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Battle cry for freedom? ( 02:56:16 TueNov 15 2011 )

I just received a very compelling letter from a member asking why we don't organize an "Occupy The River" campaign with suction dredges, similar to the way the "occupy Wall Street" movement is happening in cities across America. Others have also suggested that we stage similar events.

Last winter, a local miner attempted an event on the upper Klamath and it fizzled for lack of participation.

Since this subject keeps coming up, and because all of us in America continue to lose confidence in government solutions to the nation's problems, I decided to publish my answer to the suggestion right here:


Thanks for your letter of encouragement, Judy. I fully appreciate your suggestion about occupying the river. Others have also suggested this solution.

In my thinking, the time is not yet quite ripe. There are a lot of things happening which are bringing things to a head. Here are some resent articles that we posted on our Internet forum just last week:

http://www.redding.com/news/2011/nov/05/lopey-siskiyou-klamath-scott-shasta/?partner=popular

http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2011/11/new-mexico-law-and-local-sheriff-trump-the-feds/

http://www.newswithviews.com/Clausen/barry104.htm

This kind of stuff is playing out all across America (and the world).

America's budget crises cannot be resolved. But the partisan battles over the proposed options are also going to bring things to a head. Just watch the blame game over the coming weeks and months!

People are fast-losing confidence in government. I see a time ahead when people are going to have to just take matters back in our own hands in order to survive. It would seem the time is coming soon. But somehow these things always play out slowly. My guess is that there will some kind of trigger that sets it all off at once, all across the country.

That will be the time to occupy the rivers. Not just for a day. We will all just go back to work.

Government authority requires consent from most of the people. When most of the people lose confidence, the authority dissolves (unless the "authorities" roll in the tanks and gun ships) and local officials fear for their own safety.

The difference between America and the Arab Spring is that most Americans are armed.

My opinion is that the pendulum has now swung to the left so far that there will be dire consequences to pay. We have a very painful chapter just ahead. We can watch Europe, since they are just ahead of us on the curve (except that their citizens also are not armed). Depending upon events, America could overtake Europe's economic decline.

I am guessing the pendulum will swing wildly back in our direction, perhaps a sort of anarchy where the public loses all confidence in government (as we have).

I personally don't want to go out and get a bunch of people arrested. That is certainly what will happen if we go out there with our dredges.

While I might be able to get a bunch of people out there, only a few would be willing to make it their last stand. Most would be easily ushered off by the authorities. That's because our people are more in the tea party category, nonviolent by nature, looking for reasonable solutions.

It has not yet turned into a shooting war.

And my guess is that the bigger problems will probably come to a head (perhaps allowing us to dredge unhindered by government) before our criminal cases would even be resolved in court.

But this is just my take. I am often wrong about such things. So if someone else were to organize such an event, they certainly would not hear any opposition from me, though it would need to be in a location that would not undermine our existing Agreements with government that are still allowing our (thousands) members some access to mining. My primary duty to our members is to keep it going.

Meanwhile, I am waiting it out for the right timing. When it comes, you will hear me yell out the battle cry for freedom loud and clear!

Thanks very much for your support and friendship. It means a lot in these troubled times.

Best wishes,

Dave Mack

  
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Re: Battle cry for freedom? ( 03:44:01 TueNov 15 2011 )

im all in on the participation.and your right abought any kinda timing.most people willnot partake because they have somthing too loose by doing so.but when you have nothing to loose you will fight and regret that you didnt start fighting sooner.it looks like im going to loose my house because of lack of work.no one wants to spend money on any remodling which is what i do.im going to go dredging illegally in wash and try to cope with the winter weather.

  
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Re: Battle cry for freedom? ( 05:19:03 TueNov 15 2011 )

This came from the first link.

'Blatantly obvious' where Lopey stands

Erica Terence, conservation and executive director of Orleans-based Klamath Riverkeeper, said fish are protected under laws and constitutional statutes, something she thinks Lopey and his fellow sheriffs choose to forget.

She said that while no one wants to see the farmers lose their livelihoods, others' livelihoods also are at stake in the fight over coho, including commercial and recreational fishermen and the tribes who harvest the salmon that come down the Klamath from the Scott and Shasta river.The bottom line is everybody's got to follow some rules, including in Siskiyou County," Terence said.
Lopey's politically charged speech follows a pattern of intimidation toward people who don't share the county leaders' point of view, seeming to "elevate the rights of some people over the rights of others," she said.

"That doesn't seem American to me," Terence said.

I love how she says the tribes "harvest the salmon that come DOWN the river"! I was under the impression the tribal gill nets were used on fish swimming upstream to SPAWN. "Elevate the rights of some people over the rights of others"; What would happen if you or I strung gill nets across the river?

