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Old_Koot
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I will no longer dredge for gold ( 22:53:17 TueJan 20 2009 )

It is with deep regret that I have decided to stop suction dredging for gold. With all of the pressure from the "environmentalists" and the Karuk tribe complaining of all of the harm we do to the rivers and fish, I have decided to make my dredge an River Improvement Unit (RIU) and to use it in a more ecological and environmental friendly way. From now on I will use my RIU to improve spawning beds for the salmon, increase dissolved oxygen levels in the river water, creating deep cool holes for migrating salmon to rest in (only temporary holes of course) and last but not least removing heavy metals like lead, mercury, iron and possibly some gold and platinum from the rivers. I am also going to make sure my camp sites and river banks are cleaner than when I found them. I love Mother Nature and the great outdoors and I hate to find a beautiful outdoor site that has been trashed by others. I hope others will step up and put the environment first. I will miss being a gold dredger but look forward to being an environmentalist. Iím sure I will still see many of you on the rivers, be sure to stop in and check out my operations. I if you feel you would like to join the RIU club just make a donation to the New 49erís Legal Defense Fund and you will be added to the list of people who care about the environment.

Peace on earth,
Old Koot
[5 edits; Last edit by Old_Koot at 04:35:51 Wed Jan 21 2009]

  
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Re: I will no longer dredge for gold ( 04:16:13 WedJan 21 2009 )

Now you're a radical I could get to like. Will go out in the back yard now and hug a tree in your honor.... but would that get me arrested for molestation? It is just a sapling afterall. I also will refuse to shop at any hardware store that sells whale meat or has their wares used to club baby harp seals. Keep up the good work.... I can see a wave of environmentalism forming. Will only use green colored trash bags to pick up litter left by our fishing and rafting brethren along the river banks.

  
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Re: I will no longer dredge for gold ( 04:42:06 WedJan 21 2009 )

Thanks for the support Dredger49er. I see great things in your future!

Old Koot

  
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Re: I will no longer dredge for gold ( 05:09:25 WedJan 21 2009 )

That was pretty brilliantly written. I would love it if a comment like that could be received and considered by our opponents. Wouldn't it be nice if we could cross sides and be looked at as environmentalists for the positive effects, although, I'm sure if that happened, our opponents would flip and say something like "We need to be harvesting as much gold as we can to afford to fight against CFC's and Loggers. I don't know.

  
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Re: I will no longer dredge for gold ( 15:20:21 WedJan 21 2009 )

Why thank you Skatchmo, you made my day! If you would have seen the first revision, I'm sure your comments would have been different. Until I am proved wrong, and I don't think that will ever happen, My dredge will be a River Improvement Unit. Everyone should go hug a tree.

Old Koot

  
Tobin1
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Re: I will no longer dredge for gold ( 16:30:10 ThuJan 22 2009 )

can I still keep the gold I find if I join??

  
Old_Koot
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Re: I will no longer dredge for gold ( 17:56:01 ThuJan 22 2009 )

Yes, you can keep the small gold. Any large nuggets should be sent to me.

Old Koot

  
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Re: I will no longer dredge for gold ( 23:59:53 MonJan 26 2009 )

That might work. Now lets talk about where we would do this dredging. I think we could practice on one of those brand new claims that are up for sale right now on the Kalamath River downriver for Happy Camp. From what I heard it has never been dredged before so there is probabaly is alot of lead in there!!!

  
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Re: I will no longer dredge for gold ( 05:08:06 TueJan 27 2009 )

The gov't has large grants available for RUI.

  
Old_Koot
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Re: I will no longer dredge for gold ( 02:15:00 WedJan 28 2009 )

I have been trying to find out how to apply for a government grant. All I can find are outfits that want to sell me the information. Does anyone out there know where to find that information?

Old Koot

  
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Re: I will no longer dredge for gold ( 17:24:58 WedJan 28 2009 )

There is an ongoing Federal grant out there through the Fisheries & Habitat Conservation entitled Fish Passage and is a voluntary program to increase and/or re-introduce fish species to their historic habitats. Minimum funds available are $1,000.00 up to and over $100,000.00. There is no match required (meaning the grant recipient does not have to match the amount of funds received), however, a 50% match is encouraged. This can come from any services and time donated. For instance, an individual donates his/her time to the process can be considered matching funds and, in some cases equipment supplied to the process can also go towards the matching funds.

Here is the link:
http://www.grants.gov/search/search.do;jsessionid=LtWBJ1VBvyk1qGq4Yn9MnHNpzP8y05qwv28nrhmSMkM3pdgNdwMx!510160981?oppId=2824&flag2006=true&mode=VIEW

This could be a possibility for funding :smile:

grants.gov is the place to go to search for funding. Also search your local and state governments for grant funding.

Think "outside the box" when researching grants....

Here is what would be needed to request funding:
1) A proposal outlining the project and what is to be accomplished, why it is needed, etc. (i.e. To increase the salmon population spawning beds within the Klamath River through reduction of impediments and removal of toxic metals or something to that effect).
2) An individual that is knowledgeable and has the understanding of scientific knowledge and fish habits - probably a fish biologist (if this individual donated his/her time, this could be utilized as part of match funding)
3) A method to track the the increase or decrease in fish with a baseline.
4) An individual to submit the required reports to the Fish Passage Program Coordinator.

Many grants are renewable or are allowed to be carried over several years.

