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jeff_jas
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karuk DFG - leggs ( 16:35:20 TueOct 16 2007 )

so i am curious now
where would the karuk DFG case stand at this moment?

They didn't get funding to conduct the EIR; so does the case drop now?

  
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Re: karuk DFG - leggs ( 01:49:03 WedOct 17 2007 )

No, the case does not drop. The judge retained control of the case.

They are still under court order to do the EIR. There was a bill passed a short while ago that funded fish and game programs near the coast for salmon and water, that bill included the money for the EIR in this case.



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Re: karuk DFG - leggs ( 03:53:18 WedOct 17 2007 )

I wonder if any EIR are "transparent" to actually know what they are going to actually be looking at??

I would think that they cannot follow the route of "demagoguery" where they use "apples and oranges" or "half-truths" or "false authority" all COMMON tactics of demagogues to build "logical fallicies" (the kind of stuff that judges and others who do not educate themselves will "eat-up" as if it were VALID.

The most amazing in this aspect is the research being done to encourage Dam removals around the country!!!


  
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Re: karuk DFG - leggs ( 10:08:39 WedOct 17 2007 )

according to this danny boy (fish sniffer again) and cal trout they say/think/ that DFG won't have the funds; and arnold is a baaaaaaaaad boy.

what's funny is danny is asked what data he has for his opinion and he quotes the karuks myths.

http://www.fishsniffer.com/cgi-bin/forumsyabb/YaBB.pl?num=1192388187
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NOTE: sorry the link above no longer works, the author, dan bacher, of the thread removed it.

Several of us tried to post references and facts, at his Fishsniffer website forum, disputing his incorrect reporting of suction mining being determental to salmon as having shown "conclusively' in the karuk lawsuit: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=inurl%3Aindybay+mining_barrels+bacher&btnG=Search

Not only did he remove all mentions of any kind about the karuk in our responses, but he then removed the entire thread that he himself had began, and all of the references and actual facts and depositions disputing his allegations.

Mr. Bacher stated that the mere mention of the word karuk as "a group" was rascist, that it wasn't a board for miners, and we were 'attacking' his friends.

Poof the truths were gone from the website. (Although I managed to save at least the first page from google cache which shows zero racsium or attacks - simply facts and dialouge)

Some articles Dan bacher offers can be found at the People's Weekly World, a Communism for America website. http://www.pww.org/index.php/article/author/view/593

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Re: karuk DFG - leggs ( 04:34:47 ThuOct 18 2007 )

You mean the same "tribes" one of which gillnetted 21,000 king salmon this year (according to a news story)????

lets see 21000 fish lets say half are hens 10,500 multiplied by a 5000 egg average for king salmon

That results in 52.5 million eggs that can never hatch!!! if the survival rate were even 1% of that number, it would result in 525,000 future fish not returning.

Now compare that to all other recreational miners, boaters, swimmers, etc. combined and you'll see that it PALES in comparison....when there has not even been shown ANY direct mortality!!!

somehow focusing on KNOWN vs. "mythology" makes a hell of a lot more sense....to bad there is little to no "sense" with people nowadays.

  
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Re: karuk DFG - leggs ( 23:48:39 SunOct 21 2007 )

Well I see we have until December 18, 2007 to submit our comments and/or information to DFG.

Research here I come LOL :smile:


  

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