Blackjeep

  
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Re: Battle cry for freedom? ( 17:13:27 WedNov 16 2011 )

Moderator Sir,

Meanwhile, I am waiting it out for the right timing. When it comes, you will hear me yell out the battle cry for freedom loud and clear!........Dave Mack

I support this concept much more than is fashionable. I do tend to get fired up about freedom.

My deleted post repeated Dave's message by my own wording. That's fine, I am a guest on your forum and you not I am in the tough position of editor.

However, my posts have been deleted before. Each time because I strongly overstated the obvious. I believe in pointing out the root causes of the anti-gold prospecting politics that are running rampant. My choice of words are a product of my own environment, long time Jefferson land owner and full time resident.

I am certain many folks here understand me.




























  
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Re: Battle cry for freedom? ( 18:00:04 WedNov 16 2011 )

Hey: Dave
Call out when ready and I'll come down and join you
with my dredge, and I will stay as long as needed. Too
much government, and too many regulations that are not
legal.
Bob

  
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Re: Battle cry for freedom? ( 03:02:15 FriNov 18 2011 )

Some of you know me, and some of you do not; Dave knows me, as I am a member who spent much of last season helping out in the office because I chose to try to fight California's illegal "laws" through the system. It did not work. I left for NY (home then) after buying an old Keene 5" triple-sluice to fix up for next season in Oregon.

Things change... Girlfriend and I called it quits, so I packed up and headed back west. The events and circumstances of this era in time have convinced me that this is the best place to be in the next few months or years. This is an area where men (and women) are willing to stand up for what is right, and to fight for their rights. And that is the way I am built, also. So I'm here for the duration, I guess.

Dave is absolutely right -- things are coming to a head; unfortunately, I don't see the current "Occupy" movement as being the "trigger" for anything. Most of these young people don't have the sense to pour p**s out of a boot (they couldn't even find City Hall in NYC -- they "occupied" the City Schools building instead before one protester recognized they weren't in City Hall) and don't really know what they are protesting or what their ultimate goal is. In short, most of the "Occupy" protesters are simply "useful idiots" for the leaders of the protest -- whom I am not convinced are really all that committed to Democracy.

This "movement" is constantly in the news -- however, my concern is for what ISN'T making news. I wonder if the whole deal is simply being allowed -- and even encouraged -- to happen as a smoke screen to divert the attention of the American people away from something else. And that is something our Federal "government" is very good at doing.

Something is going on... I don't know for sure what it is, but I am absolutely sure that it isn't good for America or the American People.



  
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Re: Battle cry for freedom? ( 05:53:56 FriNov 18 2011 )

Sorry for not sending you a private message, Rod.

Yes; I know you are a true patriot and your heart is in the right place.

For now, lets please just watch our words so we don't start sounding like the Occupy Wall Street gangs who are threatening to burn New York to the ground today or tomorrow. (We should all be watching to see how far this is going to go, by the way)

There is a time and a place for everything. That was the message I was trying to put across.

We have not reached a critical tipping point where I personally want to organize activity that would be considered criminal by the authorities who clearly rule the day. That includes the use of any forum which is tied to my name or business activity.

I believe we are on the same side, just using different words and emotions (and timing) to express our thoughts.

Peace, brother!!

  
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Re: Battle cry for freedom? ( 17:01:27 FriNov 18 2011 )

Thanks Dave,

No harm, no foul.

I'm still in the fight for our America.

  
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Re: Battle cry for freedom? ( 03:21:29 MonNov 21 2011 )

SPECIAL REPORT: County Sheriffs Push Back Against Feds
http://rtr.org/videos/2/34806/special-report-county-sheriffs

  
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Re: Battle cry for freedom? ( 06:15:24 MonNov 21 2011 )

With all the doom and Gloom talk above this is sure worth reading. And you thought you were safe in your home!
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/no-right-to-resist-unlawful-police-entry/

  
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Re: Battle cry for freedom? ( 04:28:47 TueNov 22 2011 )

" a right to resist an unlawful police entry into a home is against PUBLIC POLICY and is incompatible with MODERN FOURTH AMENDMENT JURISPRUDENCE, David said."

PUBLIC POLICY and MODERN FOURTH AMENDMENT JURISPRUDENCE???

All over the country legislators, judges, politicians are doing this sort of stuff in direct violation of their oaths of office to protect and uphold the Constitution of the U.S. Disgusting!

  
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Re: Battle cry for freedom? ( 06:30:49 WedNov 23 2011 )

Please don't think I'm trying to make light of any of this, but here is a cartoon from 1948 that does a pretty good job of showing what we are up against, only now the Snake Oil Salesman is in fact a bunch of unelected bureaucrats from a whole slew of alphabet agencies, doing just what the cartoon suggests, by making us slaves to the Nanny State!

