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Making a change and looking for a little help. ( 04:01:36 SatJul 5 2008 )



Hi everyone, I've spent the last few days reading everything I can get my hands on about Happy Camp as well as the New 49'ers Mining Club and now I'm just totally in love. I'm in love with the idea of living with kindred spirits helping one another making a living and working for yourself.
I'm no stranger to large cities or small towns for I spent 6 yrs in the Navy seeing the world. But I really need some advice about relocating to Happy Camp and becoming a full time 49'er Miner.
I'm totally new to this mining thing and I intend on becoming a 49'er member real soon but here are a few questions.
1) Starting out with a 4 or 5 inch dredge working it full time "cause you love what you do" until winter then moving it down to the areas you can still mine " with a bigger wet suit of coarse ". How much could you count on making in a year being a full time miner? Trust me when I say I wouldn't mind going bigger but all in due time.
2) Once you get the gold where do you turn it into and how much do you really make off an ounce if the market says 950.00 per ounce?
3) Anyone renting out a house close by or in Happy Camp that's 2 or 3 bdrm with A/C? I would even think about buying a cheaper but clean RV with A/C if anyone had one up there for sale.

Any help with this would be great guys for I'm really looking forward to getting out of L.A. and making a change, plus ya’ll going to love my Acorn Squash for the Saturday Pot Luck!

Sincerely,

Covil Swearingen

  
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Re: Making a change and looking for a little help. ( 04:36:24 SatJul 5 2008 )

Hi Covil

I suggest you to have a look around in the old forums to get as many answers.

About 3 pennyweigth of gold per day would be the minimum everywhere on the klamath river with a 5'', I like to call it like Gold radiation (Like waves radiation you get on a radio when you are out of from the edible channels). Whereever you dig you should be getting 3 pennyweigth that just got there for no reasons and a chunky nugget everyday (included in the 3 pennyweigth) everything more should be a bonus. Dont be affraid to venture away from the hot spots.

Like Montine say How to make a small fortune? You begin with a big one. You will love what you will be doing but I dont know If you are going to start looking in the reduced price food bin one day. Maybe try to go to a boom place in the states or like alberta save big money one year keep the savings.

By selling the gold on ebay at the computer center in Happy Camp you might be able to get a little over spot price, making it spot price after ebay fees. About 142.5$ per day no taxes on gold I been told.

Rosie at elk creek campground rent trailers with ac, heating tv electricity at 250$ a month. (call before anything)

RC on ebay might be cheap, I know It is now a bargin for me to cross border and import a truck from ebay.

I'm really looking forward to getting out of L.A.
That's what pushed the owner from coming up north.

Learn, watch, listen, help, READ THE BOOKS, WATCH THE VIDEO
Get your own dredge (hint google craigslist+dredge)

Pascal

  
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Re: Making a change and looking for a little help. ( 15:53:34 SatJul 5 2008 )

There are no guarantees in life... or gold mining for that matter. 3 dwy. a day? How many of you out there are even coming close to this? Be honest. I don't like to see people led astray.

  
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Re: Making a change and looking for a little help. ( 16:51:52 SatJul 5 2008 )

While three DWT per day is certainly possible, I highly doubt that we could say that it would be the minimum everywhere on the Klamath.

It always depends on these things; location (is there gold there)

The miners experience, (this is very important)

The miners work ethic; (does he lay around camp a lot and/or only work three days per week.

There will be a big difference in gold recovery between someone who only works his dredge an hour per day and one who works it 6-8 hours per day.



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Re: Making a change and looking for a little help. ( 18:04:42 SatJul 5 2008 )

Well at 3 dwts per day I would rather go work in my own field, or get a trade in a boom town. Or save big cash then try it one year, at the end of the year depending on yours findings leave it or keep it.


Because you never have garanties with gold. You will be looking all the time the coupon in the grocery market paper and the half price food near past due in the cold section. A stock pile of rammens noddle too.

