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Re: What happened to Ron Paul? ( 00:08:09 SatFeb 2 2008 )

One thing that might help is to see some posts on the other forums. Also Glenn Beck is giving air time to Paul on his CNN program. I just through reading a great article that Paul wrote and Glenn posted on his news letter.















  
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Re: What happened to Ron Paul? ( 01:29:15 SatFeb 2 2008 )

what happened to Paul??

well just ANOTHER EXAMPLE to let you know, the Associated Press and Fox News today failed to report Paul's quarter 4 donation numbers!!! while giving numbers for other candidates (despite the fact that paul's numbers have been available all along as he publicly shows them)

Omit the leading republican?? Not report his 2nd place finish in Nevada and first place finish in Louisiana (submarined by the state GOP there).

Do people really believe that is a mere "accident"??

http://www.nolanchart.com/article1623.html

  
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Re: What happened to Ron Paul? ( 07:45:18 SatFeb 2 2008 )

If you have a high speed connection I urge you to watch this 1 hour independent documentary about presedential elections entitled "SPIN"....this will change the way you view things as you see how it is all "produced", a simple electronic "fantasy" of manipulation.

This is "what happened to Paul" in a nutshell.

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/43.html

  
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Re: What happened to Ron Paul? ( 19:06:47 SatFeb 2 2008 )

Mr.Kelley,

I don't think its too much of a strectch to say that unless we see some serious "correction" in our steady progression in the power of the "state" it WON'T MATTER because the 49ers won't be around anymore as another one of its casualites.... The ONLY solution to not be a casuality is through reform of the political system...LAWSUITS which we have been embroiled in are a "seige" and not thus far "pro-active" to deal with the problem.

So, it is a "double-edged sword" but I can't see why advocating a return to the Constitution should be devisive, in fact it should have the opposite effect because the Constitution is the only thing protecting the minority interests in our society. Paul is the sole candidate that has proven his loyalty to the Constitution as intended by the founders and as a person with the stated will to actually "eliminate" some of the power, reach, agencies ot the Gov beyond those in ARTICLE 1 Section 8 of the Constitution (its actual limits of power).




  
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Re: What happened to Ron Paul? ( 20:15:26 SatFeb 2 2008 )

Dave,

I am also surprised at the mass numbers of Ron Paul supporters. With the lack of media coverage it has not been an easy process to find and appreciate his message. I am an American patriot and have been very saddened by what direction I see our country headed with no seeming way to stop it.

I also sent money to Ron Paul's movement. Because I can see now that is what it has become. I see the young kids standing on the street corner holding signs in Ron Paul's support. I think I may go join them and bring my friends with me. Even though that is not very many if we all bring someone to the fight I believe there is a good chance the message will be heard.

Thank you Dave and all for helping me make my decision.

Claudia

  
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Re: What happened to Ron Paul? ( 01:15:18 SunFeb 3 2008 )

Since Dave Mack owns this forum, if he chooses to start a thread on Ron Paul, he can certainly do it.



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Re: What happened to Ron Paul? ( 03:30:23 SunFeb 3 2008 )

The entire political system is falling under the spell of
"THE PRINCE", (do as I say, not as I do, OR ELSE) !!

No matter how many Promices, Interaction, Dicussion, Negoation, etc. etc.etc. will anyting change for the betterment of the masses, only the higher ups.

Politions should be paid inacordance to "How much they SAVE taxpayers" Not for how much they can take away from them.
Politions are supost to represent us, not screw us.

So what does the future hold for us little people?
Short of a revoulation soon, just sit back and enjoy the dounward spiral and our society as we know it, it will only exist in books of history. (If books are authorized)

Would ou like a glass of Madera, my dear?

  
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Re: What happened to Ron Paul? ( 04:05:13 SunFeb 3 2008 )

Hey Bob !
See you have been knocking the rust off the razor.
Good to see you kicking......still.

The behavior of the government sometimes makes me wonder if they are privy to an pending astroid hit.
Or, is it simply the further in time we get away from the writers of our constituion, the blurrier the princple of our existence becomes.
As like with every great civilization, collapse from without, collapse from within, but collaspe all the same.
I just hope they don't screw up NASA, cause I want to see'm land a fella on Mars.


