potti waste bags and also the Porta Potti waste tanks? I have a small truck camper and I don't like to hang on to that stuff too long!
Thanks, Jack

  
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Re: Fantastic new Mining Property! ( 23:09:12 SatMay 9 2009 )

You should be able to drop it off at Leaf Hillmans, im sure he wouldnt mind as he has always been full of it

  
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Re: Fantastic new Mining Property! ( 23:17:55 SatMay 9 2009 )

There are dump stations in Happy Camp that can be accessed by the public, and I think there might be one in Seiad Valley but not sure on that.

  
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Re: Fantastic new Mining Property! ( 04:24:20 SunMay 10 2009 )

That was a complete and very well done "sleeper" colo_nuggets. I almost fell out of my chair. The conversation was going along so seriously and then you get to the bombshell. :doublethumbsup: :whoohoo: :devil:



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Re: Fantastic new Mining Property! ( 15:07:10 SunMay 10 2009 )

:devil:

  
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Re: Fantastic new Mining Property! ( 21:33:55 SunMay 10 2009 )

Sigh...I just knew that my serious question was going to run amock! I agree with you Colo Nuggets but I should probably get an OK from the office. "Resistance is futile, I want to look at your ?&$# ?????"

Bags??? I don't need to show my steeenking bags!!!


  

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