Jim is right

Like I said before never leave your job, take a 2 months vacation, work when the sun hit the river and when it leave. Keep your black sand, In canada my black sand is worth 12.50$ per pound. Check my last posts You should (not a garantie) be able to paid yours repairs and your gas by collecting the rocks and those the others dredgers leave in theirs holes because they dont know theirs rocks.

Read Bean and bacon from a gold pan, that will show you all the incertitude of living from gold.

Last year 3 dwts were worth about 90$ well advertised. So you are also a slave of the market.

If you past 3 days setting your dredge (moving in moving out) punch a hole where everybody would punch their of course there is no gold.

At the end I may buy your dredge on the internet for cheap because you need gas money. Or you may even be buying a bigger dredge and selling the smaller one. Because you can now take a brand new one.

So you see what everyone is talking about.




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Re: Making a change and looking for a little help. ( 03:44:36 SunJul 6 2008 )

Jim I re-read my post and yes I cannot say the minimum everywhere on the Klamath. I dont want nobody coming oh its easy I am going to make about 150$ a day bla bla bla.

I still believe I would make 3 dwts, on the same claims I was, But that's me. Moving all day and sampling. A lot of days not making more than that.


Anyway everyone that ask for making a living advice is going to try it anyway. As long they have something in theirs bank account if they fail, why not try, get some adventure.


  
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Re: Making a change and looking for a little help. ( 04:23:28 SunJul 6 2008 )

That is a more realistic philosophy Pascal. I have had numerous inquiries lately asking about the feasability of making a living gold mining.

Most people who have never done it think that gold is everywhere, and it is, but not in paying quantities.

Thanks for your thoughts ont he subject Pascal. By the way, sre you coming to Happy Camp this year? I have had three people in thelast week ask me that question and I had to say I didn't know.



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Re: Making a change and looking for a little help. ( 01:17:39 MonJul 7 2008 )

Hey guys,

Thanks so much for all that information and I’ve been taking Pascal’s advice about reading as much as I can. I just slipped into the Alaska’s section of the 49’ers site and I’m sure I’ll have a few days of enjoyment out of that. I’ll also check out B&N for that “Crouching” Beans and “Hidden “Bacon book.
After thinking this through “although I’m known for impulsiveness” that’s how come I ended up with a 27ft boat “my first” dropped off to me at Lake Erie one Friday night. After a quick run though on how the boat works from the old owner and while I’m floating away with my new fiancé the old owner yells out “where’s your slip”. I of course yelled back as night was falling “What’s a slip “? Needles to say that was probably the start of our demise between Tiah and me. We spent the next 2 days stuck in that boat, no a/c, and headaches from the tequila, floating from dock to dock trying to find any available slips. It makes absolutely no since to me at all why marinas wouldn’t be open on the weekends but there not, or at least their office leasing dept. wasn’t open. Ha ha the lessons we learn along the way ah.
So this brings me to my next move in life and it’s Happy Camp!! And becoming a member of the 49’ers is a must for me. And with the optional plans available it’s even easer now. But I’m not wanting to show up at HC and be stuck with hand panning because I’m not equipped with a dredge, so I have decided to try to catch one of the last weekend outings with the 49’ers, so I can also survey what house I might end up moving into, and mean while with a little advice from you guys I can start looking for a dredge.

Using the experience from Jim, Pascal and other’s who have helped me with this transformation into a new way of life. I ask a simple but yet not simplistic question I’m sure, so what kind, and size, of Dredge would you guys get that’s going to be useful in the rivers around HC and big enough in size to optimize your time spent dredging? I read something the other day about a guy hooking up a hose into his wetsuit for warm water so he could stay down longer?? Now that’s what I’m talking about but add a “Hookah?” breathing apparatus to that and I’m never coming up! It looks like the three stage sluice is what’s going to capture the most gold but that’s about the extent off my knowledge. It seems like every dredge I read about is awesome some way or another so a little help in this matter would be great. I would just like to be able to get a nice set up that’s going to last me some time with out wanting to upsize in 2 months.
I’ve also heard about a guy you might be able to “Youtube” that builds add-ons to engines that makes them run on H2O. How sweet would that be guys next time you need to fill your tank you grab a cup of water out of the river!