  
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Re: What happened to Ron Paul? ( 05:48:43 SunFeb 3 2008 )

Hi Bob,

For crying out loud, don't give those SOBs any more ideas.
Next thing you know the will hit us with an Asteriod Tax !!
(of Universal proportions)

Give me a call, we'll get together for a repass. We need to get caught up !!

Bob

  
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Re: What happened to Ron Paul? ( 11:27:55 SunFeb 3 2008 )

"Whether it be one man or all of the candidates. Like religion it's a sensitive and private issue to some.

Whereas, I have no control over this forum or selection of topics I always thought they would be more centered around mining and saving the rights to do such!"


I don't know you mr. Kelley and I am positive that No one believes that people shouldn't have their own opinions and reasons for ANYTHING and EVERYTHING. This thread has nothing to do with squelching people's own ideas or opinions. I haven't noticed any words trying to force horses to drink water.

Please be mindful that when you state, "saving the rights to do such [mine]" that is most certainly related to electing the chief executive (since in the realm of the federal gov. miners on federal claims deal exclusively with the "executive" branch interpretations and subsequent regulations. Prudence would require that the person hiring and firing the administrators of the various agencies be one that believes in private property rights and the actual constitutional limit of power of the federal government itself as this knowledge would have a profound effect on who they select to head the agencies and their sworn duty to uphold the Constitution (even if unfortunately the agencies are literally unconstitutional in their very existence by violating the 10th Amendment)

Recently the 49ers found out exactly how important a chief executive is to mining rights by a VETO, albeit from the State governor...something that may be potentially necessary in the very near future again with the heightened efforts to change the federal mining law. Unfortunately, without having a large financial interest to "buy" favor like most D.C. insiders you have to rely on politicians who actually care for reasons other than money without being beholden to some other special interest, favoritism, ideology, etc. and etc.

In this there is NO HARM or FOUL in discourse over a strict constitutionalist who likely won't win the presidency but is thankfully and more importantly sparking interest of scores of young people to abandon the rampant "collectivism" and socialism of the day for the cause of liberty to which the constitution was made to protect above all else. Liberty is the cornerstone of any free society and is becoming more and more mired today in reams of laws and regulations that are but chains literally choking the people to death as subjects of "state".



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Re: What happened to Ron Paul? ( 03:03:55 MonFeb 4 2008 )

Great discussion, you guys (and Claudia)!

It's like I said at the beginning of this thread: This is the only topic on the news channels -- probably until November. And the results of this election will likely be the most important thing affecting the future of our industry (and America). So, it doesn't seem off base (to me) to have a lively discussion about it.

Here is Message I got today from Ron Paul:
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America became the greatest, most prosperous nation in history through low taxes, constitutionally limited government, personal freedom, and a belief in sound money. We need to return to those principles so our economy can thrive once again.

Other candidates talk a lot about stimulus packages, but my record stands alone. I have fought for these measures in Congress as the Ranking Member on the House Financial Services Committee's Subcommittee on Domestic and International Monetary Policy, Trade and Technology, and as a member of the Joint Economic Committee, and will fight for their passage as president.

My plan entails four points: Tax Reform, Spending Reform, Monetary Policy Reform, and Regulatory Reform.

Tax reform means reducing the tax burden and eliminating taxes that punish investment and savings, including job-killing corporate taxes. If we cut spending to the level it was at under the Clinton administration, we can permanently do away with the income tax and the IRS. No true conservative would say that government was too small during the Clinton years!

There are several steps we can take to immediately ease the tax burden. I have proposed H.J. Res 23, which would repeal the Sixteenth Amendment and thus eliminate income, estate, and capital gains taxes. H.R. 191 would repeal President Clinton's 1993 increase in taxes on Social Security benefits, while H.R. 192 would repeal all taxes on Social Security benefits. I also support legislation to accelerate depreciation on investment and end the practice of taxing forgiven mortgage debt.

