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Fighting for Mining rights-economic realties ( 05:29:27 TueMar 24 2009 )

Something that has me steaming is that all the anti-mining crowd keep classifing miners as 3,000 lowlife dredgers in California. I think we need ammo and need to quantify who earns a living from mining, how many familys are feed and how much money is produced (economic value). I have thought of these for starters and with some work and input from others we could come up with actual figures. I'm sure it would be in the hundreds of millions. Also tens of thousands of people/familys who rely on the industry for money. All of this from small scale mining. If you add the commercial interest $$$$$$$$$$$. And this is just California. Could you imagine the numbers nation wide. This is the best time to use econmic value in the fight.

1. 3,000 dredge permits X $180.00 = ?
2. How many mining equip shops x gross yr income ? # of employes? state taxes generated?
3. 50,000-100,000 claims at a value of $2K-100K ea =
4. How many mining equip manufactures x gross yr income? # of employees. State taxes generated?
5. Property taxes on mining claims $20.00-200.00 per year
6. each miner 2-20 oz per year $950.00 per oz x # miners=?
7. revenue of grocery and supplies how many stores, resturants, gas stations hotels campgrounds/rv parks. income from operations. How many employees? State taxes generated?
8. Mining claim sales companies? Annual revenue? # empolyees
9. Mining clubs income, members, properties $$$ spent

I am sure there is many I have missed. And figures that will be huge. I can't think of a better approach than to come up with actual figures. Need to show in $$$$ who miners are. Get rid of the 3,000 broke D#$@ miner classification the oposition uses.

  
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Re: Fighting for Mining rights-economic realties ( 05:47:08 TueMar 24 2009 )

There use to be a report referred to as The Siskiyou County Report that stated all these things about the small scale miner in Siskiyou County. It was up and up and examined all the different aspects and their cause and affect.

The final break down was that mining did not harm the rivers so long as current regs were followed, no fish were harmed, no habitat was harmed and that there was a small benefit to fish over all as a result of mining. The kicker was that it brought in roughly something just under one million dollars a year (back then) to the county in sales tax, mining claim tax etc. Havenít seen it in a while so just pulling it up from the dead brain cells. Anyone seen it lately or have an old copy? Maybe we could have it up dated?

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Re: Fighting for Mining rights-economic realties ( 14:27:51 TueMar 24 2009 )

Good idea tslick, now we just need someone to gather that info.

Ratled, If the county once had such information, I will ask my contacts there to try to resurrect it.

Thanks for the information guys.



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Re: Fighting for Mining rights-economic realties ( 15:02:31 TueMar 24 2009 )

Amazing !!! Someone using their head instead of shooting off their mouth.
That has some very sound advice and is actually workable, Consider this.
One , or a group, may apply and qualify for a research grant, from the "Stymulus Package" and go on the economics effects of rural california's economy from the possible loss of the mining, and other users of the river. Also the physical impact on government incomes from taxes and permits as he stated. Time is essential and this can't be battered around. It needs a go getter to get on it and to hell with the nay sayers.
Some of you that are unemployed may want to consider this. Matching funds are a major factor in getting the money. Your previously purchased computer, your vehicle to get around in etc. can be considered for matching funds.



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Re: Fighting for Mining rights-economic realties ( 16:33:23 TueMar 24 2009 )

Now if I could use that to get back out there to do the study for the 1st year , then stay for the following yrs. & go back to mining .
Even if doing the study made good money , I would not want to keep an office job too long .

  
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Re: Fighting for Mining rights-economic realties ( 19:10:40 TueMar 24 2009 )

one item I had and forgot to include. Let's say there are 100,000 claims in California. How about the annual BLM maintanance fee of $125.00.

100,000
X 125.00
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12,500,000.00

I'm sure there is a way to see how many claims are in California. If you use the whole state of California and not just Siskiyou County. The items in the original post and others that we can think of I am sure that the econimic value of small scale mining in California is massive. Maybe elected officials can be enlightened by showing these numbers.

  

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