I can already tell that the real gold in life is the freedom we have when serving each other.

Sincerely,
Covil


  
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Re: Making a change and looking for a little help. ( 05:00:07 MonJul 7 2008 )

You are going to get in over your head real quick, as this business has a mighty steep learning curve. New equipment, new dredger, and new territory are a receipe for a long, hungry season. Literally.

Take some advice and find someone with some experience to work with for at least one season. Lots of us old folk out there that need a strong back and someone to talk to about dredging. Might make your transition a whole lot easier.

  
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Re: Making a change and looking for a little help. ( 06:05:17 MonJul 7 2008 )

Boy you’re sure right about that, I took a few hours today checking out dredges and I came up with what I thought might tide me over or at least give me a good start. It’s that 6in twin 11 H.P. Honda H.D. Dredge. I was really thinking about starting with 8” but the freaken gas bill would break me ha. With the Honda 11 H.P. the gas consumption rate is only 0.07 hr. Vs the 8” with the Vanguard Eng @ 1.8 HR. And let’s say you’re turning 10 hr days that’s “if I’m correct” close to 20gls a day for the Vanguard vs under 1gl a day for the Honda, at our prices for get it. Now I might be off some how but that’s the way it looks to me. with those new dredges, not to mention the 11,700 tag.
I begin to compile a list of stuff I might need and, well it looks like I’m not finished yet.
I’m just trying to get the whole picture of what it takes and stuff needed to encumber such a launch then spend the next few months or so trying to piece the stuff together I figured I might end up with a pretty decent buy if I start scooping out what I need early. I’m just so unsure as to what I actually need vs what I might be paying to much for, or just don’t need all together.
Your suggestion about joining someone with experience for a period of time is by far the best move one can make. But I lack any experience in this field other then my eyes being glued to anything remotely resembling Prospecting. So I doubt anyone wants a trainee with out dredge working for them even if my schedule is completely open . But I wouldn’t have to clue on what’s required or what’s fair when joining an operation.

  
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Re: Making a change and looking for a little help. ( 14:49:07 MonJul 7 2008 )

.7 gal per hr is more like it NOT .07
I run a 6" Keene with JUST one 9hp honda with 4x3 pump it does just fine. rated at .5 gal per hr.

  
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Re: Making a change and looking for a little help. ( 15:37:45 MonJul 7 2008 )

I've been watching this thread and I think you are making a BIG MISTAKE jumping out there and buying a 6" dredge and all kinds of equipment and thinking you are going to make any sort of a living dredging WITHOUT ANY EXPERIENCE AT ALL!!

If you are looking for advice(and will follow it), then listen to the people that are saying to join a club, take a class, join a dredge crew, try panning(a must), try slucing and highbanking(just for the experience).

All of these things will help make you a good dredger.

  
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Re: Making a change and looking for a little help. ( 17:06:47 MonJul 7 2008 )

Hello and thank you for that input Lipcal. You are absolutely right in what you said and I welcome all advice.
The last thing I want to do is spend 15k for new stuff, show up at HC and say “teach me”. But I have to weigh it against showing up with nothing at all and asking for the same. By going to one of Dave McCracken classes with the 49’er club I’m sure that will help me solidify any choices I’m scratching out now for everything changes once you get in “knee deep”. Instead of that second engine I might be opting for a bucket to sit on, ha.

As I’m learning here I figured that the dredge crews were just friends of the owners sharing in the fun. I didn’t know the crews were hirable, kind of like that crab show; sort of speak. The last thing in this transformation I wanted was to be anyone’s burden except my own, hence showing up with enough equipment to be respectful so I’m not having to borrow other member tools.