In the area of spending reform, I want to eliminate wasteful spending, reduce overseas commitments, and freeze all non-defense, non-entitlement spending at current levels. I never vote for pork-laden bills, and I will veto them and any unbalanced budget as president. We need to refocus our national defense so that we guard our own borders, instead those of other nations. We can save billions if we stop subsidizing our trading partners in Europe, Japan, South Korea and other nations. Congress does not have the constitutional authority to send out foreign aid, and our current foreign policy of nation building is bankrupting us.

Monetary policy reform means expanding openness at the Federal Reserve and requiring the Fed to televise its meetings, as well as returning to sound money. Washington's disastrous fiscal policies, marked by shameless deficit spending and Federal Reserve currency devaluation, are some of the greatest threats facing our nation today. It is this one-two punch — Congress spending more than it can tax or borrow, and the Treasury printing money to make up the difference -- that threatens to impoverish us by further destroying the value of our dollars. It's time to end the fiat money system, legalize competing currencies, and restore soundness to our dollar.

Finally, we need to institute true regulatory reform by repealing Sarbanes/Oxley's regulations that push companies to seek capital outside of U.S. markets. Congress' rush to action after the Enron scandal gave us a bill that has heavily burdened small businesses and driven companies offshore. I also support repealing federal regulations that prevent financial institutions such as independent and community banks and credit unions from fostering economic growth.

A true package to stimulate the economy not only puts money back in Americans' pockets, it deals with the underlying causes of our current situation - an out-of-control foreign policy, runaway deficit spending, and currency devaluation brought on by the Federal Reserve's inflationary policies. When enacted, my plan will provide both short-term stimulus and lay the groundwork for long-term prosperity.

  
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Re: What happened to Ron Paul? ( 03:46:42 MonFeb 4 2008 )

Some thoughts in response to your last query, Dave...

LAST CHANCE…

…to save America from its evil twin!

The final battle between “Corporate USA”
And “Constitutional USA” has just begun!


The Honorable Ron Paul, Senator from Texas, is a man who recognizes and remembers what America is really all about. He should be our next president. He alone stands by the principles and provisions outlined by our founding fathers in our Bill of Rights and our Declaration of Independence as assured under law by our US Constitution.

YOU CHOOSE!

Corporate USA –- whether Democrat (Liberal) or Republican (Neoconservative) is driven by elitist greed, treachery and self-advantage and is leading the people of America on a path to feudal mediocrity, subjugation by taxation and eventual tyranny.

Constitutional USA -- is guided by Divinely-inspired Universal, non-partisan common sense principles governing our natural and inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as guaranteed under written constitutional law.

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Realistically, how many of us believe the Honorable Mr. Paul will actually win the election in his admirable effort to restore the office of the American Presidency to its once trusted and respected position from within the present commercially and privately fostered infrastructure? I think most of us realize that it is very likely he will not. Does this mean a vote for Mr. Paul will be a wasted vote… I think not, and here is why.

What Mr. Paul’s candidacy will reveal, however, is just how large the body of at least partially enlightened and aware Americans there is who would choose to restore and preserve our legal and constitutionally founded government, rather than submit to the deception and tyranny behind a corporate fascist state controlled by international bankers and military industrialists. As such, Mr. Paul’s endeavors will be significant.

This is the body of “real” American people who can, if they choose, take the next step and make the “revolutionary” decision to restore and preserve this “legal” legacy even in the face of what may seem to be the overwhelming force of our present “illegal” government. For those who are not aware that what is said here has foundation in historical fact, it can be easily proven to anyone willing to study our American history.

Most of us who recognize the importance of our forefather’s legacy will also be aware of what I’m referring to regarding “legal” and “illegal” government and also realize the importance of a well-informed citizenry, genuinely independent media, and government limited by constitutional law, because without these, “legal” government cannot and does not survive. The media is the fulcrum between the people and government

So, what are the options if Mr. Paul isn’t elected our president?

If we stretch our imaginations a bit here we can see the makings of a “popular movement” in the process of development. Why wouldn’t the preservation of our national heritage, given the right kind of educational stimulus and encouragement, become as far-reaching as, say, the “STAR-TREK”, the “AMWAY”, or the “Cheese-burger” phenomenon? Why would those of us who cherish our Constitutional and “legally” protected natural rights allow an “illegal” private corporate consortium to steal them from us?