Have a look and see if you don't agree:

http://youtu.be/mVh75ylAUXY

Pretty prescient for 1948, don't you think?!?!

  
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Re: Battle cry for freedom? ( 09:36:03 WedNov 23 2011 )

I've always placed my trust in Dave's training and his words. On the river he's the best man to have as your backup, I know because he pulled me from the rapids once.

So I'll join him and wait for the right moment because I see the same here where people are getting fed up with road closures and being stopped for checks.

  
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Re: Battle cry for freedom? ( 23:26:34 ThuNov 24 2011 )

What worries me is while watching CNN the other day, our pres stated that he wants to deploy 20,000 troops inside the U.S. borders. No details were given. Why would we need this deployment? Are they gearing up for an assault on Americans who are protesting or occupying?

I agree with Dave Mac, things will soon come to a head. Put out the call Dave and I'll be there to occupy the river with you.

  
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Re: Battle cry for freedom? ( 19:23:23 SatNov 26 2011 )

from the information ive been gathering on the ocupy wallstreet movement.its been said that they are barking up the wrong tree.that they really need to camp out in front of our legilatures and senaters goverment offices.this would gain the attention of who can make chainges.to disrupt thier life with are grevinses would be more efective than barking at the wrong tree.so maybe the river is not the best place to exsprees our grevinces.everyones time is valuble and should be spent wisly.

  
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Re: Battle cry for freedom? ( 03:37:32 SunNov 27 2011 )

@ real49er...Wow this sentence made the hair on my neck stand up...

(@ 8:28)"...when anybody preaches dis-unity, tries to pit one of us against the other, through class warfare, race hatred or religious intolerance you know that person seeks to rob us of our freedom and destroy our very lives."

OMG does anyone else see this happening before our very eyes?

  
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Re: Battle cry for freedom? ( 05:46:43 SunNov 27 2011 )

AGAIN You are right Tom. I have been watching and preaching against the actions of the communist/ environmentals for over 30 years now, and yes the O'bummer is cranking up the attack through the demo-socialists in the nationwide sit-ins and demonstrations.
"FULL CAMPAIGN MODE---AND CAN'T DO A THING "GOOD" FOR THIS REPUBLIC"!!!!!
Beamamker

  
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Re: Battle cry for freedom? ( 18:21:01 SunNov 27 2011 )

Beam...
What are we going to do about it? When it seems that even the Sacred Trust in the voting booth has been violated thru fraud, what recourse then?

  
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Re: Battle cry for freedom? ( 18:39:52 SunNov 27 2011 )

the gears of the one world goverment have been working since the creation of the united nations.any country that belongs to this corupt underming organisation is in cahoots with the one world goverment movement.leaders in this group are getting rich to finance there one world power tripping selves.there doing this through side lines like globle warming,ect.like ben franklin said,"WE MUST ALL HANG TOGETHER OR WE WILL SHURLLY HANG SEPRATLY"

  
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S.1867: Just another brick in the police state wall ( 16:17:02 WedNov 30 2011 )


  
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Re: S.1867: Just another brick in the police state wall ( 17:00:31 WedNov 30 2011 )

Tom: This S.1867, with the amendment from S1254 changed to its current wording, screws every American citizen completely. I am not sure what is the best course for now.
I am hiding in plain sight and the recent talks of the military being used over us by the communist president O'bummer should scare the s**t out of each of us. We on this forum are probably prime targets. I will still defend my Republic and the ORIGINAL CONSTITUTION to my death. I am not sure how deep in the outback of America we will have to fall back to----before the right time is at hand.
Hope to meet you in person someday and dig some dirt together. Beammaker

  
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Re: S.1867: Just another brick in the police state wall ( 05:21:15 SatDec 3 2011 )

"I am not sure how deep in the outback of America we will have to fall back to----before the right time is at hand."

Ruby Ridge-- We cannot hide or keep our heads in the sand...

I was reading the Constitution and our Declaration of Independence yesterday and came upon this particular grievance of King George...
"He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation."

But Obummer is not the first pres. to try and usurp our Constitution with the help of the UN!

  
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Re: S.1867: Just another brick in the police state wall ( 18:43:00 SatDec 3 2011 )

Tom: I watched this movie last night. "Esoteric Agenda"
It is 2 hours long. I personally set aside the religious aspect of the film, and paid attention to the rest. You should be able to bring it up as a .com. The plans have been in place since before this country became a country I guess. Your choice. Beammaker.

  
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Re: S.1867: Just another brick in the police state wall ( 02:15:17 SunDec 4 2011 )

Thanks...I'll check it out.

  

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