I think what I’m feeling here is people like yourself trying to give warning and due concern about new-bees getting over there heads with either to great of expectations and or losing there shorts inside of 6 months. I’m happy to receive this input but like everyone we all have our different situations. Mine just happens to be giving me the coverage I need for a couple of years to try this endeavor.

Someone mentioned the correct gas consumption rate FPH was .7 for there Honda engine and not what I posted earlier at .07 FPH. I took another look at those specs again and it does say .07 FPH. I was really thinking that’s just to low and too big of a difference between engines. Always got to keep in mind what doesn’t sound right usually isn’t. Ha


  
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Re: Making a change and looking for a little help. ( 23:57:05 MonJul 7 2008 )

if you've never operated a dredge before and you plan on buying and running a 6!! that thing will bust your butt so quick. the people on the bank will be laughing at you for years to come. i bet you won't even be able to prime to pump. i know i bought i 2 and it busted my butt. i couldn't prime the pump untill i understood air in the suction line just doesn't work. what about your tailing pile? a 6 will kick a hell up a tailing pile quick. if your in quick deep water it's not to bad. i don't like fast water. i have no experince in fast deep water. i don't like the idea of drowning. seems like a unpleasant way to die. sound like your going to provide some good equipment for the used market. go for. xxxx the torpedos

  
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Re: Making a change and looking for a little help. ( 14:34:35 TueJul 8 2008 )

Here's my few cents worth , there are a few things you need , a wet suit , maybe a diving metal detector , then just plan a working vacation at Happy Camp , for at least 2-3 wks , and be open to 1-2 mths .
Mix with the people up there , find some one that could use some help that you can get along with .
There are so many different approaches , high banking , shallow water , deep water ect .
After you get around this its easier to make decisions on where best to spend money on equipment , as an example you find some one that you can work with , and they have a reasonably good spot , but may not have enough hands / money to process this spot , maybe they do not have a high banker and it would produce in this spot , you both are going to do better , same with any other equipment , if you go and buy an 8" dredge you may not find a big enough area to put it , make your decisions after you have the reasons to make them , buy what makes your operation the most productive for the time & money spent .
If you buy your limit on equipment and find a spot to put in a 8" , but then find you need to buy more gear to get it into that spot [ winches , ATVs ect ] now your not in bis and spent your wad .
I seen some that had a lot of experience ended snipping [ just maybe a wet suit , garden tools and just working what they could reach , everything would be in a 35lbs pack , and they did better than most in the area , with thousands of dollars of equipment .
So to put it up again , learning to prospect well is know what to bring to the spot , and each spot has different needs .
The biggest need is to just have a good life , and some adventures while trying to make that happen .

  
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Re: Making a change and looking for a little help. ( 16:00:01 TueJul 8 2008 )

i wasn't trying to make you mad!!! just playing the devils advocate. sammy

  
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Re: Making a change and looking for a little help. ( 21:51:08 ThuJul 10 2008 )

No, not at all I welcome any and all advice I can get.

Just had a loss in the family and have been switching gears for the last few days.
I talked to a nice lady named Rita in HC the other day about renting some property for I plan on relocating out there around October. I'm still looking for a little bigger place so if anyone knows of any properties for rent please forward me the information.

Oh, Sammy lol. No worries I shoot from the hip as well.

Thanks
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Re: Making a change and looking for a little help. ( 00:14:27 FriJul 11 2008 )

I don't know if you saw this or not?

http://bb.bbboy.net/thenew49ers-viewthread?forum=3&thread=423
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Re: Making a change and looking for a little help. ( 01:47:51 FriJul 11 2008 )

Yeah but they need to list some pictures I'm sure it might help sell it. I'll see if they can send me some doens't sound half bad. But I'm really kind of after a rental house, be nice if it had a barn on it or close to the water, or hell just a fence yard would be nice for a change compaired to L.A.

Thanks for looking out though :smile:

Oh yeah ..what's with this Bigfoot thing I'm reading all about? Don't tell me I'm moving into the lions den!