Isn’t it conceivable that by means of appropriate Internet networking, especially now during a time of electioneering when political passions are at their peak, that a “Save the Nation” program could be inspired that would create the educational and inspirational infrastructure for a defacto CYBER-NATION aimed at restoring our Constitutional Republic to its proper status in the hearts and minds of the American people.


It’s a long shot for sure, but once people become aware that the Hon. Ron Paul may be the last hope for any of us to salvage what’s left of the only nation of the people in human history to be founded by the people in a conscious act of freedom for the people, a “movement” may be born, with Mr. Paul at its fore-front. Whether he wins or loses the approaching parody we dare to call an election, he, and the “movement” may nonetheless come to life and prevail in securing what our nation is about.

Let’s face it, we are already two nations at present, the “illegal” one is rapidly displacing the “legal” one simply declaring itself into existence, while the “legal” one seems to have had no back-bone or voice. Ron Paul is offering to be that voice on our behalf. The least we can do is give him a reason to speak for us.

Those are just my thoughts, Dave… I know from past conversations we’ve had that you have the drive, the integrity and the following to make something of this nature happen if you were sufficiently inspired to undertake it. What have we to lose by discussing the many possibilities?

Paladin

See links below:

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/about/


http://www.ronpaulforums.com/


http://www.house.gov/paul/bio.shtml


http://www.ronpaulforpresident2008.com/news/


https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/


  
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Re: What happened to Ron Paul? ( 08:12:07 MonFeb 4 2008 )

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fj45lvr
Like I said, I have no problem about discussing Ron Paul as long as the we can open the forum to discussing the other candidates on the issue of mining. But since we have gone the path with Ron Paul let’s open the forum to same sex unions, scientology, or Wicca. But as the forum Stasi mentioned I don't own this forum. I thought this was a mining forum to discuss mining issues, my bad!
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Well discussing a candidate for president is connected to mining as I already mentioned...where you come up with these other things is really "off the wall" as they have no relation to mining at all. Mining obviously has different aspects, it could be scientific, recreation, business, methods/techniques and most certainly Legal/political. This forum uses the word "socialize" so I don't understand where any narrow guidelines you mention is coming from.

I guess you must know more information that I and others don't know because in frequenting the forum I have never noticed any comments that would infer discussing the election inappropriate and it obviously has profound effects on all of us either in mining or how the gov. uses upwards of 40% of your earnings.




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If any of you thought for one second that electing Ron Paul would solve current or future mining issues I got a $100 bill for you. Because if you go over to the other camps you'll find that the same hopes where being pinned on him for energy, salmon, removal of the dams, elimination of surface mining.
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I haven't heard anything like this before, where are these other "camps" to look at their comments in these regards?? I am very interested to take a look.

It is funny how people place alot of "hopes" on the chief executive for things that are NOT at all within his control at all unless the constitution was ammended to "add" some executive powers for them. Paul more than any other candidate is well grounded on the "finite and limited" powers of the gov. including the executive branch (wishful thinking would allow him if elected to install justices that were similarly grounded to stop the hemmorraging we face...as the founders noted in their expressed intent the Federal governments powers were to be "finite and limited" while those of the sovereign states were to be "numerous and unlimited". The proper place of federalism would greatly aid mining interests in many states in the Union (maybe not so much California, Oregon, and Washington with a large amount of liberals electing the expansive governments, but their purse strings would be trimmed considerably except for California which I have heard would actually retain more of their money from being distributed elsewhere)

I don't think it would "solve" instantly anything but it would be a HUGE step in the proper direction, most certainly dealing with agency regulations which dwarf actual "law".
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Re: What happened to Ron Paul? ( 15:23:43 MonFeb 4 2008 )

Although the New 49er's logo is on the head of this, notice please that it is on a different server and NOT part of the New 49er's web site, tho there is a link to here as well as to many other sites/forums. We have no need to discuss same sex unions, scientology, or Wicca.
This is a forum to better and further the interests of the mining community and to dissimenate information on different mining issues. The scope of what happened to Ron Paul is in the interest of the mining community as he is for our constitutional rights of which there is an under current going on to do away with the 1872 mining laws spearheaded by of all people, a miners child from Nevada. In "my never to be humble opinion", (quoted from Dr Laura), this IS in our interest. We never get a chance to vote for the best man for the job, just get to pick the one who we feel will do the least amount of damage if elected. I for one am tired of the "socker moms" and the others that don't take the time to really find out where a candidate stands but instead just vote the way the media or their union tells them.
Guess that's why they are called "sheeple".