Your proposal must be written as if it were the greatest idea/project to ever hit the planet...this will ensure you get funding....so you will need someone to write a really convincing grant proposal :smile:

Bottom line is you must demonstrate a need for the project, be able to realistically obtain results from the project and be able to accurately document the project. Additionally, whatever you ask for in your proposal you must utilize and, in many cases, cannot make any changes to your original proposal without first getting permission from the grant coordinator.

  
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Re: I will no longer dredge for gold ( 05:24:45 TueFeb 10 2009 )

If the NDNs around the U.K. truly have any real concern for "fish habitat," there is a HUGE grant available to them to improve the fishery: http://www.grants.gov/search/search.do;jsessionid=kpPKJRKGbT4jrgVvShjPC9gTZvvT8NDCjvt10pPrYzw1jL41Tzx6!-399269325?oppId=44567&flag2006=false&mode=VIEW

It's obvious to this Native American Indian, that they are just full of hatred and have nothing better to do with their time than to exploit the fishery...just like their cousins (Yurok) downriver did and lost most of their fishing rights because of tremendously detrimental environmental impacts upon the Klamath fishery. They completely closed off the mouth of the Klamath River with staggered gill nets, allowing 0.00% fish passage at the river's mouth and got most of their rights taken away and rightfully so!!!

Nothing "traditional or ethical" about this type of shameful behavior!
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Re: I will no longer dredge for gold ( 16:09:57 ThuFeb 12 2009 )

Fellow Mineral Estate Grantee,

Hal Anthony has been saying sense the start of his involvement in researching the mining issues (some four or so years back) we need to change our vocabulary on what we describe ourselves, what describes the tools we use and how they are used etc.

Do not let them conform to what the agencies would put upon us, i.e. Suction Dredger, Recreational Miner, Suction Gold Dredge etc.

Although this River Improvement Unit (RIU) of yours is not called a Vacuum Rummager (VR)or River Maintenance Unit (RMU) as are my machines, what I do in the water with them I would bet our machines work in a very similar fashion and for a very similar enviromental freindly purpose. :smile:

  
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Re: I will no longer dredge for gold ( 16:15:25 WedFeb 18 2009 )

Mineral Estate Grantee Ė It sounds like you are way ahead of me in regards to river maintenance. I know that what we do in the rivers with our equipment leaves them cleaner and healthier. Just like when your use a vacuum in your house to remove filth, a River Improvement Unit or River Maintenance Unit does basically the same thing. When some people hear the terms suction dredging or anything with the word mining in it, they assume we are destroying or raping the land. That happened in the early days when gold was discovered in California. Whole mountain sides were washed away to get to the gold and the rivers were very muddy because of this. The salmon survived this and still thrived. Every spring the rivers turn muddy because of the snow melt run off and the salmon survive this too. The amount of silt we stir up is not even a drop in the ocean when you compare it to the natural spring run off. The real reason the salmon numbers are declining is basically because of the warmer ocean temperatures. There all kinds of fish studies that anyone can access by using the internet and Google. I still will use my machine to improve the rivers and the salmon habitat and I will continue to be amazed by the beauty of our land.

Peace,
Old Koot

  
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Re: I will no longer dredge for gold ( 07:06:43 SunMay 3 2009 )

Yeah; I look at the beauty of our land too. Quite a lot as I adopted a 3+ mile stretch of Hwy 140 to de-litter year after year after year. Cleaned by a mining company...you're welcome.

  
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Re: I will no longer dredge for gold ( 21:54:08 TueMay 5 2009 )

in science of technology is there something which attracts mercury ? and if so could it be adapted to a dredge(mineral recovery system?)CJ

  
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Re: I will no longer dredge for gold ( 04:51:25 ThuMay 7 2009 )

Gold attracts mercury, so be sure to get some significant surface area of fine gold into your sluice, er...I mean RIU, early on to help maximize the retention of mercury and other unwanted heavy metal pollutants.

  
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Re: I will no longer dredge for gold ( 03:25:39 SatMay 9 2009 )

Real49er
ah ha ok! having a unit and being able to recover lots of gold is just a dream for me right now ...maybe someday I will have that experience come true ...til then gotta pay off some bills *I owe I owe and off to work I go ..CJ

  
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Re: I will no longer dredge for gold ( 23:57:53 SunAug 2 2009 )

I'm looking forward to doing some river cleanup starting on the 15th of August. I sure hope the governor will allow me the chance.

Peace,
Old Koot
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Re: I will no longer dredge for gold ( 05:22:06 WedAug 5 2009 )

Hey Kooter :smile: I hope you fired up to do some serious river improvement this year! I have not been on the river with you in two years too long. I've got a couple of pounds of lead and am looking for more. What do you say! Oh and somebody tell the governor that out of state-er's in our party are bringing a few thousand for local economies. Stop AB670!

  
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Re: I will no longer dredge for gold ( 02:00:16 SatAug 8 2009 )

I just heard the news about the ban on suction dredging in California. I never got a chance to use my $185 dredge permit. Until California can wake up and look at the facts and make logical decisions, all of my revenue (and many others I'm sure) will be going to other states.
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Re: I will no longer dredge for gold ( 03:39:28 SatAug 8 2009 )

The way I see it is I paid for a permit and until DFG issues a refund and the BLM sends out notices I'm still dredging. We paid good money for our claims and I expect a stipend for not being able to mine them next year.

  
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Re: I will no longer dredge for gold ( 01:48:19 SatSep 5 2009 )

Hey Mark - I sure wish we could have hooked up this year. I hope you did well with your adventure. We had a good time and saw some beautiful country. We even got onto some gold! I highly recommend Idaho.

Old Koot

  

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