  
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Re: Making a change and looking for a little help. ( 02:31:19 FriJul 11 2008 )

zinks, like micropedes said earlier, best bet is to get with an experienced dredger to learn before you buy. I'm in HC right now as his helper/partner. I've never dredged before I came out here last week, but like you I watched and read up on everything I could before I came out here, but it doesn't even come close to preparing you for what it's really like out here. I'm certain there are still others looking for help for anywhere from a week through the entire season. Just make a separate post stating that you are available from X date-Y date and if someone is looking for a helper, they'll probably reply to your post.

  
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Re: Making a change and looking for a little help. ( 00:23:24 SatJul 12 2008 )

Heres the way I look at it, I have been playing in the rocks under water since the '70's, I have seen fat boys, skinnies boys, big boys, small boys, young & old boys and every one had the great idea of move a few rocks, pick up there gold and go home. Seen them on the river maybe two summers and never seen-um again. Three penny's a day is wrong thinking, you have four months to dredge, 3 penny's for one day you can dredge 6 pennies for the other 2 days you can't dredge, oh I can winter dredge cold water means dry suit $$$$, more pennies, move big rocks $$$$, more pennies. Who gets what you need every day to live, if your out of the water the pennies add up that are missing. Moving rocks is fun, go get 5 or 6 rocks about 6 inch's or so, get down on your hands and knees and throw them around for 5 to 6 hours, no problem at first three hours later the rate of movement has slowed but you still have 2 or more hours left. Dredging is over, now its clean up time to find your three pennies or what ever. Food is good, the fire is warm and to bed you go, next day back into the water, different rocks but they look the same. After a month of this it gets old and I mean old and boring as hell, if you have enough money to live for a year with out earning those 3 pennies a day, by all means do it, at the end of the season count your pennies and that my friend will tell you if you can hack it.





  
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Re: Making a change and looking for a little help. ( 02:13:31 SatJul 12 2008 )

Best of luck to you, and I hope you do great and enjoy every minute,........but in no particular order, here's some stuff you need to know.


You can't make a living at this. If you've got 20yrs experience, the absolute best equipment(and backups for your spares), and work exceedingly hard(and get real, real lucky,........over and over and over again), it's kinda like trying to make a living by playing the Lotto, but harder.

Not too much to choose from for living arrangements in/near HC. You're used to LA? This is a little different. There just isn't much available. Realize that 99.9% of the surrounding land is gov't. Only parcels of private land tend to cluster along the river and creeks with relatively large gaps in between. Get used to thinking in terms of 50 miles each way anytime you want something. 100+ miles each way when you NEED something. (that's why you need the best possible equipment and spares for your spares) You shut down for an entire day if you need to go get something.

Eureka(Yoo-reka)means,.........Hooray! I found it!!

Yreka(Why-reka)means,.........Darn! I need to go to Medford to get it!!

No reason not to go with a 4 or 5 inch dredge as a newbie. Those are small dredges. I would claim that anything under a 5" is more of a toy than a tool, but I know many people use them to good effect and I don't want to insult anyone. A four and under really doesn't belong near the river tho, IMHO. I think it's important to have a dredge large enough to climb up onto when you're working in the river, and I don't mean something just large enough to hold your weight,.....I mean something you can escape to.
I'd go with a 6" if'n you're serious. My first dredge was a 6" and I didn't even know how to swim when I built that. Outgrew it in one season and showed up the next year with a 10". That was a little much, I'll admit. Settled on an 8" and never looked back. 6" is a good one-man sized dredge and you can go dang near anywhere with it. River, creeks, no matter. When I got started the Club had designated recreational claims where 8" dredges weren't allowed, and even now the 6" keeps you under the Club's Commercial designation, which might be important to you.