Also, If anybody has a problem with a topic, then don't go there. It's your choice to click on it or don't click on it. Always seems to be a couple of miscontents on every forum and they try to spoil it for the rest. Good example is a major corporation and their forum. Moderators are constantly obliterating threads. Here, we have Jim who's views are very open. Although he may not care for the topic or the way it is going, he doesn't censor very much. Only ones I've seen edited out were personal assaults or of porno type that belongs on no forum.
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Re: What happened to Ron Paul? ( 15:35:54 TueFeb 5 2008 )

Arizonans give candidate Ron Paul boost in fourth quarter
PHOENIX - Maverick presidential candidate Ron Paul rode a national wave of Internet fundraising to collect more money in Arizona last quarter than any candidate except John McCain, according to Federal Election Commission data.

  
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Re: What happened to Ron Paul? ( 22:50:38 SatFeb 9 2008 )

I'd like to share this message just received from Ron Paul... Some of you who also support this man will have no doubt already received it, so I apologise for the repeat.

My reason is simply to point out that the "message" sounds to me like one from a "realist". The battle to save America isn't going to be won "by him" in "this particular election". That should be clear to all of us.

On the contrary, I believe that this "message" simply announces that there IS such a battle going on... and that it won't end simply because the "Internationlist Businessmen" have once again stolen the office of the presidency to our country.

Those who are aware need only remember that the country "They" claim to rule over is an illegal fabrication of their own making, an ideawhose infrastructure they control by deception... it is not "Our" legal country... the country and the idea given to us by our forefathers.

The idea that our forefathers gave to us is up to us, the People, to maintain, just as Ron Paul has done. He is our living proof that it can be done, just by being aware and determined, as he has done, even in the midst of a festering vipers nest for all these years.

He need offer us no excuses for why we are about to lose our country, because he is the best example of being a true American any of us could hope for. If we suspect we're losing our country to these deceptive interlopers, maybe we need to examine our own excuses.

Nuff said!

Paladin
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Message from Ron Paul:

February 8, 2008

Whoa! What a year this has been. And what achievements we have had. If I may quote Trotsky of all people, this Revolution is permanent. It will not end at the Republican convention. It will not end in November. It will not end until we have won the great battle on which we have embarked. Not because of me, but because of you. Millions of Americans -- and friends in many other countries -- have dedicated themselves to the principles of liberty: to free enterprise, limited government, sound money, no income tax, and peace. We will not falter so long as there is one restriction on our persons, our property, our civil liberties. How much I owe you. I can never possibly repay your generous donations, hard work, whole-hearted dedication and love of freedom. How blessed I am to be associated with you. Carol, of course, sends her love as well.

Let me tell you my thoughts. With Romney gone, the chances of a brokered convention are nearly zero. But that does not affect my determination to fight on, in every caucus and primary remaining, and at the convention for our ideas, with just as many delegates as I can get. But with so many primaries and caucuses now over, we do not now need so big a national campaign staff, and so I am making it leaner and tighter. Of course, I am committed to fighting for our ideas within the Republican party, so there will be no third party run. I do not denigrate third parties -- just the opposite, and I have long worked to remove the ballot-access restrictions on them. But I am a Republican, and I will remain a Republican.

I also have another priority. I have constituents in my home district that I must serve. I cannot and will not let them down. And I have another battle I must face here as well. If I were to lose the primary for my congressional seat, all our opponents would react with glee, and pretend it was a rejection of our ideas. I cannot and will not let that happen.

In the presidential race and the congressional race, I need your support, as always. And I have plans to continue fighting for our ideas in politics and education that I will share with you when I can, for I will need you at my side. In the meantime, onward and upward! The neocons, the warmongers, the socialists, the advocates of inflation will be hearing much from you and me.

Sincerely,

Ron

  

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