10 hours a day, huh? When I was younger, healthier, and really gung-ho, I could dredge maybe 4hrs a day without killing myself, but I couldn't do that more than three days straight. Actual underwater pumping and rock slinging dredging. I'm not counting all the moving and fixing and cleaning up and everything else you have to do that doesn't pay. I used to dredge myself into a complete stupor where I didn't have the energy to stand up after sitting on a rattler. Just had to hope he was in a good mood that day. I seriously doubt I've ever dredged 20hrs in a week and I know I've worked HARD and not dredged 20hrs in a month! Lots of hard work needs to get done just so you CAN dredge!

Like others have said,..................team up with someone who knows what they're doing and learn all you can. First time I came out with all my gear and all my hopes,......................I'da never even gotten wet if it hadn't been for a kind old soul who took me in and kept me from killing myself the first couple of years. Like anything in life, there's an easy way to do things and a hard way. Newbies only know the hard way. I started out doing everything the impossible way.

Ain't no Bigfoot. That's tourist stuff. There are rattlers(a few)and scorpians, and lots of black widows some places, but they probably won't hurt you. The river will kill you right now if you give it a chance. Personally I think the biggest danger is that highway,.......just driving it. Especially at night. Especially when you're tired. ESPECIALLY when it's 40 degrees or below(those northern slopes freeze early and stay froze late.
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Re: Making a change and looking for a little help. ( 04:38:41 SatJul 12 2008 )

Well spoken, Kaveman. Like you, I once thought that I could dredge 5 days and then take off for the weekend. But I was hungry back then ...and a lot younger. Here lately, it seems like every other day is about right. 6-8 hours of rock tossing takes a heavy toll. If you aren't young and in really excellent physical condition, you will find your butt making excuses to stay outta the water rather than dredging.

But who knows. Maybe you'll be the one to strike it rich. Go for it. There is gonna be a pile of used equipment for sale at the end of this season.

  
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Re: Making a change and looking for a little help. ( 05:01:31 TueJul 15 2008 )

look at all this info. being sent to you,thats great.i recently went out and did this life changing path went out bought every tool,gloves dredge and more tools .i read everything i could get my hands on,got my permit headed for the hills!well lets just say ,if thier wasnt old timers up their to set me straight i would have left it all floating down the drink.well i should have had some guidance it would have made the whole thing much easier and less expensive.anyway i just jioned the 49ers im going to be thier for this weekends group training sat and sunday.i have a 4inch mini and im looking forward to the whole experience.oh,and im already looking at the 6 inch.anyway if your afraid of just showing up with out any equip.you help move my dredge around

  
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Re: Making a change and looking for a little help. ( 00:12:19 ThuJul 17 2008 )

I know it's been great seeing all the responses and very helpful.
My Grandmother just passed away the other day and because of this I'm sticking close to mother for a little bit or I would already be in HC helping someone I'm sure. Given the recent change in events she's looking forward to HC and we are looking at Oct or so to relocate out there. This will be a nice change from L.A. and will be good for the both of us.
So I've got a few things to consider here in the next four months, but what's for sure is that, I wouldn't mind giving prospecting a try. I'm just crossing my fingers that there's going to be a few people around to learn from :smile:
But thanks for the offer on this up and coming weekend trip of yours. I hope everyone stays safe up there right now, and good luck with the winds.

  
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Re: Making a change and looking for a little help. ( 17:43:12 TueJul 29 2008 )

Just a little advice, wait until you get to Happy Camp to pick up a dredge. There are dredges for sale around most every corner, and Rusty has more stuff than you can ever use.

Jeff

  
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Re: Making a change and looking for a little help. ( 04:18:18 WedJul 30 2008 )

I see you are thinking of re-locating out here in Oct. That is probably the last decent prospecting month until April. Usually around the second week of Nov. the rains start and by the end of the month we usually get some snow. Dec-Feb is real bad for most any serious prospecting as it is cold, wet and snowy most of the time. Dredging is almost out of the question during that time as the water is high, swift and so dirty you are lucky to see 6". If you have a trail bike it is a great time for exploring or prospecting old tailing piles.
There is almost no work in or around HC so if you need to make some income to tide you over till spring you need to bring it with you or you will need to travel at least 70 miles for work.

  

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